Ren'Py A Home in the Desert [v0.4.5] [Misarmor]

[Fortress205]

So, why are the saves from the older versions unplayable in the newer versions? Don't get me wrong, the game is great and all. But starting the game over and over again isn't something any of us wants, I think that's fair to assume.

 

[Misarmor]

So, why are the saves from the older versions unplayable in the newer versions? Don't get me wrong, the game is great and all. But starting the game over and over again isn't something any of us wants, I think that's fair to assume.

It's an engine limitation. Adding even a single variable can mess up save compatibility. Now it's fine for visual novels that can get away with only having like 4 variables for potential branching paths, but for a game like mine with hundreds of variables, that's just not possible.

 

[Zhileps]

how much content is in the game?..

 

[roro108]

OLD SAVE DOESNT WORK

 

[Marcus_S]

OLD SAVE DOESNT WORK

No, they DON'T.
And the reason for that is in the 2nd post up from your one, made by the dev.

 

[Marcus_S]

how much content is in the game?..

About 950 images and over 2000 lines, which is about 116 000 characters. 1.58 GB of data.

 

[Y2k94]

how do i get eves masturbation scene? i had it in the previous build but can't seem to get it started in the new one.

 

[Marcus_S]

how do i get eves masturbation scene? i had it in the previous build but can't seem to get it started in the new one.

It hasn't changed, you can see it the same way.
Go to her room at 2 PM, DON'T go with her running (choose "Nevermind"), go to her room at 5 PM. Enjoy.

 

[tuekop]

So...mc find money but everytime wanting to buy something need to ask eve.
i guess in the future there will be no rape or sleep sex

 

[Misarmor]

So...mc find money but everytime wanting to buy something need to ask eve.
i guess in the future there will be no rape or sleep sex

No, this is not a rape game

 

[warrenbzh]

how much content is in the game?..

Sexual content? Not much, there is not much unfortunately.
I am a fan of Sandbox games, of grind but there needs to be more sexual content as a reward in this type of game

 

[Gabo69780]

Very good game, i’ll wait for the next release

 

[thefattestcat]

For the sake of clarity: 0.X -> content update, 0.X.X, fixes/improvements. This was the case for 0.2 and 0.2.1 and the only exception was 0.3.1 where I did add 2 dream sex scenes.
If you haven't played 0.4, I recommend playing it as there is a lot of new content there, most notably the introduction of the first job/route (Riley's). If you have played 0.4, then you won't see any difference in content from 0.4 to 0.4.1 (actually there is a very subtle one, but probably not worth playing again for most people).
I would only recomment playing 0.4.1 if you've played 0.4 if you've been blocked by any reason in 0.4 that's now fixed in 0.4.1, and you couldn't have seen all content for that reason.

I mean... You know what we're here for, right?

 

[Marcus_S]

I mean... You know what we're here for, right?

Is it cake? It's cake, right?

 

[WuzzyFuzzy]

It's an engine limitation. Adding even a single variable can mess up save compatibility. Now it's fine for visual novels that can get away with only having like 4 variables for potential branching paths, but for a game like mine with hundreds of variables, that's just not possible.

Not trying to be antagonistic, but it is possible to have a game with hundreds of variables and not start over each release. You're describing programmer limitations, not engine limitations. This is why a story should be written in its entirety, then coded, setting aside variables as they will be needed. But if each release the developer chooses to add or change things based on whims, then breaking saves is the result. I think you will find that continuing in that fashion will necessarily trigger the law of diminishing returns. More and more folks will become irritated which will lead to increased negativity and antagonism in this forum (and possibly elsewhere). My advice is to draw a line in the sand and go with what you have.

You're learning and have a pretty good game in the making, so keep at it, you'll get better.

 

[Misarmor]

Not trying to be antagonistic, but it is possible to have a game with hundreds of variables and not start over each release. You're describing programmer limitations, not engine limitations. This is why a story should be written in its entirety, then coded, setting aside variables as they will be needed. But if each release the developer chooses to add or change things based on whims, then breaking saves is the result. I think you will find that continuing in that fashion will necessarily trigger the law of diminishing returns. More and more folks will become irritated which will lead to increased negativity and antagonism in this forum (and possibly elsewhere). My advice is to draw a line in the sand and go with what you have.

You're learning and have a pretty good game in the making, so keep at it, you'll get better.

You realize that story elements aren't the only things that require variables, right?

 

[ich0]

You realize that story elements aren't the only things that require variables, right?

I am not sure what programming language renpy works with or what the framework limits you with, so I cant be sure to know what to do (sadly).

In general, you could plan the future possible content for some planned versions and set aside the variables. (not that you are forbidden to revamp the program and break saves)
For example, you can generate a list of characters and events for each place, you can then add and work with them without adding more new variables. If you add something, you can initialize them all with standard values.

In my head, this could help a lot if the framework gives you the freedom to do so.

 

[WuzzyFuzzy]

You realize that story elements aren't the only things that require variables, right?

I do. But that is the foundation from which everything flows.

 

[Misarmor]

I do. But that is the foundation from which everything flows.

And?

 

[Misarmor]

I am not sure what programming language renpy works with or what the framework limits you with, so I cant be sure to know what to do (sadly).

In general, you could plan the future possible content for some planned versions and set aside the variables. (not that you are forbidden to revamp the program and break saves)
For example, you can generate a list of characters and events for each place, you can then add and work with them without adding more new variables. If you add something, you can initialize them all with standard values.

In my head, this could help a lot if the framework gives you the freedom to do so.

You answered your own question in your question. Even if I take months to plan things ahead, all the minigames, systems required for X or Y story line, if I forget ever 1 variable for a system that system will possibly unusable, and those months of planning will have been useless.

What I could do for the future is to prepare saves for every version I release, a "skip to content" if you will. But with the relatively small amount of content the game has (you can complete everything in about 2 hours if you're a new playern perhaps less), I didn't think that was necessary.