VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

So it's not about the old WIAB, it's about how it connects to SG. On that basis, the old WIAB and the new WIAB are Kinetic novels whose sole purpose is your arrival at SG.
Interesting way of looking at it, clearly I don't agree one bit. But you have a point, it would be admitting that the total rework of WIAB was almost exclusively to turn it into "that other game that connects with SG".

I mean, kinetic means there are moving parts, as opposed to a comic. To some extent, everything is a kinetic novel if the author has an end point for each story. Every RPG I've played follows the logic of a kinetic novel, with the movement being the fetch quests and the romance to 'personalise' the experience.

In other VN's when you get offered a choice 'do you wish to see it?' regards a lewd scene, it's just bad planning. A better writer puts that choice as 'brush them off' or 'make nasty remark'. A great writer puts in the effort to make a path where the LI doesn't look at you like a lost puppy if you brush them off. Regardless of those movements, if the start and end are fixed points you have a tuned string that vibrates at a pitch, there is movement in the middle, but ultimately all paths will converge to the end game. In RPGS, the post game endings show the choices in the most peripheral manner, you still fought the same boss fight. So I anticipate the same logic, give or take.

 

[sorco2003]

I mean, kinetic means there are moving parts, as opposed to a comic. To some extent, everything is a kinetic novel if the author has an end point for each story. Every RPG I've played follows the logic of a kinetic novel, with the movement being the fetch quests and the romance to 'personalise' the experience.

In other VN's when you get offered a choice 'do you wish to see it?' regards a lewd scene, it's just bad planning. A better writer puts that choice as 'brush them off' or 'make nasty remark'. A great writer puts in the effort to make a path where the LI doesn't look at you like a lost puppy if you brush them off. Regardless of those movements, if the start and end are fixed points you have a tuned string that vibrates at a pitch, there is movement in the middle, but ultimately all paths will converge to the end game. In RPGS, the post game endings show the choices in the most peripheral manner, you still fought the same boss fight. So I anticipate the same logic, give or take.

Basically, the same thing that happens in absolutely all AVNs, including SG.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Basically, the same thing that happens in absolutely all AVNs, including SG.

Exactly - so my original point is that the nature of the choices for WiaB are fixed to what moves the plot forward, and I'm pretty confident Ocean will allow plenty of flavour along the way. Original WiaB felt like the choices were almost irrelevant as the plot dragged the player around in weird ways, almost irrespective of choice.

In the rework I think we'll have more reasons to make choices, even if certain outcomes are guaranteeds, such as Ayua and ZPR. And Katie remaining a badass.

 

[sorco2003]

Exactly - so my original point is that the nature of the choices for WiaB are fixed to what moves the plot forward, and I'm pretty confident Ocean will allow plenty of flavour along the way. Original WiaB felt like the choices were almost irrelevant as the plot dragged the player around in weird ways, almost irrespective of choice.

In the rework I think we'll have more reasons to make choices, even if certain outcomes are guaranteeds, such as Ayua and ZPR. And Katie remaining a badass.

This last statement is very contradictory.

 

[Meushi]

I mean, kinetic means there are moving parts, as opposed to a comic.

That's not what kinetic novel means in the VN space though, by misusing the term you've introduced some confusion into the point you're making.

A kinetic novel is a VN with literally no choices:
f95 tag: Kinetic Novel [Used when a visual novel style game presents the player with no choices.]

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: A kinetic novel is a VN that does not present the "player" with any choices at all; they simply read through a single unbranching story.

So a kinetic novel is very much a comic in essence. Neither WIAB or SG are kinetic novels.

 

[murphy88]

Hello, I have not been able to follow the thread lately, has the cause of the delay been explained? the last I heard was that Cap3 was coming out at the end of November or early December....

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

Hello, I have not been able to follow the thread lately, has the cause of the delay been explained? the last I heard was that Cap3 was coming out at the end of November or early December....

There is a dev log just posted a page or two back..

 

[NebulousShooter]

There is a dev log just posted a page or two back..

Still 2 routes of cake's game, but since I was away I was thinking I will fo' sure come back to this thread to a dl link, sorco2003 what do you have to say in your defense?

 

[sorco2003]

Still 2 routes of cake's game, but since I was away I was thinking I will fo' sure come back to this thread to a dl link, sorco2003 what do you have to say in your defense?

That the cake´s game came out. I don't know, think about it.

 

[Ass prefer]

The game is very beautiful and the women are beautiful. the potential is great. I hope there will be a lot of sex. and regular updates.

 

[BobTheDuck]

That's not what kinetic novel means in the VN space though, by misusing the term you've introduced some confusion into the point you're making.

A kinetic novel is a VN with literally no choices:
f95 tag: Kinetic Novel [Used when a visual novel style game presents the player with no choices.]

You must be registered to see the links

: A kinetic novel is a VN that does not present the "player" with any choices at all; they simply read through a single unbranching story.

So a kinetic novel is very much a comic in essence. Neither WIAB or SG are kinetic novels.

If that's what the definition is here, I'll bow out embarrassed. But saying something is kinetic when it is static is a misuse of the term kinetic in the first place. Language adapts I guess, a rose by any other name is an elephant?

 

[slightchance]

I still dont understand the vargue language of the last SG post (no hate) I mean he said polish is done and testers dont need more than a day because the update is straight foward but in the last SG post he talks about upcoming days (which can mean anything) and also soon before chirstmas?? but I tought that the game is already at the testers that wont need longer than a dayso i am confused

What are you confused about? You've been here long enough to know that you can't trust a word they say. There are only a few exceptions. Oceanlab is just another dev in a long line people who love to bend the truth. There are no consequences to it so they will keep doing it. He probably congratulated himself for being such a hard worker when he wrote the lines about McD. Then he jerked off to it and the post nut clarity made him realise he can't do anything of what he just posted. Meh, who cares. I'll get my money. Here are some boring renders as collateral. It's all about that steam cash now.

 

[Meushi]

If that's what the definition is here, I'll bow out embarrassed. But saying something is kinetic when it is static is a misuse of the term kinetic in the first place. Language adapts I guess, a rose by any other name is an elephant?

Have a look at the VNDB link, it explains why kinetic is used in this context (not just at f95).

 

[BobTheDuck]

Have a look at the VNDB link, it explains why kinetic is used in this context (not just at f95).

I'll accept that logic, even if it triggers me despite my frequent typos. Ignore my incorrect use of the term. I still stand by my opinion of the way the plot structure will likely go, and how very few novels actually offer the marketed "meaningful choices" regardless of terminology. It's at least something to do while waiting for CH3 to appear

 

[mommysboiii]

What are you confused about? You've been here long enough to know that you can't trust a word they say. There are only a few exceptions. Oceanlab is just another dev in a long line people who love to bend the truth. There are no consequences to it so they will keep doing it. He probably congratulated himself for being such a hard worker when he wrote the lines about McD. Then he jerked off to it and the post nut clarity made him realise he can't do anything of what he just posted. Meh, who cares. I'll get my money. Here are some boring renders as collateral. It's all about that steam cash now.

I mean ocean is normaly trustworthy so i dont get the hate but I still dont understand why he cant give a date if he is already finished and the game has been tested I mean just be honest and say I wait for the router to come or there are bugs no idea what happend but I would just communicate that

 

[Cabin Fever]

If that's what the definition is here, I'll bow out embarrassed. But saying something is kinetic when it is static is a misuse of the term kinetic in the first place. Language adapts I guess, a rose by any other name is an elephant?

While I entirely agree the name Kinetic Novel is a confusing misnomer (I fell for the same confusion many many suns and moons ago too), it's not just the definition here. It's the de-facto definition for the sub-genre of VN with no choices.

 

[BobTheDuck]

While I entirely agree the name Kinetic Novel is a confusing misnomer (I fell for the same confusion many many suns and moons ago too), it's not just the definition here. It's the de-facto definition for the sub-genre of VN with no choices.

If I manage to keep that as my biggest faux pas here I guess I'll consider myself lucky

 

[Cabin Fever]

If I manage to keep that as my biggest faux pas here I guess I'll consider myself lucky

It shows good temperament when one can do a public mea culpa, unlike some that doubles down on a proven mistake...

 

[Dr Huge Vee]

OCEAN - Update is gonna come in a few days

Me -

 

[hellomate1]

If I manage to keep that as my biggest faux pas here I guess I'll consider myself lucky

I'd consider it a very non-issue, especially since you've been very cordial about it. There are a lot that get super aggro over nothing, or something that's been politely explained, even just in this thread. Plus, I've said much dumber things here, so I'd say you're good.