Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.40] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Biostar]

I mean it makes sense to have optional futa for female player champions to experience the pregnancy expansion

Savin didn't get that memo for the reverse.

 

[Yeppers34]

Too bad that Zander character is not present in the game in terms of any content. I find this game's lack of goblin sex disturbing.

Dude right, they got this thicc goblin just chilling there doing literally nothing in Hawkthorne

 

[Jbuster]

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Dude right, they got this thicc goblin just chilling there doing literally nothing in Hawkthorne

Lady I've been paying for all those clothes and doing quest for shit I care nothing about and you won't let me smash, why!?, instead they gave me some hogoblin rape scene and that futa goblin lady that while cute, ain't the same as the always popular green pocket pussy gobbo combo

She told me all about her kids and family and I pretended to be invested on it thinking, "now she's gonna do the whole, "I'm a lonely woman, so, so lonely. I need you"", but she didn't, because for some weird reason from all the sex pest living in wasteland Hawkthorne, she's just not an option

You're a cruel man, Savin

 

[Curon]

Everything from Fenoxo site always has a pipeline, it starts off with male and female before it goes to 100% futa with recurve to bimbo females but nothing else, lmao

 

[Lucky_I]

Everything from Fenoxo site always has a pipeline, it starts off with male and female before it goes to 100% futa with recurve to bimbo females but nothing else, lmao

Is that pipeline in the room with us right now?

 

[texxy]

Is that pipeline in the room with us right now?

Nah, it's up Savins ass. Had a steady flow of semen in it.

 

[Sirfappington123]

Really wonder what the reason is for not letting us de-dick Etheryn to this day, if it's anything other than "MY OC DO NOT TOUCH" and spite.

 

[Alterism]

Paying does make criticism more valid since they are the customers.

Interesting.
From August 1st 2022 to last month, TiTS has lost nearly 1000 subscribers.
From July 1st of the same year to last month CoC2 has lost nearly 800 subscribers.

If any of those lost subscribers voiced an opinion right now today, would those peoples opinions matter?
Is critique something you have to pay into for it to matter?
If you spend more money is your critique more valid?
What about the old monthly donations, offbeatr, and individual writer patreons. If you skipped a month, would you lose your critique pass?
What's the limits of that paid platinum criticism?

Does the value of the dollar to import spent diminish the further away from official channels you get?
Is this the Scientology model of porn game opinions?

Should people amend their reviews, "It wasn't really for me. But as I do not pay a monthly subscription forever I can't leave a review."

Ridiculous.

This attracts a community that likes the same;

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"Oh Alante got added, cool I guess." (Never plays it.)

Hmm... Ac-

Hmm...
Hell we'll include you too

If a fem gets added, it's barely a page or two of discussion.
These people just want to moan and bitch about Savin/Tobs for the nth time.

That's a paddling.

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And let's add this on as well

Spoiler: quick aside about the paladin

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Again, all assumptions.
I'd love to be proven wrong.
But, as I said the last time I issued this statement on that desire. I won't be.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

Really wonder what the reason is for not letting us de-dick Etheryn to this day, if it's anything other than "MY OC DO NOT TOUCH" and spite.

Don't even need to the most forbidden thing in this world and de-dick. They could just add a vag. Hell they already do 1 time pregnancy. So they could do a 1 time vagina. Make it a quest to find a temp puss, because she wants to have our children. We get a bit of what we want. Savin can continue being Savin once it's over. There is no other reason outside of "I don't wanna" for this. The world they created already allows for the gender flip flop fuckery and body part swap-o-rama. And with how Etheryn had been written. She would absolutely be willing to do it for us if we asked.

 

[Skandranon]

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My bad, vanilla was the wrong word; I was talking mostly in terms of gender preference. CoC had less M/M or futa than either of the following games.

But a bigger reason for the split is the landscape, I think. CoC was unique back in the day; the Patreon porn machine hadn't started up. These days everyone wanting to write porn for a game is just gonna try and start their own game.

Really wonder what the reason is for not letting us de-dick Etheryn to this day, if it's anything other than "MY OC DO NOT TOUCH" and spite.

The reasons Savin has given is its too much work, and he's not interested. He has 3 characters and Ryn already has a bunch of variables for different states.

 

[Nidabutt]

Interesting.
From August 1st 2022 to last month, TiTS has lost nearly 1000 subscribers.
From July 1st of the same year to last month CoC2 has lost nearly 800 subscribers.

If any of those lost subscribers voiced an opinion right now today, would those peoples opinions matter?
Is critique something you have to pay into for it to matter?
If you spend more money is your critique more valid?
What about the old monthly donations, offbeatr, and individual writer patreons. If you skipped a month, would you lose your critique pass?
What's the limits of that paid platinum criticism?

Does the value of the dollar to import spent diminish the further away from official channels you get?
Is this the Scientology model of porn game opinions?

Should people amend their reviews, "It wasn't really for me. But as I do not pay a monthly subscription forever I can't leave a review."

Ridiculous.

I feel like people are massively misunderstanding what I'm saying or attaching emotions to my words.

Obviously in a perfect scenario everyone's opinions can be counted and held in regard to determine a correct course of action. However, in reality this isn't the case, ever. The dev team is not going to trawl the internet to find every comment on CoC2 and debate on it's validity, those most closely connected to the team have the most influence, as with all things.

I'm not saying your opinions are wrong, I'm just explaining that they are being yelled into the void. Venting is fine, we all do it, but I feel like some users have an unhealthy obsession on certain elements of CoC2. Look no further than that frequently reposted mod which removes certain optional characters from the game entirely.

For example, dom futa characters are all too similiar? I see this constantly whenever I flick through the forum from time to time. On it's own, it sounds like you're just saying you don't want dom futa characters at all and trying to bait arguements (which I admittedly fell for.) What about some ideas for interesting designs? What aspects of them are too similar? Are there any easy tweaks that can be made without heavy rewriting?

 

[Jbuster]

I feel like people are massively misunderstanding what I'm saying or attaching emotions to my words.

Obviously in a perfect scenario everyone's opinions can be counted and held in regard to determine a correct course of action. However, in reality this isn't the case, ever. The dev team is not going to trawl the internet to find every comment on CoC2 and debate on it's validity, those most closely connected to the team have the most influence, as with all things.

I'm not saying your opinions are wrong, I'm just explaining that they are being yelled into the void. Venting is fine, we all do it, but I feel like some users have an unhealthy obsession on certain elements of CoC2. Look no further than that frequently reposted mod which removes certain optional characters from the game entirely.

For example, dom futa characters are all too similiar? I see this constantly whenever I flick through the forum from time to time. On it's own, it sounds like you're just saying you don't want dom futa characters at all and trying to bait arguements (which I admittedly fell for.) What about some ideas for interesting designs? What aspects of them are too similar? Are there any easy tweaks that can be made without heavy rewriting?

Someone posted a screenshot about how they don't care about their polls and just do whatever they want, so I'm pretty sure even their patreons and steam players are yelling into the void with us, which, sounds actually funny. Regardless of that the game is Savin's and his team vision and should stay like that, with polls giving him an outlook of whatever his costumers are into, but focusing in what he wants to do with all of this and hopefully, finishing it

And sure, sometimes it feels like we might complain a little bit too much. You're absolutely right about that

The thing with futa doms, at least for me, is that they tend to overlap too much while there's little on the other side. You have in korh'minos the goblin futa that's into after care, the futadom gladiatrix that fucks non stop, some futa centaur that has nothing going on, a futa marewoman with a harem. You're already traveling with a manipulative futadom if you did Kalysea's quest, and she does similar stuff, and then there's Orliat that can be molded into futa dominance, to name a few. On the other hand, you have Hana, who is a futa but with a more vanilla flavor, and because of that she shines a little more

Sometimes you need a Leslie Nilsen acting as the serious character to make everyone else around look a little more special, and when you disregard that because you have a type and repeat it in different ways, well, I feel like that takes from things as a whole, makes them duller. None of those futa doms are bad character per se, but they are unlucky of not being that special in their own setting

I might be wrong, but I don't think we have one subby futa of consequence (frost puppy is there but she's lacking), not counting the PC, and those who have the option are more of the switch kind. They'll let your champion top in certain conditions

Females npc, there are several so even when they overlap, it kind of gets gloss over, and male npc are few and some of them are lucky to have a bunch of content as Berwyn

I like Nikol, he's cute

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Damn, CoC 1 barely had any futa dom content now that i'm thinking about it and typing it out. Wonder what caused the shift for the sequel.

Others already put it better but I'll make the joke: look at the thing on the thread title, right after the version number.

...Because paying someone does not automatically make what you say true and vice versa? If I use someone else's Netflix account to watch something, does that mean my opinion doesn't matter because I wasn't paying to watch it? If I read a book at the public library, does it mean my thoughts on it are immediately null and void because I didn't pay for the book?

I felt like that we didn't matter on that regard because "their obligations are tied to the paying audience". I'd say that'd be fair - if people want to pay for what they're getting even if what they're getting is like a soccer ball made of patched pieces of cloth and a damn rubber dick someone glued right on the middle, then fair game. Otherwise, they would've rioted or dropped support.

Shame? Yeah, but it ain't our party to dance at. That said...

Thank god that they listen to their paying customers
Probably why they keep releasing threesome despite nobody wanting them.
Or that's why all corruption content gets cut, despite 5 times the people wanting that.

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The only real way to get the content you want, is commissioning it. And almost none of the staff writers take them.
Except Wsan? Idk.

Love ya, dude, because it also allows me to develop from my point. We're no longer at the point where people who pay to keep the lights on get the chance to talk.

We're at the point where you need to actively pay over the counter for shit. Patreon's just for the lights not to get turned off so people don't trip over a rogue sleeping futa that's scheduled to drop at v0.8.143.

What a result, damn. Even more reason to finish the damn thing quick.

 

[Bloep]

This is simply talking out of your keester.

There are one hundred and sixty five different posts mentioning Alante. I've talked about and defended liking Hana across several plus sized posts. I don't even like dickgirls. But, Savin made an actual character. In the same way that I don't like males but I liked Berwyn, I like Hana.

As for Alante, the vast majority of the regulars played her content and formed strong opinions about it. Unfortunately that doesn't fit the criticism of the nature of the critique that happens here. Things all the way down to Brienne's house had detractors. Did you know that?

Do you think futa/dickgirl = instant whinging?
There's not even a page worth of discussion discussing Tarah.
There's more nuance in criticism being levied than pure sexual configuration.

All of this brings me back here

If you want to talk about the nature of discussion in the thread. Actually read it.
The only thing you're right about is that people throw direct shade detached from the game at the authors way too often.

So whining about futa doesn't exist because......... A specific futa wasn't namedropped enough?
Huh? Yes, the complains are sometimes more nuanced than that. Obviously i'm not talking about all critique of the game.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Obviously in a perfect scenario everyone's opinions can be counted and held in regard to determine a correct course of action. However, in reality this isn't the case, ever. The dev team is not going to trawl the internet to find every comment on CoC2 and debate on it's validity, those most closely connected to the team have the most influence, as with all things.

I'm not saying your opinions are wrong, I'm just explaining that they are being yelled into the void.

I mean... yeah? This has been discussed in the thread before and everybody already knows this. Nobody is sitting here expecting a dev to come to a third party forum where they're insulted every other page.

Venting is fine, we all do it, but I feel like some users have an unhealthy obsession on certain elements of CoC2. Look no further than that frequently reposted mod which removes certain optional characters from the game entirely.

It's the internet, this kind of thing is just going to happen. If somebody wants to waste their time doing that, let them.

For example, dom futa characters are all too similiar? I see this constantly whenever I flick through the forum from time to time. On it's own, it sounds like you're just saying you don't want dom futa characters at all and trying to bait arguements (which I admittedly fell for.) What about some ideas for interesting designs?

Shy girlfailure who is a massive creep and yandere. Tries to subtly manipulate and exert control over the PC which could potentially accumulate into a bad end.

Just a plain jane that was raised in an environment/community that hates or stigmatizes futas. Help her overcome her insecurities and she could potentially dom/switch when she gains confidence.

Similar to idea above, have one start out with romance and be pretty vanilla at first but she shyly proposes being dominant in bed. Could get more depraved the more you give in.

Detachable dullahan cock. Stealth sex galore. Nuff said.

What aspects of them are too similar?

Unabashedly confident in themselves 24/7, bringing up the power dynamics much more than vanilla female content, hyper focused on the dick and not domming in other ways, typically muscular or big bodied, treating you like just a cocksleeve, etc.

Are there any easy tweaks that can be made without heavy rewriting?

Without giving them full blown expansions or rewriting/deleting the characters? No, not really that I can think of. Especially if you're of Skan's opinion of not portraying different versions of the same character through optional content.

 

[Skandranon]

I think expanding on their nonsexual attributes would be the quickest and easiest way to further differentiate many characters. Characters need more development, that's one of the biggest shortfalls in the game really.

Orlaith and Co are stuck in the forest. What have they seen? How do they interact with the other forest denizen? Can we introduce them?

They also have shory tidbits where you explain your adventures to them. That's boring. Why not expand on that? Maybe some stories you could tell them after major events of places they'll never get to go to.

Of course, this could lead to an expansion where Champ and Grainne figure a way to get her out of the forest temporarily - maybe in that potted plant version they floated on the forums - but that would be more of an expansion.


But yeah, spending a but more time on developing relationships in a nonsexual manner is something Wsan doesn't usually do...more Alypias territory.

Evelyn is probably his best character in that way - she feels pretty fleshed out.

 

[Curon]

Is that pipeline in the room with us right now?
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Yes and it looks like a bad dragon thing sir

 

[Meatshield236]

I think expanding on their nonsexual attributes would be the quickest and easiest way to further differentiate many characters. Characters need more development, that's one of the biggest shortfalls in the game really.

Orlaith and Co are stuck in the forest. What have they seen? How do they interact with the other forest denizen? Can we introduce them?

They also have shory tidbits where you explain your adventures to them. That's boring. Why not expand on that? Maybe some stories you could tell them after major events of places they'll never get to go to.

Of course, this could lead to an expansion where Champ and Grainne figure a way to get her out of the forest temporarily - maybe in that potted plant version they floated on the forums - but that would be more of an expansion.


But yeah, spending a but more time on developing relationships in a nonsexual manner is something Wsan doesn't usually do...more Alypias territory.

Evelyn is probably his best character in that way - she feels pretty fleshed out.

Agreed, the way a lot of characters are written (especially the side characters) right now is that their sexual characteristics are their main form of characterization. They get a bit of history, some light characterization, and then it's on to pound town. Even the characters that get more details are primarily defined by their sexuality.

Which, on the one hand, it's a porn game, it's what people are here for. But it's also a text-based porn game, so they have ample room to flesh out these characters. They just... don't. So when I see people complaining about "yet another futa dom," I personally see it as less of a complaint about the fetish, and more a complaint about samey characters. The flavor might be slightly different, but they all lead to the same end.

 

[Nidabutt]

Shy girlfailure who is a massive creep and yandere. Tries to subtly manipulate and exert control over the PC which could potentially accumulate into a bad end.

Oh I actually quite like this one! I think that would have made for a more interesting personality for Kaly than what I went with tbh, her seclusion and lack of social interaction making her act a little strangely like that, plus being unable to properly get off as a taur... It's definitely giving me ideas... Even if they might not make it into CoC2 sadly.

 

[Nidabutt]

To add onto this discussion, since we're on the topic of character stories, I'm actually rather stumped with which direction I want to go with Kalysea. Originally I was quite settled on something cozy with the PC, but I'm wondering if that's a little boring.

Does anyone have any particular ideas as to where her story could lead?