John972

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I don’t even want to delve into what they consider milking: Dev moves to another apartment - it's milking, an overly optimistic estimate published - it's milking, hardware problems - this is still good old milking.
You forgot to add the single, overarching one: AVN Dev breathes - it's milking.

I can think of another AVN on F95 where the dev has had Patreon charging paused for well over a year, while working on an update. You guessed it! They're still accused of milking.
 

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The Most interesting thing this is. Buy an Windows USB-Stick. Every fucking Windows User do that that themself. HDD or SSD is always a part ya should atleast 2-3 new drives at home for the possible failure and as Dev this thing is a Have Must. :ROFLMAO:

I always have a really good laugh when Dev's post there problems. :ROFLMAO:
 

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The Most interesting thing this is. Buy an Windows USB-Stick. Every fucking Windows User do that that themself. HDD or SSD is always a part ya should atleast 2-3 new drives at home for the possible failure and as Dev this thing is a Have Must. :ROFLMAO:

I always have a really good laugh when Dev's post there problems. :ROFLMAO:
Too bad he didn't wait until after World Backup Day for this to happen (apparently this is a real thing):



World Backup Day — March 31st.png
 

Krytax123

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would you say Ocean's games are better than say TES V (skyrim)?
i bought that game for $29.00, then i bought more copies for my daughter, my wife and a friend. that is less than 3 months of Oceans top supporter tier for an unfinished product going on how many years.... so it was likely a better investment than his supporters... but to each his own. I would probably toss him cash [there are maybe 5 devs i would do so] if i Could actually spare it.
i do see your point, i believe we are both correct in this regard, he makes a good product, and is incentivized to not be fast.

heck i know for a fact my son supported several devs when he moved out of my house a few years ago to get married, he forgot to cancel about $150.00/month of them and really felt it a couple months later when he was 100% responsible for himself monetarily. it was a funny facepalm for us both [i recognized one of the names he let slip, luckily he couldn't see my face].

i actually think Ocean's biggest problem isn't work ethic, its perfectionism, or he wouldn't stop a few sessions in to redo them the chapters, he would just keep going and make the next game 'cleaner' etc. but he sees his 'art' and .... his artist' eye starts screaming at him...

Mila is a perfect example, while some will say she is amazeballs gorgeous now, no one said she was just OK before.
and i noted that Ocean doesn't really go for the static Daz shots with groups either.
so Lucky Us... and ... darn.
i hope he is able to get the hardware that he needs; and the hardware he wants, ASAP. View attachment 3482542

we deserve it
It seems like you just dont understand patreon, you're not buying a game there, youre supporting a dev/project. Its based on the idea that you want to help the dev to finish/continue his project because you like it. Its pretty simple.

If someone supports with 150/month on patreon while not being able to afford it, there isnt patreon to blame, its just the person to blame whos either unresponsible with money or dense, but im pretty sure the person would waste their money for other stuff anyway in this case lmao

I think youre right about the perfectionism part but i dont consider it a problem, SG wouldnt have the quality is has if he wouldnt be like that and there really are enough devs who produce half-hearted garbage all the time.
 

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If she isn't one of the main ones (if not "The" main one) I wouldn't want her on the cover art. People would be too focused on her (since she's on the cover) thinking she's mega important but in reality, she's just a side piece for a quickie.
She's one of the main LIs, so arguably just as important as all the others.

Nami, Bella "Devs fav" or whoever else that is important (summer?) should be on the cover.
Well she's the second favourite if that counts? Just because Nami and Bella got more screen time does not automatically make them more entitled to be the face of Summer's Gone.

Hell, all 3/4 whatever with different faces on each of them with a line splitting them in the game cover so they all have a piece.
So something like the gallery art? Sure, if your goal is to display all the characters' faces. But this isn't a hollywood movie, and Ocean isn't forced to make those kind of posters, so I don't think he will (Might be a bit of a personal opinion, but those type of banners suck ass and lack in creativity and artistic vision).

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Although an argument could be made that since the first season focuses more on their storylines, that they should be present in the S1 cover. But I don't think that should be the primary goal when creating a game poster - I mean Tracer is considered the face of Overwatch and she's not incredibly relevant in the game lore-wise.

Personally I really liked the Sasha one. Pretty disappointed it was shot down in favour of someone's lips.
 
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Me personally, I'm just wondering that if he was an hour away from sending the finished build to Steam, why he didn't release it on the Patreon to begin with. The Full can't be a Steam-only release.
 

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I think he wants to release it first on Steam and some days later on Patreon.
I don't know if there will also be any conditions set by Steam, as well as the condition that the price on Steam is the lowest price offered by the developer.
Never mind what I said, I just remembered that other devs release the patreon version and then go to Steam.
 
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Kakasan

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He's sure to launch it first on Steam, if he launches it first on Patreon, the guys will leak it in 15 minutes and they won't buy it on Steam
 
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But the real question is, if he was an hour away from uploading to steam can we expect the update by the end of the week ?
 

imzahai

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It seems like you just dont understand patreon, you're not buying a game there, youre supporting a dev/project. Its based on the idea that you want to help the dev to finish/continue his project because you like it. Its pretty simple.

If someone supports with 150/month on patreon while not being able to afford it, there isnt patreon to blame, its just the person to blame whos either unresponsible with money or dense, but im pretty sure the person would waste their money for other stuff anyway in this case lmao

I think youre right about the perfectionism part but i dont consider it a problem, SG wouldnt have the quality is has if he wouldnt be like that and there really are enough devs who produce half-hearted garbage all the time.
actually my comment, "... so it was likely a better investment than his supporters. ..."
shows you have reading comprehension issues rather than i have patreon concept comprehension issues.
but its no biggie as i said, the business plan via patreon doesn't encourage them to be prompt, like a normal production business would [of any kind].
and i agree about Ocean's quality especially when compared to a lot of the other offerings here.
 

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This game is pretty incredible. Honestly, it should be a crime to make such an abundance of gorgeous lovable characters and stick them all into one game that doesn't seem to have a harem path. This does, however, lead to one of the game's biggest issues, which is simply that I can't actually tell which characters are and aren't full LIs other than the handful of characters from the beginning that have demarcated paths and/or stats in the mod. Like, Robin, Nia, and Zara, are they LIs, or are they just prominent side characters? I can only assume that Sasha and Sonya are since I've seen them marketed pretty heavily, even though they both have very little content.

There's some weird continuity stuff with the classroom change which I don't think quite makes sense and also Nia's backstory. Nami says that she saw Nia fucking some guy on her stream, but Nia acts as though she's never done something like that, saying things like "girls who are lucky enough to have guys to do this with" and that she doesn't bring guys to her place because they only see her as a trophy. It's not necessarily inconsistent, but it does seem incongruent with how Nia is written during the scene at her place, although I suppose she could've just been lying/omitting certain details, but I don't think that would really fit either.

As a personal aside, I really hope that Bella is a virgin, she keeps teasing the MC about it, but with the way she's withdrawn from pretty much everyone other than her close female friends, it wouldn't make any sense for her to have hooked up with some rando, or even to have had a boyfriend.

I'm also holding out hope, perhaps futilely, that the Nami Bi-sexual variable is a gateway to some kind of multi-LI ending.
 

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This game is pretty incredible. Honestly, it should be a crime to make such an abundance of gorgeous lovable characters and stick them all into one game that doesn't seem to have a harem path. This does, however, lead to one of the game's biggest issues, which is simply that I can't actually tell which characters are and aren't full LIs other than the handful of characters from the beginning that have demarcated paths and/or stats in the mod. Like, Robin, Nia, and Zara, are they LIs, or are they just prominent side characters? I can only assume that Sasha and Sonya are since I've seen them marketed pretty heavily, even though they both have very little content.

There's some weird continuity stuff with the classroom change which I don't think quite makes sense and also Nia's backstory. Nami says that she saw Nia fucking some guy on her stream, but Nia acts as though she's never done something like that, saying things like "girls who are lucky enough to have guys to do this with" and that she doesn't bring guys to her place because they only see her as a trophy. It's not necessarily inconsistent, but it does seem incongruent with how Nia is written during the scene at her place, although I suppose she could've just been lying/omitting certain details, but I don't think that would really fit either.

As a personal aside, I really hope that Bella is a virgin, she keeps teasing the MC about it, but with the way she's withdrawn from pretty much everyone other than her close female friends, it wouldn't make any sense for her to have hooked up with some rando, or even to have had a boyfriend.

I'm also holding out hope, perhaps futilely, that the Nami Bi-sexual variable is a gateway to some kind of multi-LI ending.
He rewrote the shit out of the story and made it not as ntr stupid as he planned. As an example, Where It All Began had heavy ntr content that was simply stupid and badly written. Now, the rewritten story is more well grounded, and I frankly do not see any of the previous shit he did. Even the present ntr content is no more than a tease than you really have to look for.
Now, from what we can see in Summer's Gone. Its heavily hinted that Nia is a virgin, but it's not important that she is a virgin per se, but given past information that we can infer that she is, so it makes sense that she is a virgin given past trauma and profession. In case of Bella is kind of 50/50 where it makes sense that she is given the information we were provided, where she does not form any kind of emotional connection and is way to cagey. Could she have had sex on a one-night stand? I guess she can and is perfectly valid, but Dev would only do that to piss people off, to be honest, as the background provided can make Bella a virgin easily, and given the community stances on this subject, he gains more than he loses. Still, it's a pretty minor subject, and 90% of the community will quickly brush it off.
 
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He rewrote the shit out of the story and made it not as ntr stupid as he planned. As an example, Where It All Began had heavy ntr content that was simply stupid and badly written. Now, the rewritten story is more well grounded, and I frankly do not see any of the previous shit he did. Even the present ntr content is no more than a tease than you really have to look for.
Now, from what we can see in Summer's Gone. Its heavily hinted that Nia is a virgin, but it's not important that she is a virgin per se, but given past information that we can infer that she is, so it makes sense that she is a virgin given past trauma and profession. In case of Bella is kind of 50/50 where it makes sense that she is given the information we were provided, where she does not form any kind of emotional connection and is way to cagey. Could she have had sex on a one-night stand? I guess she can and is perfectly valid, but Dev would only do that to piss people off, to be honest, as the background provided can make Bella a virgin easily, and given the community stances on this subject, he gains more than he loses. Still, it's a pretty minor subject, and 90% of the community will quickly brush it off.
Personally, only Nami or Summer (if she is reintroduced as a LI) not being virgins would ruin the game for me. Bella would be super disappointing, and it would lower her on my personal tier list, but it wouldn't kill the game for me. I think Nia is just kind of confusing because not everything is reworked yet, but yeah, it would also be disappointing if she weren't a virgin, although I didn't even expect her to be until I finally got to her place.
 
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