VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Better Cock Spock]

Attracted the attention of a lot of people, and quite a few weirdos & sickos too. Poor Cindy.

Non-believers and sinners all

 

[Rehwyn]

I suppose it makes some sense that DPC might have felt the need to inject some kind of new drama into things with them since the loan issue had now been resolved, and I suppose it also does make some sense that the new drama for them is to figure out where they go from here because the MC coming along has introduced an element to their relationship they didn't think possible which has confused and complicated their feelings for each other. It's also true, I suppose, that the relationshp with all 3 hasn't really been able to develop and flourish quite so smoothly because, at first, they had to hide it and then when it got found out, there was still the loan issue hanging over everything, and now they have a real chance of making a proper go at it.

If this is just going to be all about DPC showing people there are issues in their relationship and that whether you tried to keep things even or you favored one girl, either a little or a lot, the issues also relate to his actions within the relationship with a view to allowing us the players to have chances to set things right and ultimately achieve "success" with this relationship in the end, fine, and I hope it does, but this episode still doesn't feel good from the perspective of throuple fans even with all that taken into account, especially when it railroads you into a scene with one of them the way that it does.



Well, I'll say my piece; it would be shit. Megan & Melissa never even got off the ground in AL, we weren't in a throuple for more than a few minutes in that game. Here, we're so much more involved and it's even considered a main branch to be with both of these girls. So if DPC doesn't allow for their to be a successful path to the throuple then he's just a massive troll for doing this kind of thing twice.

Yeah, having the choice of who to spend time with in the throuple forced on your this Episode felt pretty crappy. I suspect it was just to make some drama that can possible be resolved in Episode 12 if you're making healthy poly decisions, or be used as a catalyst for a breakup if you've bade a bunch of bad decisions.

And I agree with your conclusion. It'd essentially be a massive bait-and-switch if there's an unavoidable breakup there.

The thoughts that I mentioned having shared already are quoted below, if you're interested.

[other stuff removed]

However, if there's literally no possible way to save the MJ throuple regardless of what you choose, let's say I'm going to be very, very disappointed. One game with an unavoidable "bad end" for a poly relationship might be a choice you can write off as a "narrative decision". Two times would be a trend that would tell me DPC is just biased against polyamory since, in reality, poly relationships are on average just as healthy and committed as monogamous ones. Does anyone think that the Jill, Sage, or Bella monogamous branches will end in unavoidable breakups? I very much doubt it.

I have very little tolerance for such narrow-minded prejudice. If it turns out to be the case here, I will likely never play a game by DPC again and actively advise others to do the same.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Quinn route: The Fallen
​

As MC/Quinn relationship development, this branch received little development or interaction, and didn't get a single lewd scene - firstly since Episode 5. But it wasn't any less important for that.
I would say this is a key and turning point for Quinn and her story in the game. Want to say right away that this post is not trying to whitewash her and justify all her actions - I am trying to understand her and what she is. Quinn finally gets serious consequences for her actions - manipulation of drug sales, stealing clients from Vinny. And it is not she who suffers, but her friend, who Quinn thought she didn't care about and was just a tool. And this breaks her, for the first time in the entire game we see that Quinn has real empathy and soul. Her mask of a cold and heartless bitch (which she herself believed in) was ruined.

Quinn completely loses Riona and is broken. She is defeated. Her first idea was to run away (we see her choosing a train ticket on her phone app). Then there was a flashback with Rox, which not everyone understood, judging by the comments in the thread. Rox told her a fairy tale about ermine, telling her how proud these animals are and will always fight, never running away, explaining the meaning of their family tattoo. This inspires Quinn to fight and get revenge for what Buddy did to Riona and fix Quinn fuckups. She chooses war.
We barely interact with Quinn until the end of the episode - the Christmas party, she avoiding MC, keepingHIM away from all this ( call to MC at the very beginning is unclear, we'll write it off as panic)
At the party, Quinn tells her backstory and we can understand who she is. Sage and Quinn have very similar initial fates. Both are from lowlife garbage families, both had adoptive parents. Sage was able to accept a new family and start a normal life, but Quinn never let go of the past. She felt like an outcast in a new home, a parasite. And the past won, which led her to where she is now. She continued to live according to the precepts of her father, who gave her terrible parenting, Quinn didn't let anyone close to her.
Riona, who seemed to have become her "friend", is an example of this - Quinn manipulated her, humiliated her and treated her like shit. Just not to get really close, keep away on a hand distance. And Quinn hates herself for who she is. She thinks that she doesn't deserve adoptive parents, doesn't deserve friends and love.

You know what's special about sociopaths? They never admit that there's anything wrong with them, they're narcissistic and will always blame the world around them. They can't check themselves. Quinn understands that she's terrible, that she did bad things and gets mad at MC if he chooses to empathize with her. And Quinn wants to fix it as much as possible - what happened to Riona was a turning point for her. She can't get her friend back, she can't undo the damage she did, but she wants to end it.
I don't know if this plan to turn the drug den over to the cops will work. Quinn's plans have always worked in the short term, bringing benefits here and now, causing chaos later (Real life is not a chess game). We'll see.
But the fact that she's doing this contradicts that she's "Broken beyond repair", moreover, she's trying to protect MC and not drag him into this mess - such games are not his league.
Quinn is neither good nor evil to me. She's a broken person who has made many mistakes in life. She's a child stuck in the memories with her father, started playing grown-up games and faced grown-up consequences. She's not my number 1 LI, but she is an amazingly written controversial character, embodiment of the gray morality by DPC.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Quinn route: The Fallen
​

As MC/Quinn relationship development, this branch received little development or interaction, and didn't get a single lewd scene - firstly since Episode 5. But it wasn't any less important for that.
I would say this is a key and turning point for Quinn and her story in the game. Want to say right away that this post is not trying to whitewash her and justify all her actions - I am trying to understand her and what she is. Quinn finally gets serious consequences for her actions - manipulation of drug sales, stealing clients from Vinny. And it is not she who suffers, but her friend, who Quinn thought she didn't care about and was just a tool. And this breaks her, for the first time in the entire game we see that Quinn has real empathy and soul. Her mask of a cold and heartless bitch (which she herself believed in) was ruined.
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Quinn completely loses Riona and is broken. She is defeated. Her first idea was to run away (we see her choosing a train ticket on her phone app). Then there was a flashback with Rox, which not everyone understood, judging by the comments in the thread. Rox told her a fairy tale about ermine, telling her how proud these animals are and will always fight, never running away, explaining the meaning of their family tattoo. This inspires Quinn to fight and get revenge for what Buddy did to Riona and fix Quinn fuckups. She chooses war.
We barely interact with Quinn until the end of the episode - the Christmas party, she avoiding MC, keepingHIM away from all this ( call to MC at the very beginning is unclear, we'll write it off as panic)
At the party, Quinn tells her backstory and we can understand who she is. Sage and Quinn have very similar initial fates. Both are from lowlife garbage families, both had adoptive parents. Sage was able to accept a new family and start a normal life, but Quinn never let go of the past. She felt like an outcast in a new home, a parasite. And the past won, which led her to where she is now. She continued to live according to the precepts of her father, who gave her terrible parenting, Quinn didn't let anyone close to her.
Riona, who seemed to have become her "friend", is an example of this - Quinn manipulated her, humiliated her and treated her like shit. Just not to get really close, keep away on a hand distance. And Quinn hates herself for who she is. She thinks that she doesn't deserve adoptive parents, doesn't deserve friends and love.
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You know what's special about sociopaths? They never admit that there's anything wrong with them, they're narcissistic and will always blame the world around them. They can't check themselves. Quinn understands that she's terrible, that she did bad things and gets mad at MC if he chooses to empathize with her. And Quinn wants to fix it as much as possible - what happened to Riona was a turning point for her. She can't get her friend back, she can't undo the damage she did, but she wants to end it.
I don't know if this plan to turn the drug den over to the cops will work. Quinn's plans have always worked in the short term, bringing benefits here and now, causing chaos later (Real life is not a chess game). We'll see.
But the fact that she's doing this contradicts that she's "Broken beyond repair", moreover, she's trying to protect MC and not drag him into this mess - such games are not his league.
Quinn is neither good nor evil to me. She's a broken person who has made many mistakes in life. She's a child stuck in the memories with her father, started playing grown-up games and faced grown-up consequences. She's not my number 1 LI, but she is an amazingly written controversial character, embodiment of the gray morality by DPC.
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Nice write up

 

[Darkwen]

I hope we get a split in M/J route, Maya is just third wheeling hard, free jojo

Looks very likely that going to happen especially favoring one of the girls and telling her I love you

 

[4Zero9Zero]

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Non-believers and sinners all

Can you imagine the backlash if Cindy is a pure bait and switch manoevre and nothing happens with her

 

[Darkwen]

Quinn route: The Fallen
​

As MC/Quinn relationship development, this branch received little development or interaction, and didn't get a single lewd scene - firstly since Episode 5. But it wasn't any less important for that.
I would say this is a key and turning point for Quinn and her story in the game. Want to say right away that this post is not trying to whitewash her and justify all her actions - I am trying to understand her and what she is. Quinn finally gets serious consequences for her actions - manipulation of drug sales, stealing clients from Vinny. And it is not she who suffers, but her friend, who Quinn thought she didn't care about and was just a tool. And this breaks her, for the first time in the entire game we see that Quinn has real empathy and soul. Her mask of a cold and heartless bitch (which she herself believed in) was ruined.
View attachment 4656658
Quinn completely loses Riona and is broken. She is defeated. Her first idea was to run away (we see her choosing a train ticket on her phone app). Then there was a flashback with Rox, which not everyone understood, judging by the comments in the thread. Rox told her a fairy tale about ermine, telling her how proud these animals are and will always fight, never running away, explaining the meaning of their family tattoo. This inspires Quinn to fight and get revenge for what Buddy did to Riona and fix Quinn fuckups. She chooses war.
We barely interact with Quinn until the end of the episode - the Christmas party, she avoiding MC, keepingHIM away from all this ( call to MC at the very beginning is unclear, we'll write it off as panic)
At the party, Quinn tells her backstory and we can understand who she is. Sage and Quinn have very similar initial fates. Both are from lowlife garbage families, both had adoptive parents. Sage was able to accept a new family and start a normal life, but Quinn never let go of the past. She felt like an outcast in a new home, a parasite. And the past won, which led her to where she is now. She continued to live according to the precepts of her father, who gave her terrible parenting, Quinn didn't let anyone close to her.
Riona, who seemed to have become her "friend", is an example of this - Quinn manipulated her, humiliated her and treated her like shit. Just not to get really close, keep away on a hand distance. And Quinn hates herself for who she is. She thinks that she doesn't deserve adoptive parents, doesn't deserve friends and love.
View attachment 4656669
You know what's special about sociopaths? They never admit that there's anything wrong with them, they're narcissistic and will always blame the world around them. They can't check themselves. Quinn understands that she's terrible, that she did bad things and gets mad at MC if he chooses to empathize with her. And Quinn wants to fix it as much as possible - what happened to Riona was a turning point for her. She can't get her friend back, she can't undo the damage she did, but she wants to end it.
I don't know if this plan to turn the drug den over to the cops will work. Quinn's plans have always worked in the short term, bringing benefits here and now, causing chaos later (Real life is not a chess game). We'll see.
But the fact that she's doing this contradicts that she's "Broken beyond repair", moreover, she's trying to protect MC and not drag him into this mess - such games are not his league.
Quinn is neither good nor evil to me. She's a broken person who has made many mistakes in life. She's a child stuck in the memories with her father, started playing grown-up games and faced grown-up consequences. She's not my number 1 LI, but she is an amazingly written controversial character, embodiment of the gray morality by DPC.
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well said

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

well said

Thanks!
A collaboration about Quinn that I didn't expect

 

[MiltonPowers]

Thanks!
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I eagerly await their response to your Josy one.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I eagerly await their response to your Josy one.

Was posted several days ago, lost in thread post-release chaos

Throuple Episode 11

 

[MiltonPowers]

Was posted several days ago, lost in thread post-release chaos

Throuple Episode 11

Missed that one. I've been skipping a lot of pages when I get on (there's a lot of useless dribble here ).

Off to see your thoughts now.

 

[Darkwen]

Thanks!
A collaboration about Quinn that I didn't expect View attachment 4656714

believe it or not my opinion of Quinn has change over time, maybe I'm going soft but quinndemption has a nice sound to it

 

[Blue Milk]

Yeah, having the choice of who to spend time with in the throuple forced on your this Episode felt pretty crappy. I suspect it was just to make some drama that can possible be resolved in Episode 12 if you're making healthy poly decisions, or be used as a catalyst for a breakup if you've bade a bunch of bad decisions.

And I agree with your conclusion. It'd essentially be a massive bait-and-switch if there's an unavoidable breakup there.

The thoughts that I mentioned having shared already are quoted below, if you're interested.

The thing is, with potentially at least 3 more episodes of main story to go (according to DPC) it doesn't even necessarily have to be resolved in Ep 12. This next Ep could just be one where the MC realises it's not been going as well as he might have thought, kind of like how Maya didn't seem to think the communication between her Josy was as bad Josy thought it was. So by the same token, the MC may not be very aware of issues involving himself and his communication with the girls not to mention the fact of not giving them an equal amount of his time.

With the conversation they have at Bella's, it feels like a "reset" moment for them, and a proper one this time. For the first time that we've seen, they've properly opened up to each other about their issues and concerns instead of just "following the stream", as Josy put it, by simply sidestepping them in order to focus on resolving Maya's loan situation. If they bring this to the MC and they all realise things need to improve if they want this to work, it could be that it goes a few more episodes to give them and players that chance now that the characters realise they have things to work on. They can address any imbalance and maybe it could even be considered wiped clean in terms of the scene choices previously made and there will now be choices going forward that truly decide it.

As to what you said in that prevous post, I don't know if I'd go so far as to say an unachievable throuple twice in 2 games would be any sign of "prejudice", but it certainly isn't the best thing a dev can do to keep playing around with their audience like this. And yes, he'd never make the monogamous MG branches impossible to achieve no matter what choices you make, so it really would be incredibly unfair to do this to a MG branch just because it's a relationship with 2 girls.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

believe it or not my opinion of Quinn has change over time, maybe I'm going soft but quinndemption has a nice sound to it

 

[ffive]

Does anyone know how I can stop dating Nicole sometime in S3? And not just by rolling with Lily, I mean neither of them.

Well, if you accept Zoey's confession that's likely going to put a stop to dating other people, including both Nicole and Lily.

(ok ok probably not what you want either. i don't think there's any direct option, but Ep.12 might be shaking things up, relationships-wise. So there's always hope)

 

[Harker Warker Parker]

don't start dating her in the first place?
Anyway if you don't want to start from the beginning, here is a screen of my Nicole variables where I'm dating her until end of EP11, change the true/false values to the opposite and should probably be fine like it never happened.

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Sorry for bringing it up again but I just remembered how the dating Nicole starts and that I didn't even go on a date with her in EP.10 this run, also that variable is stuck as unchangeable in Scrappy too. Is my save file itself possibly corrupted?

 

[ArmoredCascade]

how do you water the plants Jamie gives you? i cant click on them

 

[Better Cock Spock]

how do you water the plants Jamie gives you? i cant click on them

You water them in his little greenhouse off of Tommy's room, just click on the pot. But you won't do it if you're a DIK.

 

[Macky009]

believe it or not my opinion of Quinn has change over time, maybe I'm going soft but quinndemption has a nice sound to it

Wow just wow, that was something coming from a Quinn hater but I do understand were you're coming from. She showing her vulnerable side and that is make him more human

Was posted several days ago, lost in thread post-release chaos

Throuple Episode 11

You should make a compilation post once the thread slows down. I only remember reading your Sage and Jill and now the Quinn post the J/M, Bella and some of your others (if there is) reviews have been buried to the thread.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Wow just wow, that was something coming from a Quinn hater but I do understand were you're coming from. She showing her vulnerable side and that is make him more human

You should make a compilation post once the thread slows down. I only remember reading your Sage and Jill and now the Quinn post the J/M, Bella and some of your others (if there is) reviews have been buried to the thread.

I'll do it later, will think what to write about more.
Lily is deserve a post this update, for sure.