VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

[Knightcvel]

MC has a debt with Nightingale. He will have to fist fight for that sword. I wonder if he has more latent skills that will rise in the heat of the moment.

 

[xapican]

fist fight for that sword

Not shure if it was a hand to hand or a fencing dare, iirc Nightingale challenged him to a swordfight.

 

[RNasc4444]

she is 200 yrs old

*was

 

[e6mill]

Not shure if it was a hand to hand or a fencing dare, iirc Nightingale challenged him to a swordfight.

He haggled her down to fisticuffs.

 

[Knightcvel]

It will be hand combat. Nightingale refused to fight with swords after seeing MC dealing with Finn in their first contact.

 

[Wolfram99]

MC has a debt with Nightingale. He will have to fist fight for that sword. I wonder if he has more latent skills that will rise in the heat of the moment.

Another one for the duel till death?
SIGN ME UP!

 

[ename144]

A further point - which a lot of alfar lovers here fail to consider - is that the templars are probably the best safeguared for neverwhere and the alfar.

Medb says herself that they could never compete with all of humankind simply because of the numbers.

IF the templars fall and neverwhere becomes public knowledge, neverwhere would get swarmed by humans sooner or later. We would invade, colonize and breed like humans do.

At some point even the alfar territory could become affected.

Overall i feel like a lot of people here look at this conflict with way too much emotions involved (similar to the mc), at least if they want the mc to become someone making a difference and not staying a kid throwing tantrums.

I would argue even if you think the templars are the pure evil, its not smart to cut ties with them, it just restricts the mcs influence, knowledge and information as long as there is no hard choice to make.

Eh, I don't think we know any of that for sure. Humanity may be in a position to swarm the Alfar, but the Alfar don't control Neverwhere; that's controlled by an unknown cabal drawn from an unknown number of worlds. We have no idea how well humanity would do if they tried to swarm Neverwhere, though my guess is "poorly."

I don't see them as a lost cause of corruption. They definitely need a change in leadership.

I think the example of Linnae is a good illustration. Linnae has devoted herself to the Templars to the point of giving up her family and then risks her position by circumventing the leadership. She has lost respect for the leadership. She didn't care she was kicked out of the council. Why would she. They are inept fools, just trying to stick old bandaids on new wounds. She doesn't want to be associated with the council yet she is still devoted to the Templars as she hasn't lost faith in the organization, just the leadership. Hence why she wanted to explain the Templars to the MC. She wanted him to understand the Templars aren't the leadership.

I see the Linnae illustration almost exactly inverted, because she was the only remotely competent member of Templar leadership we've seen, and she insisted on resigning at the first opportunity rather than rolling up her sleeves and fixing the damn problems. If her actions are so beyond the pale in Templar eyes then it's probably best to let the order collapse completely and build a new one from scratch - assuming there really is a useful role for them. I'm still waiting to learn what they actually *do*.

Yes, and if you are on the Kaija friend or LI path and you sparred with her, you have a bit more combat skill, and are able to get the achievement with Nightingale, never the less, Finn has perfected combat, since a early age and she is 200 yrs old, so no no chance against her without magical buff, just remeber how shocked Nightingale was, on the first attack of Finn, she said after that she barley saw her moving.

Based on her performance, I'd say Finnabair's combat skills fall well short of perfection. She's quick and can aim a blade, but she was hopelessly outclassed (by a complete novice!) when it came to planning a fight - much less grasping when to fight in the first place. Oberon struck me as a formidable warrior. Finn, not so much.

 

[Pixillin']

I see the Linnae illustration almost exactly inverted, because she was the only remotely competent member of Templar leadership we've seen, and she insisted on resigning at the first opportunity rather than rolling up her sleeves and fixing the damn problems. If her actions are so beyond the pale in Templar eyes then it's probably best to let the order collapse completely and build a new one from scratch - assuming there really is a useful role for them. I'm still waiting to learn what they actually *do*.

I agree. Strategically, the best course of action would be to let the Templars collapse completely, then wait and let the things the Templars fight run amok for a while, then when it's no longer possible to keep a secret, that's when you fight back - and then you can recruit soldiers from all over the world and probably raise all the money you need to equip and train them.

Based on her performance, I'd say Finnabair's combat skills fall well short of perfection. She's quick and can aim a blade, but she was hopelessly outclassed (by a complete novice!) when it came to planning a fight - much less grasping when to fight in the first place. Oberon struck me as a formidable warrior. Finn, not so much.

She was beaten by a novice because he had magical powers and a magical sword. Otherwise - there's zero chance that MC with his one single sword lesson beats someone who has been training for 200 years.

 

[ename144]

I agree. Strategically, the best course of action would be to let the Templars collapse completely, then wait and let the things the Templars fight run amok for a while, then when it's no longer possible to keep a secret, that's when you fight back - and then you can recruit soldiers from all over the world and probably raise all the money you need to equip and train them.

Sure, if you're obsessed with spilling the secret, that works. I'm more interested in learning who is enforcing the secret before I go poking them in the eye. See my previous comment about the cabal.

She was beaten by a novice because he had magical powers and a magical sword. Otherwise - there's zero chance that MC with his one single sword lesson beats someone who has been training for 200 years.

No, the MC was able to match Finnabair's reflexes and stamina because he had a magic sword. He was able to outthink and eventually defeat her because she was an idiot.

 

[Pixillin']

Sure, if you're obsessed with spilling the secret, that works. I'm more interested in learning who is enforcing the secret before I go poking them in the eye. See my previous comment about the cabal.


No, the MC was able to match Finnabair's reflexes and stamina because he had a magic sword. He was able to outthink and eventually defeat her because she was an idiot.

Hard disagree about Finn - but I'd definitely poke the cabal in the eye. Even the Templars say they can't handle everything because they're understaffed, and they're understaffed because it's the same handful of families + a few orphans here and there filling the ranks. If the secret was out there would be more than enough soldiers, you'd be able to have well trained, well armed guards at every passage into Neverwhere and the Templars wouldn't be able to turn into a greedy, corrupt, incompetent little cabal - hiding everything from public view. If the evil cabal - whoever they are - comes after MC for it, then so be it.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I see the Linnae illustration almost exactly inverted, because she was the only remotely competent member of Templar leadership we've seen, and she insisted on resigning at the first opportunity rather than rolling up her sleeves and fixing the damn problems. If her actions are so beyond the pale in Templar eyes then it's probably best to let the order collapse completely and build a new one from scratch - assuming there really is a useful role for them. I'm still waiting to learn what they actually *do*.

Linnae was forced to resign for making the decision to send the MC to see Neverwhere. She was trying to prepare him and do the right thing. She was pretty sure defying the council was going to cost her position, but she chose to do it because it was the right thing to do in her eyes.

I don't see Linnae as the one to lead the Templars, but I see her as someone who will do the best she can to support a leader/council she respects.

 

[Dessolos]

I'm actually worried about the MC's fight with the Nightingale I still don't think he is gonna really be able to put up a good fight unless he can activate his swords magic

 

[Pixillin']

I'm actually worried about the MC's fight with the Nightingale I still don't think he is gonna really be able to put up a good fight unless he can activate his swords magic

His odds will at least be better now, at least if you didn't kill Finn. You were mainly training with swords but still - 7 weeks of all day, every day exercise will have some benefits, and learning to fight at all will help - even without the sword, he still should have learned something about fighting. We also don't know the extent of his magical abilities, but that could come into play too.

 

[ename144]

Linnae was forced to resign for making the decision to send the MC to see Neverwhere. She was trying to prepare him and do the right thing. She was pretty sure defying the council was going to cost her position, but she chose to do it because it was the right thing to do in her eyes.

I don't see Linnae as the one to lead the Templars, but I see her as someone who will do the best she can to support a leader/council she respects.

I'm sorry, who exactly "forced" her to resign? No one. Linnae voluntarily quit before anyone had a chance to demand it because she felt she needed to set a good example for the heinous crime of doing something that wasn't explicitly permitted. In other words, she considers gridlock and inaction the platonic ideals of Templar service.

If that's the kind of leadership she wants, we're better off without her support. Trust me, I'm no fan of rash and unilateral actions, but the Templars - even ignoring their poor judgement - can barely agree on what to eat for breakfast without the MC's father around to break ties. She should be demanding the other bozos pull their heads out of their asses, not wringing her hands about pulling a fire alarm that was - Gasp! - outside of her jurisdiction!!!

His odds will at least be better now, at least if you didn't kill Finn. You were mainly training with swords but still - 7 weeks of all day, every day exercise will have some benefits, and learning to fight at all will help - even without the sword, he still should have learned something about fighting. We also don't know the extent of his magical abilities, but that could come into play too.

The last thing we need is the MC solving yet another problem thanks to his mysterious intuition.

As for his odds in a fair fistfight, they might not be that bad. Nightingale clearly has far more experience than him even with Finnabair's (optional) training, but she seems to be very much a "pistols first" sort of girl. She might be little more than an average boxer. That would still be more than enough to beat the old MC, and it's not like the attempt costs her all that much if she does lose.

Personally I wouldn't mind having the MC lose Durendal to her, both to finally punish him for his recklessness and also to shake up the old Chosen One tropes, but it's not implausible for him to win the match and that's what I expect to happen.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Dev Log Feb 28, 2025

Hey everyone,

I'll keep this one short because we're about to head to the hospital.
No real news from that front, sadly.

With the little time available, I focused on getting some renders done and a few animations because that's what I can best concentrate on right now.

The numbers for this week:
21 new static renders for a total of 1988
7 new animations for a total of 54
21 new lines in the script file for a total of 5702

Hope you guys have a nice weekend.

Cheers,
Ceo


Cheers!!

 

[ename144]

Dev Log Feb 28, 2025

Hey everyone,

I'll keep this one short because we're about to head to the hospital.
No real news from that front, sadly.

With the little time available, I focused on getting some renders done and a few animations because that's what I can best concentrate on right now.

The numbers for this week:
21 new static renders for a total of 1988
7 new animations for a total of 54
21 new lines in the script file for a total of 5702

Hope you guys have a nice weekend.

Cheers,
Ceo


Cheers!!

The numbers are down this week, for obvious reasons if you read the last dev diary. We're all hoping for the best, and I'm sorry we can't do more.

For those interest in the numbers, overall averages are now ~69 static renders, 1.9 animations and 197 lines per week since work on Chapter 6 began.

Spoiler: Charts - Week 29

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Best of luck, Ceolag!

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I'm sorry, who exactly "forced" her to resign? No one. Linnae voluntarily quit before anyone had a chance to demand it because she felt she needed to set a good example for the heinous crime of doing something that wasn't explicitly permitted. In other words, she considers gridlock and inaction the platonic ideals of Templar service.

If that's the kind of leadership she wants, we're better off without her support. Trust me, I'm no fan of rash and unilateral actions, but the Templars - even ignoring their poor judgement - can barely agree on what to eat for breakfast without the MC's father around to break ties. She should be demanding the other bozos pull their heads out of their asses, not wringing her hands about pulling a fire alarm that was - Gasp! - outside of her jurisdiction!!!

I recall Linnae saying she would be forced to resign. Perhaps I'm remembering wrong, but I am sure she made it clear. Regardless, Linnae knew what the end result would be. Assuming you are right, she still resigned knowing what the end result would be. It doesn't matter which one of us is right, it was only going to end one way. I think she made it pretty clear she isn't a fan of the direction of the Templars. At the bar and the sparring session and when sending the MC to Neverwhere. She is one of five votes, she could demand all she likes, Stathinator was never going to give a shit what she thought which negates her vote every time. You expect her to work miracles, that isn't going to happen unless there is a monumental change in the Templar structure. I've been in similar situation it sucks and there is stuff all you can do when the whole management structure is against you. You get to he point where its better to save yourself a lot of grief and distance yourself from them until a change takes place.

 

[Knightcvel]

I agree. Strategically, the best course of action would be to let the Templars collapse completely, then wait and let the things the Templars fight run amok for a while, then when it's no longer possible to keep a secret, that's when you fight back - and then you can recruit soldiers from all over the world and probably raise all the money you need to equip and train them.

I think the best course of action is helping one of the templar factions curb the other. Logically, helping the one with less members and after that become an ally to the Elves to hit the remaining.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Dev: "This game will have no incest path!"
Dev:


What a tease.

 

[Knightcvel]

Dev: "This game will have no incest path!"
Dev:

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What a tease.

It's fan service only, lol