Yeah, Suguha was fine on her own, but Fujino clearly wanted to rush the story and tying her plot to Sinon's after weidly make her a super-important-background-plot character was the fastest way of combining all the plots into one he could think of, apparently, which is why we ended up getting what we did XP It's honestly sad because all that it achieved aside from artificially giving Sugu 'more resources' and giving a more 'realistic' excuse for her to not have to keep up her job at the brothel is to once again give her a 'possible losing condition', which she no longer had after getting rid of Hebishima: Now if Sinon gets fucked over by the council, there is a non-zero chance Sugu gets dragged down too just by helping her, which would suck.
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I agree on the Admin plotline, but imho, Liz's addition was unnecessary too. Her part could've been taken over by side characters from the first part instead of taking away their screen time just to squeeze in a new character. And then there's also Alice...
A good point. But then again, this ain't Shakespeare...
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but if Asuna knows that Kirito can't satisfy her and also has little stamina and therefore it's useless for Kirito to try, then if Kirito behaves immaturely, then Asuna behaves indifferently, while Inoda behaves... well, we know how he behaves, he's certainly not a good guy as the blind people of the first part thought
Its ironic how most of the worst aspects of part 2 are resulted from the questionary organized by Fujino at the beginning of part 2.
In a way, the supporters and general audience of Fujino cucked themselves while hoping to get a more slow burn emotional NTR story, but receiving a half-baked unfocused NTR cliché filled story.
Alice came to be thanks to her being voted/chosen in the questionary. Alice story could have been easily given to NPCs or just be a quest in FOG, and Alice screen time repurposed to better secondary stories.
Hebishima was removed from the story thanks to the voice of the Fujino audience shared in the questionary. Hebishima was a stereotypical NTR protagonist, but at least his role and actions in the story were consistent in part 1 and some of part 2 before it was softly removed and then gender bent.
The council existence in the current form, most likely, exist because of Alice inclusion in the story and the decision to remove Hebishima from the story. Without Hebishima there was no source of secondary NTR events.
Sugu and Sinon plot merge resulted again from Hebishima removal and people choosing in the questionary to have Kirito be able to have sex with other girls. It would have been better for Sugu and Sinon story to be kept separate or at least joined as Fujino originally intended. And Kiritio could still be getting scenes with Sugu and Sinon, but this time they would have been conditioned by Hebishima as a way to demonstrate his dominance and corruption of Sugu and Sinon to an unknowing Kirito.
Kyoko and Liz underuse in the story is due to the choice of going too far with the slow burn and for Fujino inexperience with this type of setup for a NTR story. If Fujino had kept to his usual pacing for the story and just moved focus to other character when he needed to slow down and shift focus, then we would have had more diverse events and more unpredictable story telling.
As things are now, we are basically waiting for each update cycle to recycle ideas and content from part 1 and other Fujino games but with the extra addition of having several events to get what in the past was done with just a longer scene or a buildup made from exploring the map and a payoff from witnessing another perspective for the scene.
In a way, the supporters and general audience of Fujino cucked themselves while hoping to get a more slow burn emotional NTR story, but receiving a half-baked unfocused NTR cliché filled story.
Alice came to be thanks to her being voted/chosen in the questionary. Alice story could have been easily given to NPCs or just be a quest in FOG, and Alice screen time repurposed to better secondary stories.
Hebishima was removed from the story thanks to the voice of the Fujino audience shared in the questionary. Hebishima was a stereotypical NTR protagonist, but at least his role and actions in the story were consistent in part 1 and some of part 2 before it was softly removed and then gender bent.
The council existence in the current form, most likely, exist because of Alice inclusion in the story and the decision to remove Hebishima from the story. Without Hebishima there was no source of secondary NTR events.
Sugu and Sinon plot merge resulted again from Hebishima removal and people choosing in the questionary to have Kirito be able to have sex with other girls. It would have been better for Sugu and Sinon story to be kept separate or at least joined as Fujino originally intended. And Kiritio could still be getting scenes with Sugu and Sinon, but this time they would have been conditioned by Hebishima as a way to demonstrate his dominance and corruption of Sugu and Sinon to an unknowing Kirito.
Kyoko and Liz underuse in the story is due to the choice of going too far with the slow burn and for Fujino inexperience with this type of setup for a NTR story. If Fujino had kept to his usual pacing for the story and just moved focus to other character when he needed to slow down and shift focus, then we would have had more diverse events and more unpredictable story telling.
As things are now, we are basically waiting for each update cycle to recycle ideas and content from part 1 and other Fujino games but with the extra addition of having several events to get what in the past was done with just a longer scene or a buildup made from exploring the map and a payoff from witnessing another perspective for the scene.
Alice is the biggest waste of time amongst all the side characters. I can understand how Liz can also be seen that way, but Fujino did a decent ish enough job with her inclusion. The I mention where maybe the stormy night shouldn't have happened would have eventually needed someone or somebody to help make Asuna fall, and I think Liz alone would have been fine enough as is. The Admin plot line could have just not happened and we would have probably like 10 - 14 less Asuna scenes right now (the earlier parts of Part 2). Not to mention just not having Alice's scenes, which would have probably given enough time to dedicate towards everything else.I agree on the Admin plotline, but imho, Liz's addition was unnecessary too. Her part could've been taken over by side characters from the first part instead of taking away their screen time just to squeeze in a new character. And then there's also Alice...
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It's not like I have issues with her part in the story—I don’t care about that, to be honest—but that part could have just been done by Sinon, since she's best friends with Asuna anyway behind the scenes. Speaking of which, I still wonder when Fujino will reveal what it's about.
I think the only thing that's unanimously agreed upon as the only bad addition is just Alice.
The council plot line is kind of dumb, but thinking it's because Hebishima was removed is probably incorrect. But anyways in regards to Hebishima being removed and giving Kirito time with other girls, I think those have been relatively well received by a decent chunk of people. It's also been received poorly by others, but it's not something that everyone generally agrees to being bad. Anyways in regards to the council plot line being the result of losing Hebishima, the Administrator character was available from the beginning of Part 2 before the poll was posted.
It's more than likely that Fujino wanted to gauge interest on if the new idea (Admin inclusion and Hebishima removal) they were working on would be decently well received. But the point is that it's something that is entirely on Fujino who wanted to focus on the direction Part 2 went other than forcing Alice into the plot. Liz for example didn't need to be here, but no one had any influence to bring her in, instead it's just Fujino wanting to bring more SAO characters into the story and kicking out all the side npc characters from Part 1.
I do agree that certain characters are underused and the focus is a little whack, but this more than likely has to do with the way Fujino works more than anything else to be honest. It would overall be better if Fujino had less characters and plot lines to work with, considering the method in which they develop this game is on a monthly basis. It's similar to a 40 - 50 page manga chapter per month, and there's only so much content you can do in that time span. Fujino in their efforts to return people's investment on CI-EN/Patreon leads them to release once a month and generally focus mainly on Asuna, which throws a lot of other characters and work onto the side. Basically they needed to have either less characters or work on a bi-monthly schedule (or longer), to allow them legitimate time to develop things.
In regards to the cucks you might mention question, I would probably say it's anyone paying and complaining to be honest lol. I'm personally ok with things, but I'm able to analyze and recognize what may or may not be wrong with things going on. But gotta also chill and be like "it is what it is". I appreciate the amount of work and effort they do so I just kind of go with the flow with it and not get too uppity about it.
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With how long it took for Sinon to get to that point, it probably wouldn't make sense for her to be the character to take Liz's spot. Liz also has SAO history with Kirito and Asuna, so she's easier to bring into the plot and start influencing people. Sinon in comparison was kind of like a cameo to me back in Part 1, considering her canon story arc never happened. But anyways for the sake of limiting the characters and having a finer focus, it would have been fine for Sinon to just be a town bike off on the side barely getting any scenes.
Side note, I'm very happy with her current scenes, but definitely recognize she's one of those characters that wasn't needed alongside Alice.
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Yeah, the funny thing is, nobody asked for or even expected Kirito to get some action. That was purely Fujino's decision.
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Pretty sure one of poll questions was "Should Kirito have sex with other people?"
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Well yeah we needed that ending scene. It was the peak of the game, the culmination of months of waiting and hours of playing. The game teased us with the glimpse of it without showing how it happened. Like. I still feel there was information about that day that was either kept from us, or just overlooked. Asuna spent the whole day with Inoda, going to different places, like a whole date day where he could have been pressuring her. The stormy night didn't need the drugged incense plot, Inoda could just have pressured her all day and then begged her in the night. But then the scene reveal came out completely different. I dunno, it started Part 2 off in a really bad place because Fujino was either hiding what happened, lying about it, or just didn't plan to tell us. It took a few updates before we got some of the clips, and even longer for us to find out the incense was fake and it really was just because Inoda was forceful and Asuna let him do it.
While I don't enjoy most of the Liz based scenes (the BDSM stuff), I actually like how she's used in the story as an in-FOG counterpart to Inoda. As in, she wants to help split up Asuna and Kirito but because she wants Kirito herself. I also like how she can be used to craft plot devices, I just wish they weren't used once and immediately forgotten. But yeah, for some reason Inoda and her crossed paths and now Liz will give up on Kirito eventually and become another Inoda slave.I agree on the Admin plotline, but imho, Liz's addition was unnecessary too. Her part could've been taken over by side characters from the first part instead of taking away their screen time just to squeeze in a new character. And then there's also Alice...
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Yeah, there was a noticeable drop in game quality when he started running polls and changing the game to suit them. It's why Inoda's personality is all over the place. It's why Alice was forced in. It's why Hebishima got gender-swapped. It became a mess of 'doing what my supporters tell me'.
I don't think the ending scene was needed. Asuna and Inoda's relationship at that point would have led to the soft reset because it would basically be Inoda jumping the gun and raping Asuna. We could have gone down the route of instant-loss, but then that would have created a jarring experience with how Part 1 made her overall resistant for a while just to instantly lose and not care about Kirito anymore. So to keep her in character, the soft reset ended up happening, which is something a lot of people have complained about.
We could have probably skipped about 10 - 14 Asuna scenes from the earlier parts of Part 2, and the real "stormy night" would have probably been the FOG Treehouse scene. Because she would have been convinced it's not IRL and under the influence of in-game debuffs, but also consciously aware enough to know what's going on, it would have further built up to IRL. People complain about the IRL scenes that do happen to be recycles/rehashes of older scenes, and that's mainly the fault of how Part 1 ends, because it leads towards a soft reset.
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Ironically, it didn’t go the way the supporters wanted, because I’m pretty sure most people who voted to get rid of Hebishima wanted every girl to be claimed by Inoda.
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Yeah, and I kinda have a feeling the same could happen in IRL too if Fujino doesn’t focus on new kinks, because once Asuna accepts sex in IRL, the scenes won’t mean as much as they do now in VR.
In regards to what you're saying and my mention of the ending scene of part 1. We've been building back up to a 2nd IRL sex scene for majority of the game, but because we already had it happen 1 time, I imagine the 2nd time will be less impactful to people too.
I kind of agree with Kinglion in this case though. The things that made some of the scenes exciting aren't really happening right now, and that's mainly Kirito's influence and/or awareness of them. It doesn't always have to be Kirito being in the same exact area, because the treehouse scene was great. It's one of the hotter scenes because Kirito wanting to do something for Asuna ends up unintentionally alienating her and leaving her open and vulnerable to Inoda to get banged while Kirito is doing something he thinks is heroic and awesome. But like Kinglion said, the swordland music played in one of the updates (it's gone now), and it turns what Kirito thinks is his moment into actually Inoda's moment.
Nowadays Kirito is simply not partaking in anything alongside their much weaker relationship, though I care the least about that reason, I suppose it's possible Kirito partaking more would have led to more moments like the Treehouse scene. Like the recent video call was kind of hot, but it's less interesting since it's just some extremely convenient interruption by a delivery by his mom, instead of Kirito trying to get Asuna a present maybe idk.
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I think you are overestimating how much effect the polls had. The only question what could have brought Alice into the game was "Which canon girl should be Charlie's girlfriend?" But as we all know Charlie was sent to the village at the beginning of Part 2 so I doubt Alice's inclusion was because of the poll. Also everyone only voted whether Hebishima should be removed from the game. Fujino was the one who choose to genderbent him. He could have easily sent him to the village too or truck-kun him. The only poll question I can think of that affected the game was "Should Kirito work a part time job?"
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best friend at a distance, I haven't seen Sinon face to face with Asuna yet
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My English is not so good, but I hope you will understand what I wrote here.
This is my first post, so forgive me.
How to get back the NTR feeling.
Version:
First, in order to have good HTR scenes, it is necessary not to forget that Asuna has Kirito, and not only the member of Inoda. That is to say, she should compare thoughts, but not overdo it. It is necessary to return the emphasis on the fact that Asuna is still Kirito’s girlfriend, and if she is changing him, then this happens for reasons that are quite adequate from her point of view. For example, it is her duty, but then Inoda must suffer again for one reason or another. But it should not be her arousal, as in NTR a girl must resist the desire to cheat on her boyfriend.
And secondly, we need to add the character of Aswan. She has repeatedly refused or slapped Inode. If it does as in the first part or at the beginning of the second part, we will see its character. As in the stories of some hentai manga, where girls even at the end admit that they are whores, have a character or another, in which they live restlessly next to their boyfriend, try to escape from the problem and resist their desire to spread their legs. And if there are concessions, there must be a reason. But in the middle of sex, they become very debauched.
Third, it is a text version. It should not be too short, as in the real blow job scene, otherwise there will be some inferiority. It seemed like it was, but not noticeable. The text should then show why this is happening and what Asuna feels, as well as how she wants to resist. So it was before, when Inode tried to bring her to the truth, and she refused and even at the end broke, tried to say no, and mentioned Kirito, trying to rehabilitate herself.
In real life:
Thinking for this we need to return the dialogues about how Asuna still loves Kirito, and not only thinks of Inode’s penis. But compares them.
Next, it would be nice to add content about the video chat with Asuna and Kirito and their erotic contact, whether masturbating or just showing naked bodies, which will add romantic intimacy to them because they finally ended up together, even if Inode is sitting next to them. And then destroy it by adding Inode, who asks Asuna to help him, which will lead us back to the NTR. Kirito himself could have gone away for a while. This was in a blow job scene in reality, but it was weak in the text and duration. By the way, yes, in this case it is necessary to do so that Asuna does not go about his desires, but performs a maternal instinct or something similar, but with sufficient text. There must be a reason, in the real blow-job scene Inode’s reason was weak, so that Asuna agreed.
Also do not forget about the popular now in other stories content when a girl sends naughty photos to her boyfriend, while cheating on him. At work, Kirito could have taken a couple of pictures, Asuna as usual can masturbate Inode.
Then an evening movie, where Inoda could put the breast of Asuna while she talks with Kirito on the phone, again with a confession of love.
В FOG:
You can put in the FOG moments that were already there, it’s how Kirito had a hallucination and he saw Asuna cheating on him, but not too often. We need a corresponding reaction from both Kirito and Asuna.
Sex Kirito with Asuna in real life or in FOG , and then for Asuna to change him with Inoda, reaching the climax, as she is not satisfied. The scene on a similar anal was not bad, in particular the text version. That is, Asuna was euphoric, so unconsciously changed Kirito, so wanted to get a massage in the right place. This is how it should be in other scenes. But more sophisticated, especially the text version, as it gives a full history of NTR.
This is my first post, so forgive me.
How to get back the NTR feeling.
Version:
First, in order to have good HTR scenes, it is necessary not to forget that Asuna has Kirito, and not only the member of Inoda. That is to say, she should compare thoughts, but not overdo it. It is necessary to return the emphasis on the fact that Asuna is still Kirito’s girlfriend, and if she is changing him, then this happens for reasons that are quite adequate from her point of view. For example, it is her duty, but then Inoda must suffer again for one reason or another. But it should not be her arousal, as in NTR a girl must resist the desire to cheat on her boyfriend.
And secondly, we need to add the character of Aswan. She has repeatedly refused or slapped Inode. If it does as in the first part or at the beginning of the second part, we will see its character. As in the stories of some hentai manga, where girls even at the end admit that they are whores, have a character or another, in which they live restlessly next to their boyfriend, try to escape from the problem and resist their desire to spread their legs. And if there are concessions, there must be a reason. But in the middle of sex, they become very debauched.
Third, it is a text version. It should not be too short, as in the real blow job scene, otherwise there will be some inferiority. It seemed like it was, but not noticeable. The text should then show why this is happening and what Asuna feels, as well as how she wants to resist. So it was before, when Inode tried to bring her to the truth, and she refused and even at the end broke, tried to say no, and mentioned Kirito, trying to rehabilitate herself.
In real life:
Thinking for this we need to return the dialogues about how Asuna still loves Kirito, and not only thinks of Inode’s penis. But compares them.
Next, it would be nice to add content about the video chat with Asuna and Kirito and their erotic contact, whether masturbating or just showing naked bodies, which will add romantic intimacy to them because they finally ended up together, even if Inode is sitting next to them. And then destroy it by adding Inode, who asks Asuna to help him, which will lead us back to the NTR. Kirito himself could have gone away for a while. This was in a blow job scene in reality, but it was weak in the text and duration. By the way, yes, in this case it is necessary to do so that Asuna does not go about his desires, but performs a maternal instinct or something similar, but with sufficient text. There must be a reason, in the real blow-job scene Inode’s reason was weak, so that Asuna agreed.
Also do not forget about the popular now in other stories content when a girl sends naughty photos to her boyfriend, while cheating on him. At work, Kirito could have taken a couple of pictures, Asuna as usual can masturbate Inode.
Then an evening movie, where Inoda could put the breast of Asuna while she talks with Kirito on the phone, again with a confession of love.
В FOG:
You can put in the FOG moments that were already there, it’s how Kirito had a hallucination and he saw Asuna cheating on him, but not too often. We need a corresponding reaction from both Kirito and Asuna.
Sex Kirito with Asuna in real life or in FOG , and then for Asuna to change him with Inoda, reaching the climax, as she is not satisfied. The scene on a similar anal was not bad, in particular the text version. That is, Asuna was euphoric, so unconsciously changed Kirito, so wanted to get a massage in the right place. This is how it should be in other scenes. But more sophisticated, especially the text version, as it gives a full history of NTR.