Xythurr

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My 2 cents on how I currently think about solo endings:

When I first started the game I wanted to go about the harem and the solo endings a bit different than most games I myself played so far tend to do it. The MC was supposed to actively pursue a harem and then get get put to the test, the choice before him: Risk the second chance he got in hope to form his harem or take it with one girl he can be sure of that he can life a happy life with. Accordingly I've been trying to build up every girl to get into a position to fit for the later BEFORE giving the player the choice to reject her. I do like to think that I've been doing a decently good job at that but the more I've been doing this dev thing the more I've started to see other problems with my initial idea.

First: A story telling reason. Writing break ups for 5+ girls that feel appropriate to the build up of their relationships that came before seems increasingly challenging to me and this many break ups will probably get pretty old, pretty fast.

I could of course do it in narration only accompanied by a time skip but that again brings multiple problems in my mind: 1. It wouldn't be satisfying, 2. It would heavily disconnect the story lines forcing me to write 7+ paths at the same time, or 3. If I were to do it in a prologue kind of way where to choice for a girl is directly followed with her ending it would make the solo routes end way earlier than the harem route as I'm sure as hell not going to do a “harem is formed, game is ending” kind of harem ending.

Second: The amount of work it would require. When I planned the game at first I was very conscious about doing it in such a way that I could actually manage to finish it. Still, planning something like this without ever having done it and actually doing it are two entirely different pair of shoes. Neither is it helping that the effort that goes into the game went up drastically over the time of the development or that I was still studying and had a lot of free time when I started this project that I no longer have (The advice generally given to new devs to start with a small project has its merits but its hard to overcome ones own ambition).

Third: I always wanted this to be a tight-knit story with a lot of character each of which can stand on their own and only gets elevated by being forced to bounce off each other through this harem-building setting. But, the more I've been doing it this way the harder it seems to me to actually untangle all of this again to make satisfactory solo endings possible.

All in all the way I see it now and if I were able to start over it would probably have been better to either give the player the choice to pursue a girl right from the get to, or to go full force into the harem-building aspect of things making the choices not about who is part of the harem but instead the way it is build and the dynamics within. At least I think those would make for more clear cut paths that can still be interesting but such realizations come with experience especially if you try to be a snowflake in the market of harem avn's.

In the end its a miscalculation by me and even though I still like the idea of solo endings very much as I truly think every one of the main girls would be deserving of one, I would hate not to be able to bring the game to a satisfactory end even more. And having done this for a few years now (although I still feel like a new dev), knowing how much time this takes up and seeing how the story so far developed I'm simply getting increasingly worried that by making solo endings I will end up not being able to deliver either.
My opinion (Like it really matters lol) is to focus on the harem but like you said you have kind of written yourself into a corner with it.
That said I was always going to go for the harem anyways because all the girls are awesome. You may be the first dev to ever make a cast of girls where I don't dislike even one of them.
I also can't tell you how happy it makes me to read that you don't plan to just end the game when the harem is formed. That is fucking awesome!
Too many games give one orgy (if that) and just call it quits. When the harem is actually acknowledged is when things start to get REALLY interesting IMO.
That one statement alone has elevated you and your game to legendary status in my eyes.
Thanks for your hard work!
 
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DougsLeftNut

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My opinion (Like it really matters lol) is to focus on the harem but like you said you have kind of written yourself into a corner with it.
That said I was always going to go for the harem anyways because all the girls are fucking awesome. You may be the first dev to ever make a cast of girls where I don't dislike even one of them.
I also can't tell you how happy it makes me to read that you don't plan to just end the game when the harem is formed. That is fucking awesome!
Too many games give one orgy (if that) and just call it quits. When the harem is actually acknowledged is when things start to get REALLY interesting IMO.
That one statement alone has elevated you and your game to legendary status in my eyes.
Thanks for your hard work!
Just knowing he's not planning to go back and do a "remake" that will sit idle for three years and then go nowhere after getting back to where it was left without any momentum and minus a lot of favored content is nice. And yes, I hate that in almost every game, getting the "harem" is literally the end game and then there's just an abrupt ending after a sex scene and a few animations in an epilogue.
 

Tatsuya2022

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yesh i hope this game get what it deserves as 30 sex scenes with each of the main love interests and as on the form of a decent 20 scenes 1000 or 1500 renders as the final harem end


and as for plot twists is stuf that were no taked into consideration in the begining ... they can be added after as bonus stories or a part 2 of the game even...

go forward , developer go forward with the plot and made this one the most amazing games out there as it is till now ...


dont doubt on yourself , and 2k or 3k or 4k uhd is fine byt most of ppl now a days so yes or yes on that
 
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shitass1001

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Alright, all this talk about endings has me realizing you all are thinking on too small a scale, we know that there are 6 primary characters, 6 secondary characters, so 12 in total. You all are thinking too small, solo endings, harem endings? Bah! one ending for every combination, Ms clements and Emi? Mya, Lola, and Viktoria? Julia, Stephanie, Emi, and Jacky? You name it.

Baibai needs to make 12! endings, which is 479,001,600 possible combinations of characters. Lets say each ending needs to have 2-3 scenes total and a unique story for each, you are looking at least 958,003,200 to 1,437,004,800 sex scenes in the final update. Plus knowing how deep and verbose the narration is in this game, we are looking at at least 3K words per ending, which would mean the final update would have upwards of 1,437,004,800,000 words.

So baibai, the ball is in your court, I look forward to reading each ending when you finally release the update after the heat death of the universe.
 

MaxRichard

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Alright, all this talk about endings has me realizing you all are thinking on too small a scale, we know that there are 6 primary characters, 6 secondary characters, so 12 in total. You all are thinking too small, solo endings, harem endings? Bah! one ending for every combination, Ms clements and Emi? Mya, Lola, and Viktoria? Julia, Stephanie, Emi, and Jacky? You name it.

Baibai needs to make 12! endings, which is 479,001,600 possible combinations of characters. Lets say each ending needs to have 2-3 scenes total and a unique story for each, you are looking at least 958,003,200 to 1,437,004,800 sex scenes in the final update. Plus knowing how deep and verbose the narration is in this game, we are looking at at least 3K words per ending, which would mean the final update would have upwards of 1,437,004,800,000 words.

So baibai, the ball is in your court, I look forward to reading each ending when you finally release the update after the heat death of the universe.
I just really really want a Ms Clements, Alyvia, and Catherine ending
 
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Master of Puppets

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Alright, all this talk about endings has me realizing you all are thinking on too small a scale, we know that there are 6 primary characters, 6 secondary characters, so 12 in total. You all are thinking too small, solo endings, harem endings? Bah! one ending for every combination, Ms clements and Emi? Mya, Lola, and Viktoria? Julia, Stephanie, Emi, and Jacky? You name it.

Baibai needs to make 12! endings, which is 479,001,600 possible combinations of characters. Lets say each ending needs to have 2-3 scenes total and a unique story for each, you are looking at least 958,003,200 to 1,437,004,800 sex scenes in the final update. Plus knowing how deep and verbose the narration is in this game, we are looking at at least 3K words per ending, which would mean the final update would have upwards of 1,437,004,800,000 words.

So baibai, the ball is in your court, I look forward to reading each ending when you finally release the update after the heat death of the universe.
Or you could engage your brain for five seconds and realise that that is complete bullshit.
 

JeffisZac

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Alright, all this talk about endings has me realizing you all are thinking on too small a scale, we know that there are 6 primary characters, 6 secondary characters, so 12 in total. You all are thinking too small, solo endings, harem endings? Bah! one ending for every combination, Ms clements and Emi? Mya, Lola, and Viktoria? Julia, Stephanie, Emi, and Jacky? You name it.

Baibai needs to make 12! endings, which is 479,001,600 possible combinations of characters. Lets say each ending needs to have 2-3 scenes total and a unique story for each, you are looking at least 958,003,200 to 1,437,004,800 sex scenes in the final update. Plus knowing how deep and verbose the narration is in this game, we are looking at at least 3K words per ending, which would mean the final update would have upwards of 1,437,004,800,000 words.

So baibai, the ball is in your court, I look forward to reading each ending when you finally release the update after the heat death of the universe.
11/10 ragebait ngl
 
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shitass1001

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11/10 ragebait ngl
Ragebait? oh no no no no no, I believe every word I said, cant you tell? Clearly when I said "I look forward to reading each ending when you finally release the update after the heat death of the universe." I meant it whole heartedly :LOL: :ROFLMAO:
I can't tell if you're trolling, or actually dumb enough to believe what you're saying, and the fact that you got the numbers wrong doesn't help make up my mind.
Youre right... I am sorry. It definitely wouldnt take Baibai until the heat death of the universe to complete the update
 

Sh4dyW0lf

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Alright, all this talk about endings has me realizing you all are thinking on too small a scale, we know that there are 6 primary characters, 6 secondary characters, so 12 in total. You all are thinking too small, solo endings, harem endings? Bah! one ending for every combination, Ms clements and Emi? Mya, Lola, and Viktoria? Julia, Stephanie, Emi, and Jacky? You name it.

Baibai needs to make 12! endings, which is 479,001,600 possible combinations of characters. Lets say each ending needs to have 2-3 scenes total and a unique story for each, you are looking at least 958,003,200 to 1,437,004,800 sex scenes in the final update. Plus knowing how deep and verbose the narration is in this game, we are looking at at least 3K words per ending, which would mean the final update would have upwards of 1,437,004,800,000 words.

So baibai, the ball is in your court, I look forward to reading each ending when you finally release the update after the heat death of the universe.
Oh great . . . now I have to source "Industrial Size" personal lube and vitamin supplements - and most of my sand is at the bottom of my hourglass :(. FOMO vibe is getting stronger . . .

On a positive note, Baibai might be onto something here: After the "initial conclusion", he could commission Custom Combo DLCs as a steady income for the rest of his life :D
 

Gzowl_LiP

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How many women are there in total here? (doesn't need to be an exact number)

And does the mc bang side characters?

I'm in the mood for quantity, but most games with quantity seem to look like ass. This one looks good from the screenshots.
 
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