VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Elduriel]

Ah well, I just want to have a separate route/save where I'm not dating anyone in the likely case that Nikita becomes an LI. Also, how to get that truth table? It's been over a year since I last played so I have kind of forgotten many of the mechanics lol.

https://thef95zone.info/threads/universal-renpy-mod-urm-2-6-mod-any-renpy-game-yourself.48025/

 

[Harker Warker Parker]

Thanks

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

I see... how unfortunate.
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I expected more from you

Got it!

So that's why she is "Cinderella" now.

 

[4Zero9Zero]

Got it!

So that's why she is "Cinderella" now.

Now you get to enjoy the wait for Ep12 wondering where it's going to lead

 

[TomUK]

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im an ass for dating Bella and Jill but seeing how E8 is called Crossroads and its a Major Choice of who you want to end up with) im still going for Jill in my next run im doing a full Bella play

You can date both fully up to when you have to make the choice between them, thing is that you better make sure you're not DIK affinity then the save can go for either of them and you won't have to do the whole run again.

 

[Blue Milk]

Honestly, I think the main "problem" is that it's the penultimate episode, DPC loves drama (especially leading into a Season finale), and without the loan issue there wasn't a ton of drama remaining in the throuple other than Maya and Josy's personal issues and how others (like parents) might react to their poly relationship. It would not surprise me at all if the JM drama this episode was to keep things from getting "boring", but it does also make sense from a development and narrative perspective to focus on it now that the loan is resolved. How many of the other main girl paths had some drama this episode? I've not played them all, but I know at least a few did so the JM branch is not unusual in that regard.

From a development branching perspective, having one "path" in this Episode for multiple different outcomes in future Episodes is efficient. It's easier to just have one path this Episode where issues arise and then perhaps split into branches later on depending on the resolution than it is to have multiple branches already where on one path everything's sunshine and rainbows and on the other path there's trouble brewing. This is particularly true since there's so much other branching already in the game.

It also make sense narratively to show the issues this episode no matter what. Regardless of if the throuple can be saved or not, the issues that could lead to a breakup have been there this entire time. If it can be saved, it makes sense to show the problems and then how they are "solved" rather than to just gloss over their issues entirely. Assuming the throuple can be saved, showing issues to resolve essentially shows the reader the "bullet" they dodged. Seeing problems and then saving the relationship can lead to a feeling of accomplishment in the reader, whereas not seeing any problems in the first place would not as much.

I suppose it makes some sense that DPC might have felt the need to inject some kind of new drama into things with them since the loan issue had now been resolved, and I suppose it also does make some sense that the new drama for them is to figure out where they go from here because the MC coming along has introduced an element to their relationship they didn't think possible which has confused and complicated their feelings for each other. It's also true, I suppose, that the relationshp with all 3 hasn't really been able to develop and flourish quite so smoothly because, at first, they had to hide it and then when it got found out, there was still the loan issue hanging over everything, and now they have a real chance of making a proper go at it.

If this is just going to be all about DPC showing people there are issues in their relationship and that whether you tried to keep things even or you favored one girl, either a little or a lot, the issues also relate to his actions within the relationship with a view to allowing us the players to have chances to set things right and ultimately achieve "success" with this relationship in the end, fine, and I hope it does, but this episode still doesn't feel good from the perspective of throuple fans even with all that taken into account, especially when it railroads you into a scene with one of them the way that it does.

Of course, this is the same dev that made AL, so who knows. Maybe he'll doom the throuple path no matter what again. I've already expressed my feelings on that here though, so won't repeat myself.

Well, I'll say my piece; it would be shit. Megan & Melissa never even got off the ground in AL, we weren't in a throuple for more than a few minutes in that game. Here, we're so much more involved and it's even considered a main branch to be with both of these girls. So if DPC doesn't allow for their to be a successful path to the throuple then he's just a massive troll for doing this kind of thing twice.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Got it!

So that's why she is "Cinderella" now.

Mhm, and she's made quite an impression on everyone. Still in my Top 3, and got her own sig

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

Does anyone know how to get #19 render of Lily without using a mod? It's placed in the same spot as a right direction arrow, and I keep going into the next room instead of picking it up.

 

[g0rd0ng33k0]

I hope we get a split in M/J route, Maya is just third wheeling hard, free jojo

 

[MiltonPowers]

so who is this Johnathan fellow Jill talks to? she sounds extremely happy when talking to him

Lana's ex-boyfriend.

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

Now you get to enjoy the wait for Ep12 wondering where it's going to lead

Mhm, and she's made quite an impression on everyone. Still in my Top 3, and got her own sig

Well it is certainly another detail to plan new runs for. The Others path branched A LOT.

I really wasn't expecting the Heather situation to get that extreme. I need to plan a new Chick Others run to see what difference that might make.

But while I wait for ep 12 there's a 94.7% that I need to bring to a 100%.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Does anyone know how to get #19 render of Lily without using a mod? It's placed in the same spot as a right direction arrow, and I keep going into the next room instead of picking it up.

You need the update 0.11.1 (it moves the arrow to the bottom).

 

[MiltonPowers]

Mhm, and she's made quite an impression on everyone. Still in my Top 3, and got her own sig

Attracted the attention of a lot of people, and quite a few weirdos & sickos too. Poor Cindy.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Attracted the attention of a lot of people, and quite a few weirdos & sickos too. Poor Cindy.

Non-believers and sinners all

 

[Rehwyn]

I suppose it makes some sense that DPC might have felt the need to inject some kind of new drama into things with them since the loan issue had now been resolved, and I suppose it also does make some sense that the new drama for them is to figure out where they go from here because the MC coming along has introduced an element to their relationship they didn't think possible which has confused and complicated their feelings for each other. It's also true, I suppose, that the relationshp with all 3 hasn't really been able to develop and flourish quite so smoothly because, at first, they had to hide it and then when it got found out, there was still the loan issue hanging over everything, and now they have a real chance of making a proper go at it.

If this is just going to be all about DPC showing people there are issues in their relationship and that whether you tried to keep things even or you favored one girl, either a little or a lot, the issues also relate to his actions within the relationship with a view to allowing us the players to have chances to set things right and ultimately achieve "success" with this relationship in the end, fine, and I hope it does, but this episode still doesn't feel good from the perspective of throuple fans even with all that taken into account, especially when it railroads you into a scene with one of them the way that it does.



Well, I'll say my piece; it would be shit. Megan & Melissa never even got off the ground in AL, we weren't in a throuple for more than a few minutes in that game. Here, we're so much more involved and it's even considered a main branch to be with both of these girls. So if DPC doesn't allow for their to be a successful path to the throuple then he's just a massive troll for doing this kind of thing twice.

Yeah, having the choice of who to spend time with in the throuple forced on your this Episode felt pretty crappy. I suspect it was just to make some drama that can possible be resolved in Episode 12 if you're making healthy poly decisions, or be used as a catalyst for a breakup if you've bade a bunch of bad decisions.

And I agree with your conclusion. It'd essentially be a massive bait-and-switch if there's an unavoidable breakup there.

The thoughts that I mentioned having shared already are quoted below, if you're interested.

[other stuff removed]

However, if there's literally no possible way to save the MJ throuple regardless of what you choose, let's say I'm going to be very, very disappointed. One game with an unavoidable "bad end" for a poly relationship might be a choice you can write off as a "narrative decision". Two times would be a trend that would tell me DPC is just biased against polyamory since, in reality, poly relationships are on average just as healthy and committed as monogamous ones. Does anyone think that the Jill, Sage, or Bella monogamous branches will end in unavoidable breakups? I very much doubt it.

I have very little tolerance for such narrow-minded prejudice. If it turns out to be the case here, I will likely never play a game by DPC again and actively advise others to do the same.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Quinn route: The Fallen
​

As MC/Quinn relationship development, this branch received little development or interaction, and didn't get a single lewd scene - firstly since Episode 5. But it wasn't any less important for that.
I would say this is a key and turning point for Quinn and her story in the game. Want to say right away that this post is not trying to whitewash her and justify all her actions - I am trying to understand her and what she is. Quinn finally gets serious consequences for her actions - manipulation of drug sales, stealing clients from Vinny. And it is not she who suffers, but her friend, who Quinn thought she didn't care about and was just a tool. And this breaks her, for the first time in the entire game we see that Quinn has real empathy and soul. Her mask of a cold and heartless bitch (which she herself believed in) was ruined.

Quinn completely loses Riona and is broken. She is defeated. Her first idea was to run away (we see her choosing a train ticket on her phone app). Then there was a flashback with Rox, which not everyone understood, judging by the comments in the thread. Rox told her a fairy tale about ermine, telling her how proud these animals are and will always fight, never running away, explaining the meaning of their family tattoo. This inspires Quinn to fight and get revenge for what Buddy did to Riona and fix Quinn fuckups. She chooses war.
We barely interact with Quinn until the end of the episode - the Christmas party, she avoiding MC, keepingHIM away from all this ( call to MC at the very beginning is unclear, we'll write it off as panic)
At the party, Quinn tells her backstory and we can understand who she is. Sage and Quinn have very similar initial fates. Both are from lowlife garbage families, both had adoptive parents. Sage was able to accept a new family and start a normal life, but Quinn never let go of the past. She felt like an outcast in a new home, a parasite. And the past won, which led her to where she is now. She continued to live according to the precepts of her father, who gave her terrible parenting, Quinn didn't let anyone close to her.
Riona, who seemed to have become her "friend", is an example of this - Quinn manipulated her, humiliated her and treated her like shit. Just not to get really close, keep away on a hand distance. And Quinn hates herself for who she is. She thinks that she doesn't deserve adoptive parents, doesn't deserve friends and love.

You know what's special about sociopaths? They never admit that there's anything wrong with them, they're narcissistic and will always blame the world around them. They can't check themselves. Quinn understands that she's terrible, that she did bad things and gets mad at MC if he chooses to empathize with her. And Quinn wants to fix it as much as possible - what happened to Riona was a turning point for her. She can't get her friend back, she can't undo the damage she did, but she wants to end it.
I don't know if this plan to turn the drug den over to the cops will work. Quinn's plans have always worked in the short term, bringing benefits here and now, causing chaos later (Real life is not a chess game). We'll see.
But the fact that she's doing this contradicts that she's "Broken beyond repair", moreover, she's trying to protect MC and not drag him into this mess - such games are not his league.
Quinn is neither good nor evil to me. She's a broken person who has made many mistakes in life. She's a child stuck in the memories with her father, started playing grown-up games and faced grown-up consequences. She's not my number 1 LI, but she is an amazingly written controversial character, embodiment of the gray morality by DPC.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Quinn route: The Fallen
​

As MC/Quinn relationship development, this branch received little development or interaction, and didn't get a single lewd scene - firstly since Episode 5. But it wasn't any less important for that.
I would say this is a key and turning point for Quinn and her story in the game. Want to say right away that this post is not trying to whitewash her and justify all her actions - I am trying to understand her and what she is. Quinn finally gets serious consequences for her actions - manipulation of drug sales, stealing clients from Vinny. And it is not she who suffers, but her friend, who Quinn thought she didn't care about and was just a tool. And this breaks her, for the first time in the entire game we see that Quinn has real empathy and soul. Her mask of a cold and heartless bitch (which she herself believed in) was ruined.
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Quinn completely loses Riona and is broken. She is defeated. Her first idea was to run away (we see her choosing a train ticket on her phone app). Then there was a flashback with Rox, which not everyone understood, judging by the comments in the thread. Rox told her a fairy tale about ermine, telling her how proud these animals are and will always fight, never running away, explaining the meaning of their family tattoo. This inspires Quinn to fight and get revenge for what Buddy did to Riona and fix Quinn fuckups. She chooses war.
We barely interact with Quinn until the end of the episode - the Christmas party, she avoiding MC, keepingHIM away from all this ( call to MC at the very beginning is unclear, we'll write it off as panic)
At the party, Quinn tells her backstory and we can understand who she is. Sage and Quinn have very similar initial fates. Both are from lowlife garbage families, both had adoptive parents. Sage was able to accept a new family and start a normal life, but Quinn never let go of the past. She felt like an outcast in a new home, a parasite. And the past won, which led her to where she is now. She continued to live according to the precepts of her father, who gave her terrible parenting, Quinn didn't let anyone close to her.
Riona, who seemed to have become her "friend", is an example of this - Quinn manipulated her, humiliated her and treated her like shit. Just not to get really close, keep away on a hand distance. And Quinn hates herself for who she is. She thinks that she doesn't deserve adoptive parents, doesn't deserve friends and love.
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You know what's special about sociopaths? They never admit that there's anything wrong with them, they're narcissistic and will always blame the world around them. They can't check themselves. Quinn understands that she's terrible, that she did bad things and gets mad at MC if he chooses to empathize with her. And Quinn wants to fix it as much as possible - what happened to Riona was a turning point for her. She can't get her friend back, she can't undo the damage she did, but she wants to end it.
I don't know if this plan to turn the drug den over to the cops will work. Quinn's plans have always worked in the short term, bringing benefits here and now, causing chaos later (Real life is not a chess game). We'll see.
But the fact that she's doing this contradicts that she's "Broken beyond repair", moreover, she's trying to protect MC and not drag him into this mess - such games are not his league.
Quinn is neither good nor evil to me. She's a broken person who has made many mistakes in life. She's a child stuck in the memories with her father, started playing grown-up games and faced grown-up consequences. She's not my number 1 LI, but she is an amazingly written controversial character, embodiment of the gray morality by DPC.
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Nice write up

 

[Darkwen]

I hope we get a split in M/J route, Maya is just third wheeling hard, free jojo

Looks very likely that going to happen especially favoring one of the girls and telling her I love you

 

[4Zero9Zero]

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Non-believers and sinners all

Can you imagine the backlash if Cindy is a pure bait and switch manoevre and nothing happens with her

 

[Darkwen]

Quinn route: The Fallen
​

As MC/Quinn relationship development, this branch received little development or interaction, and didn't get a single lewd scene - firstly since Episode 5. But it wasn't any less important for that.
I would say this is a key and turning point for Quinn and her story in the game. Want to say right away that this post is not trying to whitewash her and justify all her actions - I am trying to understand her and what she is. Quinn finally gets serious consequences for her actions - manipulation of drug sales, stealing clients from Vinny. And it is not she who suffers, but her friend, who Quinn thought she didn't care about and was just a tool. And this breaks her, for the first time in the entire game we see that Quinn has real empathy and soul. Her mask of a cold and heartless bitch (which she herself believed in) was ruined.
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Quinn completely loses Riona and is broken. She is defeated. Her first idea was to run away (we see her choosing a train ticket on her phone app). Then there was a flashback with Rox, which not everyone understood, judging by the comments in the thread. Rox told her a fairy tale about ermine, telling her how proud these animals are and will always fight, never running away, explaining the meaning of their family tattoo. This inspires Quinn to fight and get revenge for what Buddy did to Riona and fix Quinn fuckups. She chooses war.
We barely interact with Quinn until the end of the episode - the Christmas party, she avoiding MC, keepingHIM away from all this ( call to MC at the very beginning is unclear, we'll write it off as panic)
At the party, Quinn tells her backstory and we can understand who she is. Sage and Quinn have very similar initial fates. Both are from lowlife garbage families, both had adoptive parents. Sage was able to accept a new family and start a normal life, but Quinn never let go of the past. She felt like an outcast in a new home, a parasite. And the past won, which led her to where she is now. She continued to live according to the precepts of her father, who gave her terrible parenting, Quinn didn't let anyone close to her.
Riona, who seemed to have become her "friend", is an example of this - Quinn manipulated her, humiliated her and treated her like shit. Just not to get really close, keep away on a hand distance. And Quinn hates herself for who she is. She thinks that she doesn't deserve adoptive parents, doesn't deserve friends and love.
View attachment 4656669
You know what's special about sociopaths? They never admit that there's anything wrong with them, they're narcissistic and will always blame the world around them. They can't check themselves. Quinn understands that she's terrible, that she did bad things and gets mad at MC if he chooses to empathize with her. And Quinn wants to fix it as much as possible - what happened to Riona was a turning point for her. She can't get her friend back, she can't undo the damage she did, but she wants to end it.
I don't know if this plan to turn the drug den over to the cops will work. Quinn's plans have always worked in the short term, bringing benefits here and now, causing chaos later (Real life is not a chess game). We'll see.
But the fact that she's doing this contradicts that she's "Broken beyond repair", moreover, she's trying to protect MC and not drag him into this mess - such games are not his league.
Quinn is neither good nor evil to me. She's a broken person who has made many mistakes in life. She's a child stuck in the memories with her father, started playing grown-up games and faced grown-up consequences. She's not my number 1 LI, but she is an amazingly written controversial character, embodiment of the gray morality by DPC.
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well said