RPGM Zombie's Retreat 2: Gridlocked [v0.22 Beta] [Siren's Domain]

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reaper9555

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Dec 12, 2020
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This is such a weak mentality that pretty much says "please developers keep abusing me!".

People are allowed to criticise stuff they don't approve of, and they do not need to be experts at the criticised topic. Fans dont need to be professional players to criticise football players. Customers don't need to be michelin chefs to criticise the food they eat at a restaurant. Citizens don't have to be economists to complain about failing economies, nor do they need to be master administrators to criticise their governments.

If you honestly think the money Siren makes justifies the bare minimum effort they put towards their games, you can voice that without making a statement that reeks of appealing to authority.

5k gross a month is an amount of money only a few indie developers can even dream of.
I simply saw someone proclaimed that he could make a game of same caliber within one week and as any normal human being, I asked him/her to do it instead of yapping to prove his point, that's all.

Is it that bad that I wanted someone to make a free game for me to play on a pirate site?
 

Ruvu

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Sep 17, 2018
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I simply saw someone proclaimed that he could make a game of same caliber within one week and as any normal human being, I asked him/her to do it instead of yapping to prove his point, that's all.

Is it that bad that I wanted someone to make a free game for me to play on a pirate site?
Oh my god, you are so cute with this sarcasm. This "pirate" site is main promotion platform for lewd devs, you know? Yes, you know.

What caliber you mean? You call THIS caliber? Once again, this is a game on ready-made assets on a ready-made engine, with simple mechanics, with static art and very simply animated sex scenes in one angle, even without orgasm animations. Siren just has a good taste in putting it all together so that everything looks coherent.

You are using boring, funny tactics to shame me. I point out the problem, you shift the problem to me. At the same time, I say that there are other developers who do their job honestly and please us with the result. The problem is that you and many others live in a world of illusions, thinking that some developers are trying very hard and they need to throw even more money at them, as if this will affect the result.

I did not say that I plan to make my own game, but I understand technology well enough thanks to my main job and can confidently say what is ridiculously easy to do and what is difficult to do. When with the improvement of development tools, the increase of your experience over the years of work and the growth of your fan base your speed of work only slows down, and the quality stands still, then it is worth thinking about.

Thanks to Siren and ScarlettAnn for what they do, but they managed to hook everyone because of nice art and a good idea (hello Nergal). Everyone has developed an addiction. At the same time, they always keep their audience in a state of lack of content and do not strive to involve more people in development. He does not want to make a game, he wants to stretch out the process and turn it into a stable inflow of funds with a minimum of effort. Without providing the audience with enough content.

What will happen to the game in future? We will still get 1-2 simple scenes every few months. The already small efforts in development will be eaten up by unnecessary events tied to holidays - Halloween, Christmas, etc. More and more new girls will be introduced, and relationships with the current ones will stagnate. We won't have normal long satisfying scenes with several girls at once, as there were none in any Siren game before. The plot will stand still for as long as possible, and then end very quickly when Siren wants to start another new game. etc. Nothing will change for the better, you will not get what you want.

Another good example - NLT, that's where the development progress is obvious. Here's whose skills, quality of work, and amount of content grow over time.
 

reaper9555

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Dec 12, 2020
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Oh my god, you are so cute with this sarcasm. This "pirate" site is main promotion platform for lewd devs, you know? Yes, you know.

What caliber you mean? You call THIS caliber? Once again, this is a game on ready-made assets on a ready-made engine, with simple mechanics, with static art and very simply animated sex scenes in one angle, even without orgasm animations. Siren just has a good taste in putting it all together so that everything looks coherent.

You are using boring, funny tactics to shame me. I point out the problem, you shift the problem to me. At the same time, I say that there are other developers who do their job honestly and please us with the result. The problem is that you and many others live in a world of illusions, thinking that some developers are trying very hard and they need to throw even more money at them, as if this will affect the result.

I did not say that I plan to make my own game, but I understand technology well enough thanks to my main job and can confidently say what is ridiculously easy to do and what is difficult to do. When with the improvement of development tools, the increase of your experience over the years of work and the growth of your fan base your speed of work only slows down, and the quality stands still, then it is worth thinking about.

Thanks to Siren and ScarlettAnn for what they do, but they managed to hook everyone because of nice art and a good idea (hello Nergal). Everyone has developed an addiction. At the same time, they always keep their audience in a state of lack of content and do not strive to involve more people in development. He does not want to make a game, he wants to stretch out the process and turn it into a stable inflow of funds with a minimum of effort. Without providing the audience with enough content.

What will happen to the game in future? We will still get 1-2 simple scenes every few months. The already small efforts in development will be eaten up by unnecessary events tied to holidays - Halloween, Christmas, etc. More and more new girls will be introduced, and relationships with the current ones will stagnate. We won't have normal long satisfying scenes with several girls at once, as there were none in any Siren game before. The plot will stand still for as long as possible, and then end very quickly when Siren wants to start another new game. etc. Nothing will change for the better, you will not get what you want.

Another good example - NLT, that's where the development progress is obvious. Here's whose skills, quality of work, and amount of content grow over time.
Again, all i'm saying is do it in one week to prove your point, there's no need for the wall of word.

And btw, nobody is shaming you. Can't you see that I'm encouraging another potential game developer like you to create free game for all of us to play? I'm sure this is all very easy for you.
 

repla

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Again, all i'm saying is do it in one week to prove your point, there's no need for the wall of word.

And btw, nobody is shaming you. Can't you see that I'm encouraging another potential game developer like you to create free game for all of us to play? I'm sure this is all very easy for you.
He would be proving his point as long as he can put out more than 20 content updates within 5 years. I do not understand why you are so adamantly trying to steer the argument to something completely irrelevant?

RPG Maker is an engine that is specifically made so that you can output content dense games as quickly and easily as possible and has been so for the past 3 decades or so, you do not need to act like Siren is Sisyphus, RPGM is the hill, and Zombie's Retreat 2 is the boulder. Even solo project indie games that are made from the ground up with proper assets and much more programming heavy engines don't take 5 years unless the scope of the said game is enormous.

Having a sarcastic tone doesn't get you ahead in a discussion when you don't have an actual argument.
 
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reaper9555

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He would be proving his point as long as he can put out more than 20 content updates within 5 years.
Except he isn't.

I do not understand why you are so adamantly trying to steer the argument to something completely irrelevant?
I been very consistent with my argument while you guys are the one keep steering away. He/she said he can do it in one week, I told him to do it in one week then, that's all. I want free game, is it that hard to understand? Dude, English isn't even my first language.
 
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Lonelyman12345

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Except he isn't.



I been very consistent with my argument while you guys are the one keep steering away. He/she said he can do it in one week, I told him to do it in one week then, that's all. I want free game, is it that hard to understand? Dude, English isn't even my first language.
hey ill counter you with information zombie retreat which i think we all can say has more content and is more complete started feb 18 2018 its full release came out oct 29 2020 so rounding it up 3 years zombie retreat first came out march 21 2021 and last update is march 31 2025 4 years.... so your telling me ZR2 which has less content less scenes does not look complete anywhere in the next year or two has more money cause ZR1 was such a big success that hes not milking so we can talk about the other games he put out but lets be honest those were all excuse to milk this game you can be upset about it but thats what hes doing and it wont change unless the money goes away from
 
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Ruvu

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Just leave it here -

Some random guy create more content for Summertime Saga, than Dark Cookie for entire development period. Even quality is better. And every animation have tens of variations with different characters.
 
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