VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[Dark479]

Spoiler: My thoughts

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I'm pretty miffed!

I felt like the way this update was handled was less than ideal. The way 0.996 ended looked like multiple party members were on the verge of a potential evolution so I expected at least one to evolve. But that didn't happen...instead everyone was just teleported in a dungeon.

And while I don't mind Alice getting a chance to shine I don't like that the MC did literally nothing all update. I thought when he visited the arena on his own he could at least do some training there but no. Then the event at the brothel is a dead end so he can't do that either.

And Alice not only becoming a monster but wanting to literally eat flesh from the MC downgraded her from one of the most likable LIs to basically the bottom of the list rn. The emo goodbye might have had some impact if not for that.

I also hated how we got literally nothing about Michael...presumably he's still alive, somehow. But still, we should have seen something of him. But I would not be surprised if he monsterfied as well...I don't think him evolving to level 3 would be enough to survive up there...he'd have to be at least an A class monster.

I did like how the story of Aos and Danu was handled though, that was excellent.

 

[BenoTF25]

Actually instead of being the source of his power I was instead thinking that the souls within him would act as a way of keeping him from becoming an avatar of the Second ( yes I believe Malik ( or atleast the creatue that got him turned ) is a spawn of Second ).

The Eye did say Malik was : '' Completed, but kept whole by faith ''.
''Completed'' in this context likely means Malik is far enough evolved to become an avatar of his Apostle, but ''kept whole by faith'' could be that his consciousness and that of those who died for his sake are keeping him from ascending, like an anchor.

Hell maybe that's the reason they were sacrificed in the first place, to keep Malik, a level 5 perfect superhuman from becoming an avatar.
Ofc my theory has some holes, I mean the rituals for becoming an avatar need to consensual, but maybe the Second is powerful enough to force his spawn into submitting, so that's why Malik, Xanthe, or someone else performed a sacrifice on Malik, to keep that from happening, who knows

That actually make your theory sound even better, not much of a fan of Malik being a potential Chosen, but being keep grounded by the souls of his comrades?, that's good angst.

Besides, you were actually right about Malik's monster, on today's stream, WeirdWorld give away his and Bernhardt's monsters genetic makeup.

According to WeirdWorld, both their monsters are related.

Malik's is 'Fantasy, Truth and Power'
Bernhardt's is 'Fantasy, Truth and Ether'

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

I'm sure I'm not the only one that is drawing this conclusion after their origins were revealed. They both so happen to overlap with Henri speculated powers. In the Truth and Fantasy parts.

As I'm typing this, it's a bit hard to hold back so I'll just say the thought that came to mind. Henri is the river while Malik and Bernhardt are the streams. They all flow towards and connect to the ocean (Not referring to the Great Ocean). At least that's my assumption after receiving this information. Essentially, they all have a portion of Paradox power. The three of them possibly hosting portions of the unborn Origin itself allowed such a path to open.

Now obviously it's anyone's guess of which facet is split among the three. It could be all of it or just portions of it. But that's likely why the Origin doesn't awake in Henri. Because it's split between all 3 of them and through their three way connection, they got much more out of their evolutions and powers. Along with their already perfect prowess as superhumans.

Which, assuming the above is true, would explain why no one could possibly reach their levels. Even if they were the perfect superhuman like them. Because it's really the perfect storm of opportunities. And that's not the only thought that came to mind from this lore drop. But I'll wait until the public release so I can check a few things.

Though I'll just say that obviously it's speculation. And while I don't think WW lied about their origin. There's a chance that this isn't the conclusion to be drawn from it.

Malik and Bernhardt's monsters being brothers feels important, too, though I can't quite piece the thought together. Something about it being reminiscent of the twin bond that the Moon twins have. That's supposed to require both the humans and the monsters to be twins, so they can't have that. But maybe the genetic similarity of their monsters is still giving Malik and Bernhardt a bit of a link, and helping them connect to Henri. Or maybe I'm just grasping at straws.

 

[Sayajin2205]

I felt like the way this update was handled was less than ideal. The way 0.996 ended looked like multiple party members were on the verge of a potential evolution so I expected at least one to evolve. But that didn't happen...instead everyone was just teleported in a dungeon.

And while I don't mind Alice getting a chance to shine I don't like that the MC did literally nothing all update. I thought when he visited the arena on his own he could at least do some training there but no. Then the event at the brothel is a dead end so he can't do that either.

And Alice not only becoming a monster but wanting to literally eat flesh from the MC downgraded her from one of the most likable LIs to basically the bottom of the list rn. The emo goodbye might have had some impact if not for that.

I also hated how we got literally nothing about Michael...presumably he's still alive, somehow. But still, we should have seen something of him. But I would not be surprised if he monsterfied as well...I don't think him evolving to level 3 would be enough to survive up there...he'd have to be at least an A class monster.

I did like how the story of Aos and Danu was handled though, that was excellent.

Ngl that Alice eating flesh shit just turned me off lmaoo .We got actual monsters girls not doing it scene with Aglaecwif was hot and without that shit.Even someone like Esiheth who eats flesh had more control when she was with Mc, other monsters we fucked also never did that shit with the exception of Minyaks.So yeah if it was an optional choice where Mc can offer it when she says she was hungry I would be fine but there was no option for it and yeah that shit was not it for me.

 

[corewen]

I have felt the last 2 updates while very entertaining was like trying to build up to something for the MC and the rest, instead we had Alice as a Monster, Daryl wishing it was a monster still, Micheal just evolving and nothing to add. Amber some how having a crush on Micheal and thinking that she doesn't hold any power at all and the MC... Not really doing shit all the entire time in the monster world and I really wish I could see where this is headed but the bloated past year of the MC basically learning his memory ebility which doesn't hold my attentino like the entirity of his being on the real world, interacting into the real world. We didn't get any fight with Shay or the Twins that ended with anything. We didn't get any satisfaction from Cole's fight, Jared didn't even fight and Ella has been gone since before moster world when she was supposed to be the bees knees and then she dies and we get a doll? Seriously? We are not getting any real satifaction for very real enemies and I guess I'm justs sad that it is yet again gonna be 3 or 4 months before anything can be done with the lengthy row of people the MC as dates of detiny with and I'm starting to get concerned that they are just gonna be left laying about. I'm bummed.

 

[Jonathan Y]

Ngl that Alice eating flesh shit just turned me off lmaoo .We got actual monsters girls not doing it scene with Aglaecwif was hot and without that shit.Even someone like Esiheth who eats flesh had more control when she was with Mc, other monsters we fucked also never did that shit with the exception of Minyaks.So yeah if it was an optional choice where Mc can offer it when she says she was hungry I would be fine but there was no option for it and yeah that shit was not it for me.

To be fair Eisheth would actually 100% do that and then some.
There is that bad ending where when you infiltratre the SIN tournament, if you choose not to join the fight, you and invisible girl get to follow Eisheth, and she's mating with a chimera or a monster of some sort before brutally murdering it afterwards.

Also it wasn't due to lack of control but just a kink thing, plus it was just one scene, people really shouldn't get upset over it that much. There was a guy above you who said it made Alice go from best girl to worst, like, seriously ? C'mon guys.

 

[Jonathan Y]

I have felt the last 2 updates while very entertaining was like trying to build up to something for the MC and the rest, instead we had Alice as a Monster, Daryl wishing it was a monster still, Micheal just evolving and nothing to add. Amber some how having a crush on Micheal and thinking that she doesn't hold any power at all and the MC... Not really doing shit all the entire time in the monster world and I really wish I could see where this is headed but the bloated past year of the MC basically learning his memory ebility which doesn't hold my attentino like the entirity of his being on the real world, interacting into the real world. We didn't get any fight with Shay or the Twins that ended with anything. We didn't get any satisfaction from Cole's fight, Jared didn't even fight and Ella has been gone since before moster world when she was supposed to be the bees knees and then she dies and we get a doll? Seriously? We are not getting any real satifaction for very real enemies and I guess I'm justs sad that it is yet again gonna be 3 or 4 months before anything can be done with the lengthy row of people the MC as dates of detiny with and I'm starting to get concerned that they are just gonna be left laying about. I'm bummed.

I personaly disagree, the Monster World arc has been very fun. Yes I understand your points and agree it kinda bummed me out the Mc's route and his progression seemed to take a backstep at times.
But this arc finaly gave us information on the monster world, on their origin, on Gods and past of other characters etc.

And I believe this last update was phenomenal, we got the most ammount of monster interactions, they finaly seem like less of the black and white bad guys they almost always did until now. We finaly got information on the structure of monster society, we finaly, in clear text, know what the Chosen do and their role in monster society.

Aos has been such a fun read, we finaly get someone with knowledge and willing to share it ( cough Ella ), and I personaly loved Alice's arc.

Also Ella's story is still going strong idk what you mean. It's clear her path is leading up to something big such a ressurection. And it makes sense she would have such a plan as faking her own death as SIN had no chances of victory.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Hang on, I just thought of something. When did Ella become the Third's chosen? Cause we saw her evolve to Level 5 over the course of the game, but from what I can tell she was Chosen before that point. So Body chose not only a superhuman, but a superhuman that hasn't even reached Level 5 to be a Chosen. That's really weird.

 

[XeroZero000]

Ngl that Alice eating flesh shit just turned me off lmaoo .We got actual monsters girls not doing it scene with Aglaecwif was hot and without that shit.Even someone like Esiheth who eats flesh had more control when she was with Mc, other monsters we fucked also never did that shit with the exception of Minyaks.So yeah if it was an optional choice where Mc can offer it when she says she was hungry I would be fine but there was no option for it and yeah that shit was not it for me.

 

[Dark T-Rex]

Hang on, I just thought of something. When did Ella become the Third's chosen? Cause we saw her evolve to Level 5 over the course of the game, but from what I can tell she was Chosen before that point. So Body chose not only a superhuman, but a superhuman that hasn't even reached Level 5 to be a Chosen. That's really weird.

Ella's explanation of becoming a Chosen.

 

[Dark479]

Ella's explanation of becoming a Chosen.
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Ella says that she's the only one who can tell compatibility with the core trait...and I think there is something to that because nobody else seems to think the MC is in a good place...even Aos suggested that because the MC had "emotional" evolutions(ie under high stress) he is damaged somehow. But I think Ella is onto something there. The big question is what the MC will eventually become...almost certainly not a monster and I think a serum evolution for 5th is off the table too. But we know almost nothing about natural 5th evolutions...only three have done it and they are vastly more powerful than any other superhumans including serum induced 5ths. Would the MC have to be chosen for a natural 5th evolution? He also has abilities from not just one but two apostles so how would his compatibility with patron even work since he's basically 50/50 split between the 3rd and 4th. Though the 3rd and 4th are brother and sister sooo...idk...maybe they don't mind? Do apostles even care about familiar links?

 

[Zorad]

Ella says that she's the only one who can tell compatibility with the core trait...and I think there is something to that because nobody else seems to think the MC is in a good place...even Aos suggested that because the MC had "emotional" evolutions(ie under high stress) he is damaged somehow. But I think Ella is onto something there. The big question is what the MC will eventually become...almost certainly not a monster and I think a serum evolution for 5th is off the table too. But we know almost nothing about natural 5th evolutions...only three have done it and they are vastly more powerful than any other superhumans including serum induced 5ths. Would the MC have to be chosen for a natural 5th evolution? He also has abilities from not just one but two apostles so how would his compatibility with patron even work since he's basically 50/50 split between the 3rd and 4th. Though the 3rd and 4th are brother and sister sooo...idk...maybe they don't mind? Do apostles even care about familiar links?

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if she knows the Eye's plan somehow. Whether it contacted her or if it's also inside her I have no clue. What I do know is that literally every other character says the MC is defective in some way, even the Chosen of the 4th, but Ella still calls him perfect. She is either in denial that her plans will fail, or she knows exactly what the MC is and can/will become. I seriously doubt a 20 year old girl would have a "better eye" than monsters thousands or millions of years older than her; her knowledge (and therefore confidence in the MC) must come from at least either the 3rd, 4th or the Eye itself, I literally can't see any other explanation.

 

[Hiro_K]

Why can't we have a lady with this body type!

 

[OnlineRando]

Ella says that she's the only one who can tell compatibility with the core trait...and I think there is something to that because nobody else seems to think the MC is in a good place...even Aos suggested that because the MC had "emotional" evolutions(ie under high stress) he is damaged somehow. But I think Ella is onto something there. The big question is what the MC will eventually become...almost certainly not a monster and I think a serum evolution for 5th is off the table too. But we know almost nothing about natural 5th evolutions...only three have done it and they are vastly more powerful than any other superhumans including serum induced 5ths. Would the MC have to be chosen for a natural 5th evolution? He also has abilities from not just one but two apostles so how would his compatibility with patron even work since he's basically 50/50 split between the 3rd and 4th. Though the 3rd and 4th are brother and sister sooo...idk...maybe they don't mind? Do apostles even care about familiar links?

I just had a thought... Maybe one of the conditions required to achieve a natural 5th evolution, or at least in the way that the big three did it, is to separate yourself from, or perhaps reject, either your monster parents or the apostles, making them transcend their status as a superhuman, at least in the way the rest are.

I don't have much to support this off the top of my head, but the big three were mentioned to be aberrations that shouldn't exist. If we consider that from the point of what seems to be the purpose of superhumans, aka potential vessels for the apostles, someone who's disconnected themselves from both the apostles and the limitations placed on them from being such a potential vessel would certainly be that.

In particular, I remember a line about Henry having rejected his origin, or something like that. I don't remember it well though, so I might be wrong.

This theory also fits with what the judge in the truth dream said to MC: "Until cleaved from mother and father, thyself remaineth unwhole". Since the fifth evolution is often associated with being complete, that could be what he was reffering to. Seperating yourself from the apostles, which in a way are the source of your power, is the only way to make your "self" become "whole".

 

[OnlineRando]

Why can't we have a lady with this body type!

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Booba too small

 

[XeroZero000]

Seperating yourself from the apostles, which in a way are the source of your power, is the only way to make your "self" become "whole".

Will the that 1% come to play then? WW said 1% is others.

 

[OnlineRando]

Will the that 1% come to play then? WW said 1% is others.

Idk, we barely know anything about the 1%. We only know Syla thinks he's imperfect, and that WW said he's imperfect, but he has said multiple times that he might be lying about everything he said on streams.

Ella, at least, considers MC perfect, whatever that may mean.

But regardless, since the concept is basically separating yourself from "the source of your power", being the apostles, and basically being your own powerful thing without existing for the purpose of becoming a vessel, the most I see the 1% doing is coming around once MC separates from body and memory and doing some trolling while he's weakened/unprepared.

He'll have to struggle a bunch and then separate from that too, if that even happens in the first place.

Or, he might fail because of that, I guess. Idk.

 

[Sayajin2205]

Not into that shit gang shit's disgusting to me we like what we like

 

[Dark479]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if she knows the Eye's plan somehow. Whether it contacted her or if it's also inside her I have no clue. What I do know is that literally every other character says the MC is defective in some way, even the Chosen of the 4th, but Ella still calls him perfect. She is either in denial that her plans will fail, or she knows exactly what the MC is and can/will become. I seriously doubt a 20 year old girl would have a "better eye" than monsters thousands or millions of years older than her; her knowledge (and therefore confidence in the MC) must come from at least either the 3rd, 4th or the Eye itself, I literally can't see any other explanation.

It also a matter of considering that Ella does not consider the MC perfect for the same thing that the monsters would. Both can be true at the same time. Perfect for what? The MC might not be perfect for being a chosen but he could be perfect for something else. And we know next to nothin about the insanely powerful natural 5th evolutions...MC might not have to be a chosen to achieve a natural 5th evolution. The only 3 superhumans who achieved it are insanely powerful beyond belief...possibly more powerful than some of the chosen like Indra...but each of the three are in some way working with some kind of entity that gives then a unique aura. Maybe that's what the eye will be for the MC...but the eye is not good, nor does it care about humanity. The eye wants to erase the MC and take control by monsterfying the MC...but in the dead ends we see he can't beat the big three of HERO. Maybe if the MC can control the eye and achieve a natural 5th evolution he'd be more powerful.

 

[Sayajin2205]

To be fair Eisheth would actually 100% do that and then some.
There is that bad ending where when you infiltratre the SIN tournament, if you choose not to join the fight, you and invisible girl get to follow Eisheth, and she's mating with a chimera or a monster of some sort before brutally murdering it afterwards.

Also it wasn't due to lack of control but just a kink thing, plus it was just one scene, people really shouldn't get upset over it that much. There was a guy above you who said it made Alice go from best girl to worst, like, seriously ? C'mon guys.

Yet she didn't two other times that is my point a dead end is a dead end lol sometimes they are retarded as hell must like this update.But she showed more restraint than Alice so either way can't force a man to like something.