Unity Taffy Tales [S1 Redux] [UberPie]

[KingWeWuz]

What I think can happen is that someone is going to put up a scene saying:
I loved this scene!!! *Puts up the picture of the scene*
BUT that scene will only be on the NTR route and another person who does not like the NTR will arrive and therefore has not seen that scene and will ask:
-Where do you get that scene? I want to see!!
-It's only on the NTR route
-THAT? IT'S NOT FAIR!!! WHY IS IT ONLY ON THE NTR ROUTE???
I WANT TO SEE THAT SCENE ON THE NORMAL ROUTE AND NOW!!!
*Proceeds to wage war on the thread*
(Unlikely because they only use the thread to fight each other and ask for help that if they searched for 5 minutes alone they would know that it is already solved and they do not need to ask again)
That is just my opinion

I think it would be the opposite. I think a guy who likes ntr would become furious if the ntr scene is not in the non-ntr route.

 

[Count Morado]

I think it would be the opposite. I think a guy who likes ntr would become furious if the ntr scene is not in the non-ntr route.

Your reply is ridiculous and you know you're just playing the part of the troll with it.

But Zeuslrg does make a good point - if there are images in the NTR version that do not pertain to NTR, I can see non-NTR players feeling as though they are being denied access simply because they don't play the NTR version. Same can be said of almost any images in the 'harem' version that may not end up in the NTR version - and NTR players feeling like they are being denied.

This goes back to the fallibility of the idea of making 2 separate versions of the game rather than just making a single choice option near the beginning or options along the way of going through the game to experience NTR scenes or avoid them. Not only is Uberpie making more work and building in more opportunities to make errors by having two versions, but he's going to create a lot more animosity rather than just continue the level of animosity about NTR scenes that already exists.

 

[KingWeWuz]

Your reply is ridiculous and you know you're just playing the part of the troll with it.

How is what I've said trolling? Ntr fans can enjoy both vanilla and ntr. non-ntr fans can enjoy vanilla and non ntr. So an ntr fan can play both routes, while non-ntr fans will only want one. That's why I suspect an ntr fan will feel miffed in the non-ntr routes when ntr is dangled in front of him but never ends up happening.

In fact, why don't we look at the history of this thread? When an unavoidable ntr scene randomly got put in a while ago, how did the non-ntr fans respond? They hated it and wanted it removed.

So let's be clear, the non-ntr fans are going to hate anything from the ntr route that might spill over, but the opposite won't be the case.

 

[Count Morado]

How is what I've said trolling? Ntr fans can enjoy both vanilla and ntr. non-ntr fans can enjoy vanilla and non ntr. So an ntr fan can play both routes, while non-ntr fans will only want one. That's why I suspect an ntr fan will feel miffed in the non-ntr routes when ntr is dangled in front of him but never ends up happening.

In fact, why don't we look at the history of this thread? When an unavoidable ntr scene randomly got put in a while ago, how did the non-ntr fans respond? They hated it and wanted it removed.

So let's be clear, the non-ntr fans are going to hate anything from the ntr route that might spill over, but the opposite won't be the case.

That wasn't clear in your first post. It sounded like you were accusing NTR-fans of wanting to have NTR content shown in the 'harem' version - which seemed to imply that you thought NTR-fans want everyone to experience NTR scenes (even if only for the LOLs)

As for your follow up - there shouldn't be NTR dangled in the harem version because that would miff the non-NTR fans, so the premise you make at the end of your first paragraph should be moot. I agree with everything else you state in the rest of this follow up.

As an aside - who wants to really invest the time to play two versions that will be nearly identical simply to experience the harem version and the NTR version with each update? Nevermind, I forgot what site I was on. Carry on.

 

[KingWeWuz]

As for your follow up - there shouldn't be NTR dangled in the harem version because that would miff the non-NTR fans, so the premise you make at the end of your first paragraph should be moot. I agree with everything else you state in the rest of this follow up.

The non-ntr route CONSTANTLY dangles ntr in front of the mc even now, though I haven't played it in a while, I recall a girl at the beginning gets molested in front of you, then the unavoidable ntr became avoidable, other guys leer at your love interests, the mc's crush is all but confirmed to be literally blowing the principal. Thats just the stuff I remember so far.

 

[Count Morado]

The non-ntr route CONSTANTLY dangles ntr in front of the mc even now, though I haven't played it in a while, I recall a girl at the beginning gets molested in front of you, then the unavoidable ntr became avoidable, other guys leer at your love interests, the mc's crush is all but confirmed to be literally blowing the principal. Thats just the stuff I remember so far.

What you are you stating in this post goes back to the trolling I assumed and it is where I was expecting your perspective to come from. Thank you for confirming my suspicions.

The current version of the game was originally intended to have three different routes in one package - harem (main route), friendship (sharing route), and NTR route - and so a few of the decision forks for paths of all three of those routes exist in the current version. As for your claims:

1. The MC stops the molesting of Becca before it gets too far - ergo, the MC is the hero of the scene, which is an ancient cavalier trope of saving the damsel in distress. She's not a love interest at that point of the game (in fact, not even on the MC's radar or barely there) - and the MC saves her, corrupting her later for himself.
2. What you are discussing, I believe, was the programming problem from 2+ years ago that was bugfixed within the week after it was released (and continues to be brought up here as a nonsensical case by non-NTR fans that Uberpie plans all along to cuck them).
3. Other guys leering is not NTR. You make it sound as the MC should only have unattractive women as LIs - look, I understand that people who aren't attractive need love, too, but come on. Men who find women attractive may end up leering. It's life. That's not NTR and any man who has any sense of self-esteem and assuredness will think to himself "Yup, keep looking at her, buddy - because she's going home with me. Eat your heart out." Not "Oh noes, I'm being cucked because that guy wants my girl."
4. There is nothing that I can remember which implies that Stacy (the crush stated in the beginning of the game) is doing anything with Walter. Mia is running something underhanded with Walter, but she isn't giving anything up to Walter either (though I did initially think that she was the toy in the one minigame, I was wrong).

As for stuff bleeding through into a separate harem version, that's not supposed to happen when the new two versions of the game comes out ... "as SEPARATE updates simultaneously. The NTR route will be a separate game/route that you download to play independent of the main route" (direct quote from Uberpie). If that is the case - there should be nothing NTR dangling in the update for the harem version of the game. All those little bits you are mentioning should be gone if the team does their job right. Which, based upon previous updates, is a tall order - I understand.

Again, this is a big if, but if the coding is done correctly and proper editing is done - then those little dangles should go away.

That said, based upon past experiences, we all know there are going to be mistakes, errors, and missed edits that will need to be cleared up. But that happens with a game that is in development. Hell, that happens when AAA games are fully released.

 

[KingWeWuz]

What you are you stating in this post goes back to the trolling I assumed and it is where I was expecting your perspective to come from. Thank you for confirming my suspicions.

The current version of the game was originally intended to have three different routes in one package - harem (main route), friendship (sharing route), and NTR route - and so a few of the decision forks for paths of all three of those routes exist in the current version. As for your claims:

1. The MC stops the molesting of Becca before it gets too far - ergo, the MC is the hero of the scene, which is an ancient cavalier trope of saving the damsel in distress. She's not a love interest at that point of the game (in fact, not even on the MC's radar or barely there) - and the MC saves her, corrupting her later for himself. Oh, and yes, it's 100% an example of dangling ntr in front of the player without outright ntring him.
2. What you are discussing, I believe, was the programming problem from 2+ years ago that was bugfixed within the week after it was released (and continues to be brought up here as a nonsensical case by non-NTR fans that Uberpie plans all along to cuck them).
3. Other guys leering is not NTR. You make it sound as the MC should only have unattractive women as LIs - look, I understand that people who aren't attractive need love, too, but come on. Men who find women attractive may end up leering. It's life. That's not NTR and any man who has any sense of self-esteem and assuredness will think to himself "Yup, keep looking at her, buddy - because she's going home with me. Eat your heart out." Not "Oh noes, I'm being cucked because that guy wants my girl."
4. There is nothing that I can remember which implies that Stacy (the crush stated in the beginning of the game) is doing anything with Walter. Mia is running something underhanded with Walter, but she isn't giving anything up to Walter either (though I did initially think that she was the toy in the one minigame, I was wrong).

As for stuff bleeding through into a separate harem version, that's not supposed to happen when the new two versions of the game comes out ... "as SEPARATE updates simultaneously. The NTR route will be a separate game/route that you download to play independent of the main route" (direct quote from Uberpie). If that is the case - there should be nothing NTR dangling in the update for the harem version of the game. All those little bits you are mentioning should be gone if the team does their job right. Which, based upon previous updates, is a tall order - I understand.

Again, this is a big if, but if the coding is done correctly and proper editing is done - then those little dangles should go away.

That said, based upon past experiences, we all know there are going to be mistakes, errors, and missed edits that will need to be cleared up. But that happens with a game that is in development. Hell, that happens when AAA games are fully released.

First, can you stop the accusations of "trolling?" It's just poor manner.

Now on to your points:

1. The molestation itself is already too far. It doesn't satisfy any audience and only cockteases the ntr fans. And isn't she his childhood friend with a romantic interest in him? It ultimately does dangle ntr before the player.
2. It wasn't a programming problem. It was altered and "fixed" when the backlash took a dump on uberpie. And even if, hypothetically speaking it was an accidental programming bug... do you really think they'd release something like that if they bothered testing the game? Either way it's an ntr scene made avoidable, so your point on "separate routes without spillover" is moot.
3. Did I say it was? I said it was dangling ntr. Perhaps I should specify what that implies. When I said the non-ntr path dangles ntr in front of the player without ntr, I meant there was no ntr, just excessive ntr bait. I thought this would be extremely obvious. Good on you for the passive-aggressive attacks on my character by the way.
4. Mia, if I'm not mistaken, is described as the mc's crush. I don't know if the scene was altered from the last time I've played a while back, but when you see her at the track, it's how the mc describes her.

Where did I say anything outside of what you're saying under those 4 points.

 

[banuma]

Your reply is ridiculous and you know you're just playing the part of the troll with it.

But Zeuslrg does make a good point - if there are images in the NTR version that do not pertain to NTR, I can see non-NTR players feeling as though they are being denied access simply because they don't play the NTR version. Same can be said of almost any images in the 'harem' version that may not end up in the NTR version - and NTR players feeling like they are being denied.

This goes back to the fallibility of the idea of making 2 separate versions of the game rather than just making a single choice option near the beginning or options along the way of going through the game to experience NTR scenes or avoid them. Not only is Uberpie making more work and building in more opportunities to make errors by having two versions, but he's going to create a lot more animosity rather than just continue the level of animosity about NTR scenes that already exists.

Absolutely agree with the last paragraph (I don't care for the NTR discussion). Especially the opportunity for errors and bugs plus it will take a lot more time.
There are many examples of games (porn and non) that handle choices the player makes with elegance and don't split up the game.

 

[Umgenlied]

yep that was my thought, you can tell something is Ai because it has no soul to it. i wonder why he is going this route?

He's sacrificing authenticity for efficiency, however standardized and uncanny an ai image may be, it'll increase the output of cg for the game. This isn't the first time he's done something alike, i remember years ago a patreon teaser spurred controversy here cuz of the similarities between a character in a certain position and a picture from another porn artist, it very much seemed like he was adding elements from external sources to fasten his work. There is a name for that practice in the industry, whereas instead of just painting something you add a modified image or use it as sort of a tracing guide, but i can't remember the name of it for god's sake, it's common, but artists usually do it with their own art or free images.

 

[Umgenlied]

Point one, it's AI for sure ( I have been convinced by Araara commander and after verifying with my art expert he agree's)

Point 2 "Not bad"? nah it's shit plain and simple the shadowing is all wrong the knee's and other parts of the body is ugly as fuck eye brows ick hair looks great(another reason its AI) AI's really big flaw look at the hands WTF happened there...

point 3. agreed it's not the same its not even in the same ball park.

I can't hide my disappointment with this

Yeah i'm with you here but i didn't want to sound hostile cuz i didn't know if people were irascible fanatics bout ai here. But yeah, the problem with ai is the obviously standardization of style it leans towards, it becomes practically bland and boring. The other, also self-evident, problem is just how bad it is at drawing. Sure, it looks nice superficially but it's a mish-mash of a million images, ultimately it just doesn't grasp what actual anatomy is lol. Shapes and positions are distorted and over-exagerated, you got giraffe necks, long arms, small legs, high knees; and terrible, awful, non-sensical shading, the last one probably being the biggest fault. I've watched several artists on the internet making digressions on the last point, it's a fundamental misconception, ai simply doesn't understand how shapes are supposed to be in a body, it simply can't, and it's no wonder, this is probably the whole of any artists learning journey, understanding shape, form and light.

 

[TrapmanCrothers]

If that is the case - there should be nothing NTR dangling in the update for the harem version of the game. All those little bits you are mentioning should be gone if the team does their job right. Which, based upon previous updates, is a tall order - I understand.

My thing is that I have no idea how no NTR dangling is supposed to work in terms of the story. The threat of the Principle and the bullies et al stealing your women is the foundation for the narrative. We're the only thing standing between them and taking over the town and they have their eyes on taking everyone close to the MC. Unless the plot now moves in two separate directions, I don't see how we won't simply get to the point that all the things that people have complained about so far aren't still there, or the villains of the story become incompetent and totally pointless. The only thing that will change is that instead of three big warnings saying "WARNING: NTR" there'll be no option at all and the NTR scene won't play.

For an example, Mary getting kidnapped and taken to the gym. People seemed annoyed about that scene. But scenes like that can't simply be removed from the game without major narrative changes in the past and moving forward. Or rescuing the MC's sister in the club and arriving right before they fuck her. That pissed off some people, but if you remove that scene entirely (and similar scenes going forward) then I don't see how it's not rewriting the game to remove all threat from the bad guys.

That's all to say my major concern about this game is how many changes of direction it's taken, and this splitting of the game is another major change in direction that will introduce even more problems. I don't know if I'm in an even smaller niche here, because I don't want to choose the NTR option, but I do want to keep the threat of it.

 

[Count Morado]

The threat of the Principle and the bullies et al stealing your women is the foundation for the narrative.

I think you and I are playing two different games already.

• There hasn't been one love interest explicitly targeted by the cabal. Gertrude and the one girl whose BC pills the MC switches are part of the cabal/organization in some facet - so the MC is actually foiling those who were already in it.
• No one is stealing Sara, Clara, Stacy, Mia, Priscilla, the Diner woman, Danny/Vivian, Darnell's sister that have been in the game for a bit. If anything, the MC is stealing/sharing Gertrude and putting Darnell on his heel with his sister.
• Then add in the new interests of the mother of Taksh (whatever his name is) and the introduction of Priscilla's grandmother and Darnell's mother.
• The shopgirl wasn't the MC's to begin with - but the MC bangs her at the end of the last update.
• The grope of Becca at the start was a plot device to start along the inciting incident of being hit by the car. <-- I don't see that one being removed from the harem version, in my opinion. However, based upon the sensitivity of some towards the scene - I guess I could be wrong.
• However, I'll admit that Darnell leering and attempting to get into Mary's pants as well as his blackmailing/bullying/whatever Tiffany are areas where the possibility of NTR plays. <-- I don't see the Tiffany in the bar scene going away from the harem version - because, again, the MC saves her before things go down. However, same as with Becca, maybe it should be removed because I would hate for it to get a little hot for worry of some melting.

 

[TrapmanCrothers]

I think you and I are playing two different games already.

• There hasn't been one love interest explicitly targeted by the cabal. Gertrude and the one girl whose BC pills the MC switches are part of the cabal/organization in some facet - so the MC is actually foiling those who were already in it.
• No one is stealing Sara, Clara, Stacy, Mia, Priscilla, the Diner woman, Danny/Vivian, Darnell's sister that have been in the game for a bit. If anything, the MC is stealing/sharing Gertrude and putting Darnell on his heel with his sister.
• Then add in the new interests of the mother of Taksh (whatever his name is) and the introduction of Priscilla's grandmother and Darnell's mother.
• The shopgirl wasn't the MC's to begin with - but the MC bangs her at the end of the last update.
• The grope of Becca at the start was a plot device to start along the inciting incident of being hit by the car. <-- I don't see that one being removed from the harem version, in my opinion. However, based upon the sensitivity of some towards the scene - I guess I could be wrong.
• However, I'll admit that Darnell leering and attempting to get into Mary's pants as well as his blackmailing/bullying/whatever Tiffany are areas where the possibility of NTR plays. <-- I don't see the Tiffany in the bar scene going away from the harem version - because, again, the MC saves her before things go down. However, same as with Becca, maybe it should be removed because I would hate for it to get a little hot for worry of some melting.

How is kidnapping Mary and drugging the sister not a love interest targeted by the cabal? Or by cabal do you mean specifically the overarching plot about the conspiracy going on? Because I'm just talking about the game in general.

 

[Count Morado]

How is kidnapping Mary and drugging the sister not a love interest targeted by the cabal? Or by cabal do you mean specifically the overarching plot about the conspiracy going on? Because I'm just talking about the game in general.

Mary was never kidnapped. She went to the gym to work out (which was in her dialogue when she was the FMC in one of the portions of the game and in the note she left on the fridge):
'Haven't heard back from Gerda so went to the Gym a bit earlier today!'

Yes, Tiffany was drunk and under the influence of a drug at the bar the one night that the MC rescues her before things got bad.

As I said in my reply to you that those two scenes (Mary at the Gym and Tiffany at the Bar) lend toward the possibility of NTR which are less than 15 minutes of playtime in a game that spans multiples of tens of hours of playtime (if people don't skip dialogue).

The Cabal is the overarching plot and they aren't explicitly targeting any of the MCs love interests. Walter is part of that overarching plot. Darnell and the new thug are low level players in it. The stuff against Mary and Tiffany appear as just antagonist scenes that are to create friction between the MC and Darnell - not any part of the actual plot of the game (the cabal, the pills, etc).

 

[TrapmanCrothers]

Mary was never kidnapped. She went to the gym to work out (which was in her dialogue when she was the FMC in one of the portions of the game and in the note she left on the fridge):
'Haven't heard back from Gerda so went to the Gym a bit earlier today!'

Yes, Tiffany was drunk and under the influence of a drug at the bar the one night that the MC rescues her before things got bad.

As I said in my reply to you that those two scenes (Mary at the Gym and Tiffany at the Bar) lend toward the possibility of NTR which are less than 15 minutes of playtime in a game that spans multiples of tens of hours of playtime (if people don't skip dialogue).

The Cabal is the overarching plot and they aren't explicitly targeting any of the MCs love interests. Walter is part of that overarching plot. Darnell and the new thug are low level players in it. The stuff against Mary and Tiffany appear as just antagonist scenes that are to create friction between the MC and Darnell - not any part of the actual plot of the game (the cabal, the pills, etc).

Mary goes to the gym, she can't leave because it'll give the jig up about the remote control. I don't want to argue about what kidnapping is, you know the scene I mean and that the MC has to come rescue her sharpish before the bad guy gets his way like you said. Can't remember all the details around Tiffany but I'm pretty sure it's implied she's been drugged with the intention of them fucking her. Again, MC to the rescue.

I'm trying not to get into an argument at crossed purposes, so what I'm saying is that these are important scenes imo in that they convey the threat of the bad guys and develop the narrative of that impending issue. I'm NOT saying I think these are NTR, I'm just saying these are among the scenes that people have been complaining about. Whether they're right or wrong that this is NTR is kind of irrelevant, but these have been part of the controversy and these are some of the people this move is supposed to appease.

What I'm getting at is...I don't think that can be avoided unless the game takes a huge change in direction. Things like Tiffany in the club is going to continue, but things like Tiffany in the club is going to result in people repeating "Ugh, I thought this game had no NTR! That was way too close!". That's what I took you to mean by "NTR dangling" and that's why I'm saying it's going to be in the game unless major things change.

When I say LIs have been targeted, I mean Mary and Tiffany have been targeted in the ways you've listed. No actual NTR has happened in my view, but that's what's stirred up all the fuss and I don't see it going away. I don't think splitting the game in two is going to do anything to resolve the complaints.

 

[RamenShark]

Well, you renamed her from Mary ... If you searched "Where's Mary!?" in the thread - you'd find several posts of the same answer. Also, the game tells you where to look for the answer --- in the dialogue just before the task activated. #24,255

I also recommend you look at #8 in my FAQ from Sunday: #27,184

oh goddamn it, I was so focused on finding where Mary is that I didn't notice the note in the fridge.

 

[JoJoMan2997]

We went expecting much integrity from you, but to resort to using AI art is something else lol.

 

[ktez]

We went expecting much integrity from you, but to resort to using AI art is something else lol.

Show us your 'integrity' supporting your beloved dev on Patreon that you hold in such a high standard. I expect nothing less from a guy like you.

 

[JoJoMan2997]

Show us your 'integrity' supporting your beloved dev on Patreon that you hold in such a high standard. I expect nothing less from a guy like you.

sure thing, I haven't supported in years but I have pledged him a total of $150 over time

 

[Deleted member 568526]

He has been teasing a few of these AI images over the last few months one was decent ngl but this last one was bad... as far as caring well I was excited about the game at one point but now I am just waiting to see if it train wrecks honestly. Don't think he should have split the game in two, didn't like the revamp of the beginning of the game and the damn thing has been buggy for a long time. As far as crying goes LOL bro not even close. You want to see crying go read the milkers posts...