Prawnstar69

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Do you feel like you got scammed? How much did you, specifically, pay in total?

You should understand that if you are paying a monthly sub then you are paying for development not releases. There are other funding models e.g. pay on release, publishers, crowdfunding etc. If you don't like this model then... just don't pay. But stop crying about it. Because...

You are the bum outside the restaurant ranting that they should cook your meal for free.

This is you, all of you haters:

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Just can't figure out how to leave your cage, huh?

Hey bipbopboop,

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but love and hate are just two sides of the same coin. Everyone cares enough to share their thoughts, whether positive or negative. It’s all about how constructive and civil the comments are.

Let me reiterate: Crush is a fantastic writer, but project management and coding are not his strong suits. He should focus on writing the story rather than chasing new features. Remember, Tolkien completed "Lord of the Rings" before it became a movie classic. Similarly, "Disco Elysium" had its final cut only after the initial release.

Dollars spent shouldn't dictate the right to comment—as long as the feedback is logical and valid, why not? Most of bipbopboop's replies are ad hominem attacks like "hey Elon." If you're not Crush, discuss the real issues: How can FA development be faster? Is it fair to Patreons for updates to be skipped or the project reset? Lobsterman, for example, advised his fans to unsubscribe until he could update.

There are better ways to handle downtime. Transparency and accountability isn't about "haters."

It's called adulting.
 
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SolidFocus702

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Do you feel like you got scammed? How much did you, specifically, pay in total?

You should understand that if you are paying a monthly sub then you are paying for development not releases. There are other funding models e.g. pay on release, publishers, crowdfunding etc. If you don't like this model then... just don't pay. But stop crying about it. Because...

You are the bum outside the restaurant ranting that they should cook your meal for free.

This is you, all of you haters:

View attachment 4470817

Just can't figure out how to leave your cage, huh?
My guy.... If I go to the restaurant and pay for a table and have to wait, fine. But if they close the doors for the night without ever giving me a table I just got scammed. See how that works? Do you see how people might think they've been scammed if it has been over a year without an update but he's still making nearly 5k? The only way your scenario works is if Crush was actually doing something, he has claimed over and over that he works ridiculous hours, I don't believe him anymore, he's a liar and a scammer and I'm telling people not to support him.
 

IjjKpoe

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My guy.... If I go to the restaurant and pay for a table and have to wait, fine. But if they close the doors for the night without ever giving me a table I just got scammed. See how that works? Do you see how people might think they've been scammed if it has been over a year without an update but he's still making nearly 5k? The only way your scenario works is if Crush was actually doing something, he has claimed over and over that he works ridiculous hours, I don't believe him anymore, he's a liar and a scammer and I'm telling people not to support him.
But bipbop will argue; "Yes i have had the same experience as you... BUT i believe in the restaurant and when they give me the table i will enjoy it!"

-Even tho the restaurant been opened since 2017, they only have 3 type of meals because the Chef is mental blocked and has scrapped those meals for the 4 or 5 time since. But chef claims working 36 hours/9 days a week for the new meal that promised 11 months a go-

Edit: This is a complain because it's a clear example of BAD PRAXIS.
 

Prawnstar69

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But bipbop will argue; "Yes i have had the same experience as you... BUT i believe in the restaurant and when they give me the table i will enjoy it!"

-Even tho the restaurant been opened since 2017, they only have 3 type of meals because the Chef is mental blocked and has scrapped those meals for the 4 or 5 time since. But chef claims working 36 hours/9 days a week for the new meal that promised 11 months a go-

Edit: This is a complain because it's a clear example of BAD PRAXIS.
But but, aren't you guys afraid that he'll call you NAMES? and he'll hurt our facts (been in dev hell since 2017) with his feelings?!

After all, you didn't pay scammer mega bucks, therefore you can't call him a scammer. I think that's how the ponzi logic works?
 

hallsigns

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May 1, 2019
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You're still addicted to this game. If you didn't care then you wouldn't waste your time.

See you in a month (when you occasionally log in) or as soon as this game update drops?
Whelp a month later... like I mentioned before I check on updates infrequently to games I have enjoyed. I have contemplated not following this game for a while because I followed when it literally first came out and thought it was a unique concept... but as someone else pointed out it was not updated once in 2024. It's been rebooted twice. It has less content than it did a few ears ago. Copycat games literally have more content. And once again... you haven't said anything constructive regarding why I should like this game... it certainly isn't the mindless fanboy community that thinks we are insane and "mean" in this forum.
 

hallsigns

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Yeah that's fair I just wasn't sure if he made another promise he can't keep. Really I only follow this because it's funny enough seeing this thread. If he does something monumentally stupid in his discord I'll never know if someone doesn't share it here.
At this point it's the only reason I follow... I think I've given up on this particular game. Honestly some of the inspo copycat games are better.
 
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hallsigns

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May 1, 2019
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I don't believe Crush left his day job for even a second.

I don't believe that Victoria is to blame for the delays either for the simple reason that even if it had taken her 6 months to ship the artwork for eye-shadow, Crush would still have had time to write the scenes and sort the coding. He might not have been able to ship a final version as the assets would not have been in place but a) there were already avatar assets in place and b) he could have turned off the avatar and shipped an alpha as proof that he hasn't spent the entire year avoiding working on the game.

No... Crush's problem is that while he's able to ship code, he can't ship text. He would rather strip a game down to brass tacks over and over again than sit down and write a sex scene. He can plan until the cows come home and spend months tweaking code around the sex scenes but he cannot or will not sit down and actually write. Everything else, from the art, to the skills system, to the avatars, to the (awful sounding) dynamic sex system are displacement activities. He can't write and he's too stubborn to hire someone in to do the writing work for him.
At this point he could use AI to write a scene...
 

boobthief

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And once again... you haven't said anything constructive regarding why I should like this game... it certainly isn't the mindless fanboy community that thinks we are insane and "mean" in this forum.
No offence intended, but I don't care if you like this game. I'm not writing/developing/marketing it. So why would I?

I really like it. I love the writing: 007 undercover + travel immersion + sexy corruption. Love the polished kisekae graphics and UI too.

Play it (or don't) when it releases. The world will keep on turning. If you enjoy their work then I encourage you to pay for it, as I do as a general principle.
 
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boobthief

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My guy.... If I go to the restaurant and pay for a table and have to wait, fine. But if they close the doors for the night without ever giving me a table I just got scammed. See how that works? Do you see how people might think they've been scammed if it has been over a year without an update but he's still making nearly 5k? The only way your scenario works is if Crush was actually doing something, he has claimed over and over that he works ridiculous hours, I don't believe him anymore, he's a liar and a scammer and I'm telling people not to support him.
Crush is cooking. In the kitchen making something amazing. Should have come out with a tasting menu months ago. But that's what is on offer at this restaurant. Could you do better? Fuck, no. Don't like it? Leave your self-imposed cage. Play any of the many games for free here. Come back, if you wanna.

If you paid and were unaware of the history of development then you have right to mald.

If you didn't pay then you are the bum outside the restaurant ranting about your free meal.
 

boobthief

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Hey bipbopboop,

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but love and hate are just two sides of the same coin. Everyone cares enough to share their thoughts, whether positive or negative. It’s all about how constructive and civil the comments are.
Sounds agreeable but you opened with an insult calling me a bot. So civility isn't you.

Let me reiterate: Crush is a fantastic writer, but project management and coding are not his strong suits. He should focus on writing the story rather than chasing new features. Remember, Tolkien completed "Lord of the Rings" before it became a movie classic. Similarly, "Disco Elysium" had its final cut only after the initial release.
Yes! Good writer. Bad at project management. Coding seems fine.

Not sure point you're trying to make with the Tolkien movies analogy. The Lord of the Rings, the books, sold c. 150m copies. Tolkien died while working on multiple other works, including an abandoned sequel. Maybe a GRRM analogy would fit better?

Dollars spent shouldn't dictate the right to comment—as long as the feedback is logical and valid, why not? Most of bipbopboop's replies are ad hominem attacks like "hey Elon." If you're not Crush, discuss the real issues: How can FA development be faster? Is it fair to Patreons for updates to be skipped or the project reset? Lobsterman, for example, advised his fans to unsubscribe until he could update.
Strawman debunked: Obviously, you can comment whatever you want. I think if you don't care enough to pay for something then your opinion is devalued because you did not support the artist. Especially if it tips over into trying to defund the artist. Just move on, leave your self-imposed cage.

'Elon, is that you?' was a response to: It's toxic because dumb bots like you pay him to literally do fucking nothing. I'm poking fun at you and him for calling me a bot.

There are better ways to handle downtime. Transparency and accountability isn't about "haters."

It's called adulting.
Yes, game devs should be accountable - if you paid! Not sure about transparency - that's conditional - some game devs offer such insights (for extra pay tiers) most do not.

You lost a claim to 'adulting' when you called me names. I did too for calling people names. But you can't claim the high ground when you're rolling around in the shit. On fire. With no legs. Welcome to the shit.
 
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