Others Abandoned Ways of Life [v0.88] [RALX Games Productions]

[Sam]

IPs were shared across multiple dynamic residential IPs, as well as residential mobile/cellular IPs.

It's not a VPN, unless you're claiming you're operating a VPN from home with a dynamic IP address, which also has another ISP's IPs in the same pool, in which case, I don't believe you.

 

[Vegeta Sama]

IPs were shared across multiple dynamic residential IPs, as well as residential mobile/cellular IPs.

It's not a VPN, unless you're claiming you're operating a VPN from home with a dynamic IP address, which also has another ISP's IPs in the same pool, in which case, I don't believe you.

As I told before I can give you a proof turning down the main node.
We're using private Linux servers with dynamic iPs attacked to DuckDns (with cron) to mantain a static address to them.
Shall I really explain how our private systems work?

 

[Sam]

As I told before I can give you a proof turning down the main node.
We're using private Linux servers with dynamic iPs attacked to DuckDns (with cron) to mantain a static address to them.
Shall I really explain how our private systems work?

Yes, because I still don't believe you.

What is your reasoning behind setting up a VPN behind a residential connection with dynamic IPs from 2 separate residential ISPs.

 

[zielony2]

That's quite simple: private VPN too, always coming from The Circle Crew.
We got 4 VPNs (that we share under subscriptions fee), and I could show you ,Thrownaway13 how turning off the primary node on the main server automagically all connections will switch to transparent... but this will give me issues with all the people using our service. If it's strictly necessary, I can go on without any problem after our users will give me the permission to do that.


Were they entitled to do that?

I only know about Polish army, similar system was used by tmobile (but not the same)

 

[Vegeta Sama]

Yes, because I still don't believe you.

What is your reasoning behind setting up a VPN behind a residential connection with dynamic IPs from 2 separate residential ISPs.

Now you should be able to see my transparent IP.
I can switch to the third ISP too if you want.
Because dynamic IPs are better than static ones, we can keep the static address to reach through the alignment done with DuckDNS.
Plus the cost, a residential connection cost is 70% lower than a business one.

 

[Sam]

Now you should be able to see my transparent IP.
I can switch to the third ISP too if you want.
Because dynamic IPs are better than static ones, we can keep the static address to reach through the alignment done with DuckDNS.
Plus the cost, a residential connection cost is 70% lower than a business one.

And why are you all sharing this 1 VPN with 2/3 separate uplinks?

 

[Vegeta Sama]

Originally this thing has born to keep the server we used in crew free from attacks keeping it under random dynamic address repeatly, and this reduced dramatically the number of bot attacks.
After that time, I was in the needing of VPS for some web development (a classic XAMP), but putting a physical server that I could physically access for upgrade and backups was less expensive than renting one with the same power in some random part of the world. Then after that we put the DRM server under the same system. Then after browsing around with free vpns was hugely slow compared to this system, so the light bulb turned on and I decided to raise up the first vpn server. After they went 4 (because other crew members wanted a vpn too). So no, that's not 1 VPN with 3 separate uplinks, but 4 physical different lines placed in 4 different places as you can surely see from logs, I left the other node up for other users

 

[Sam]

Originally this thing has born to keep the server we used in crew free from attacks keeping it under random dynamic address repeatly, and this reduced dramatically the number of bot attacks.
After that time, I was in the needing of VPS for some web development (a classic XAMP), but putting a physical server that I could physically access for upgrade and backups was less expensive than renting one with the same power in some random part of the world. Then after that we put the DRM server under the same system. Then after browsing around with free vpns was hugely slow compared to this system, so the light bulb turned on and I decided to raise up the first vpn server. After they went 4 (because other crew members wanted a vpn too). So no, that's not 1 VPN with 3 separate uplinks, but 4 physical different lines placed in 4 different places as you can surely see from logs, I left the other node up for other users

So, you're leasing 4 residential lines (which seem to be ADSL and cellular), in different parts of the country, for tunnels to a local server, to share between multiple members of a crew, because this was a cheaper and easier option than just getting nordvpn for $3 per month? Or a VPS for $2-5 /month? Or a dedi for $15-50 /month?

None of the ISPs you've utilised appear to sell VPNs/tunnels, servers or anything similar. So, are these residential uplinks in different locations provided by members of the "crew"? Or do you just have random properties across the country that you can tunnel to?

 

[Vegeta Sama]

Uplinks provided by crew members. About nordvpn, why pay if these private servers are free and can be used for almost everything?

$15-50? Of which power? Can you tell me how much will it cost having something like that? Plus VirtualBox on h24. Based on 4TB RAID-5 hard drives pool attached (both of them)? $50 per month?

Of course they're not only used as vpn server, but for other things too.

 

[Cycocidal]

$15-50? Of which power? Can you tell me how much will it cost having something like that? Plus VirtualBox on h24. Based on 4TB RAID-5 hard drives pool attached (both of them)? $50 per month?

How many 4TB drives are running? That's kind of a factor in this.

 

[dave420]

cheats dont work idk did all like instructed but idk what to put in the code field either nothing or 1850 nothing works stuck at waiting for response

 

[Cycocidal]

cheats dont work idk did all like instructed but idk what to put in the code field either nothing or 1850 nothing works stuck at waiting for response

Read up a bit... That's been disabled by the Dev working with Vegeta Sama above. In fact, reading the dev's patreon, it seems anybody who at one point used, or tried to use, have been banned from playing the game even through legit means now.

 

[Vegeta Sama]

How many 4TB drives are running? That's kind of a factor in this.

Physically they're 4.
Digitally they're 1.
It will always report 2tb of space, but the fs is more resilient and strong to avoid failures \ data damages.

And... nope, I don't work WITH the game's developer.
He\she's just using my drm system. lol

 

[Cycocidal]

Physically they're 4.
Digitally they're 1.
It will always report 2tb of space, but the fs is more resilient and strong to avoid failures \ data damages.

And... nope, I don't work WITH the game's developer.
He\she's just using my drm system. lol

Sorry, what I meant by "worked with" was you provided the IP's and means of performing his update(upgrade?) to do what he did.

Also, I'm a bit puzzled as to why a RAID5 with four drives... it's unreliable and clunky. Why not just RAID1+0 which is essentially the same, but with higher performance and more parity and recovery options?

 

[Sam]

Uplinks provided by crew members.

If these uplinks are provided by crew members, then whats the point of using the connections as a VPN if they're just tunneling back to their own connections?

About nordvpn, why pay if these private servers are free and can be used for almost everything?

Because ADSL and cellular connections are trash?

$15-50? Of which power? Can you tell me how much will it cost having something like that? Plus VirtualBox on h24. Based on 4TB RAID-5 hard drives pool attached (both of them)? $50 per month?

I thought you said Linux? And:

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Of course they're not only used as vpn server, but for other things too.

I'm sure you're aware you could get a 200Mbps-1Gbps burst VPS for $5 /m and use it as a tunnel for your local servers.

 

[Vegeta Sama]

Sorry, what I meant by "worked with" was you provided the IP's and means of performing his update(upgrade?) to do what he did.

Np lol
Yeah that server upgrade is causing troubles because it was totally flooded by unwanted connections so that caused a partial data lost and required a disaster recovery.

Also, I'm a bit puzzled as to why a RAID5 with four drives... it's unreliable and clunky. Why not just RAID1+0 which is essentially the same, but with higher performance and more parity and recovery options?

Because when you manage tons of datas RAID5 is safer. We experienced a data loss with two WD-GREEN drives in RAID1+0, so we switched to WD-RED RAID5 system and on the contrary of the previous experience it's working like a charm.

If these uplinks are provided by crew members, then whats the point of using the connections as a VPN if they're just tunneling back to their own connections?

Maybe because the connection tunneled is not the primary one..

Because ADSL and cellular connections are trash?

Not ADSL but fiber, and no, they're totally not 'trash'..

I thought you said Linux? And:

Linux, under VM. (Virtualbox)

....OVH I worked with them years ago. lol

I'm sure you're aware you could get a 200Mbps-1Gbps burst VPS for $5 /m and use it as a tunnel for your local servers.

Or, we can get for free 200MBps fiber line without spending a penny when crew members will share their private workstations.
The union of the team makes the power.

I don't know what's your country mate, but there's another thing too. Here, when managing sensitive data is strictly forbidden by law getting a server outiside of this country. And of course that server runs more than one app. So far, I spare time in a scheduled cloning process of a machine creating an image of it and sent to an attached NAS and restore it in a night if the server dies, than calling some support center in a remote part of the world and wait for "technical super expert paid help" that takes up to 72hours. Open the ticket, wait for someone will make the miracle to answer... Already been on this, never again in my life. When something is yours, timings, maintenance, etc. are up to you and you only.

 

[Sam]

Because when you manage tons of datas RAID5 is safer. We experienced a data loss with two WD-GREEN drives in RAID1+0, so we switched to WD-RED RAID5 system and on the contrary of the previous experience it's working like a charm.

RAID 5 can only recover from a single disk failure. RAID 10 is not only safer but much faster.

Maybe because the connection tunneled is not the primary one..

What?

Not ADSL but fiber, and no, they're totally not 'trash'..

The IP whois says ADSL and cellular.

Linux, under VM. (Virtualbox)

Why on earth would you use windows as the host OS for linux VMs on a production machine?

Or, we can get for free 200MBps fiber line without spending a penny when crew members will share their private workstations.
The union of the team makes the power.

P2P VPNs don't work if you want privacy or security, which you mentioned was one of your primary intentions.

Here, when managing sensitive data is strictly forbidden by law getting a server outiside of this country.

But leaking IPs is fine? GDPR much?

I think we've entertained this long enough, your explanation doesn't make any sense.

Vegeta Sama has been banned alongside RALX for leaking IPs. Combined with their shared IPs, our logs show RALX logging out and Vegeta Sama logging in seconds later. However, regardless of if they're alts or not, at the very least they have admitted to being members of the same group, and we have a zero tolerance for the leaking of personal information or IPs.

 

[Macari]

I guess ways of Life is dead on here lol, unless another member uploads it.

Good Job Sam, grea eyes and great catch on the GDPR breach.

 

[Cycocidal]

I guess ways of Life is dead on here lol, unless another member uploads it.

Good Job Sam, grea eyes and great catch on the GDPR breach.

There is no point in uploading anymore, with the DRM paywall, and a fix for the crack the only way to get the game is through patreon now.

 

[fivesteaks]

There is no point in uploading anymore, with the DRM paywall, and a fix for the crack the only way to get the game is through patreon now.

It's funny, I had just deleted my copy of 0.5.8a (because let's be honest, this game is a waste of space) before looking at these replies... now I kinda wish I hadn't. This "we 'fixed' the crack and are publishing IPs because REEEE PAY US MONEY" really rubs me the wrong way. I'm pretty sure I could post up a fully-unlocked version here in short order that didn't do any of the phone home crap at all (considering these devs appear to be rank amateurs at best).

At this point the devs have outed themselves and confirmed what we all suspected them to be so I'm content to let sleeping dogs lie. There are so many better games to play that aren't written by self-entitled douchebags, why bother with this one any longer?