VN Ren'Py Grand Duke Valeran - Building a Harem in Another World [v0.4.6-public] [Mr.I.Game]

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that just might be it, but a dumb joke doesnt necessary gets better just because you stretch it longer and longer.

i wont drop the game because of that but it's painfully unfunny
Haha, you could totally imagine it as a deeply calculated scheme by the MC.

Right now, he's like a pawn on the chessboard.
And the best way to escape the board is to break the rules. (Which is exactly why he made a beastkin his sworn knight.)

So maybe - just maybe - acting like a fool is all part of his grand plan, making it impossible for others to read his true intentions.

Oh no... I think I'm actually convincing myself! What if he really is thinking that way? Haha =]]
 
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So maybe - just maybe - acting like a fool is all part of his grand plan, making it impossible for others to read his true intentions.

Oh no... I think I'm actually convincing myself! What if he really is thinking that way? Haha =]]
then you have to write him that way
 

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I think you're taking this way too seriously, bro. You sound like someone playing with the mindset that humor should only appear occasionally, at just the right moments, to give players a break—never too much, because too much would be ridiculous.


Maybe it's just a cultural difference… perhaps. In my country, hardly anyone questions the MC being pervy or goofy. This is a comedy game, and for it to be funny, characters have to do silly things. You can't expect them to just frown, be all serious, and act completely logically. That wouldn't be much of a comedy, would it? :D
I'm not your bro, bro. Otherwise you would knew I wrote that as a man who is a jester, capable of joking all the time. But there is the thing, unless you want to be the only one laughing, you actually have to make right joke in right time and for right audience.

Sure, this game is suppose to be a comedy game and people are playing it to have a laugh with a bit of spicy extra content. Yet people can't simply laugh all the time, because soon it won't be funny anymore. Nobody is asking for this game to be serious, nor to stop trying to be funny. But having a bit of space between one joke and another is a good thing. Especially if it is same joke or smiillar situation.

It might be a cultural thing I suppose. Not the right audience so to say. Yet, overusing and overstretching a joke never is going to work. Chapter 9 was great example of this.

Hm... How should I explain this? There's something called "comedy logic". It's just like how adult game logic works.

When you play an adult game, you never ask questions like:
- Why does this female character so easily sleep with the MC?
- Why does she fall in love with him right after meeting him?
- Why is seducing girls so easy—just talk to them three times, and boom, you're in bed?
- Why does she act like it's nothing when the MC is already in a relationship with two other girls?
- How is he able to have a completely peaceful harem in a modern setting?

No one asks these questions, right? Because if someone does, the answer will be: "Dude, why are you taking this so seriously? It's an adult game!"

The same applies to comedy logic. People who are familiar with comedy never question why the MC does something weird or acts like a complete idiot—because that's what makes it comedy. Characters do silly things to create funny situations.

In adult games, there are two types of logic: story logic and adult content logic. Similarly, in comedy, there are two types of logic: story logic and comedy logic. People who are familiar with the comedy genre don't nitpick the logic of comedic moments—they only question things when the absurdity breaks the main story's logic.
Actually poeple do ask those questions and are quickly to point out flaws and unlogical or unbelievable situations. Most of the time when thier immersion is broken. When characters are acting unlike themselves. When story simply doesn't make sense, because explanations can't be even consider plausible in the setting.

Comedy is about having a laugh, but without consistency it will quickly fall flat. People won't question a stupid character to do something stupid, nor clumsy one if such is dropping something or is the one laying on the floor. But people will question it, as I wrote above, if they act unlike themselves.

MC in this game, for example, is quite the horny man in need of leaving a load, which he had multiple ocasions do to such thing, even if it is a bit of a stretch. So it is in his character to be somewhat perverted and having sexual thoughts almost all the time. But at the same time he was shown as someone who is not that much retarded. Stetching this joke of MC turning into retarded pervert who is unable to control himself, even though it is established he actually can do that, isn't funny. I would be funny, if it was short moment, a thought and an elbow into ribs from his maid, not whole chapter of one joke.

After those 9 chapters I can already point the major flaw in your project. You're doing a checklist. You're giving too much to chew. You're not pacing yourself. You are simply dumping everything in one go just to be done with it instead of mixing things to make it enjoyable.

First few chapters were about establishing the world and explaining multiple major events. Textbook thrown just to read and forget about it.
Another few chapters were about MC and his maid having sex, with quite the amount of sex scenes. Which, to be honest, was a bit too much too soon.
Now it is time to have "over the top" humor. So you are dumping jokes and funny (or unfunny) situations and left and right.

Haha, you could totally imagine it as a deeply calculated scheme by the MC.

Right now, he's like a pawn on the chessboard.
And the best way to escape the board is to break the rules. (Which is exactly why he made a beastkin his sworn knight.)

So maybe - just maybe - acting like a fool is all part of his grand plan, making it impossible for others to read his true intentions.

Oh no... I think I'm actually convincing myself! What if he really is thinking that way? Haha =]]
Then maybe it is finally time to establish some basic trope for MC. Because currently you wrote MC thinking one thing, acting way different while you are, here, trying to establish something way different.
 
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I'm not your bro, bro. Otherwise you would knew I wrote that as a man who is a jester, capable of joking all the time. But there is the thing, unless you want to be the only one laughing, you actually have to make right joke in right time and for right audience.

Sure, this game is suppose to be a comedy game and people are playing it to have a laugh with a bit of spicy extra content. Yet people can't simply laugh all the time, because soon it won't be funny anymore. Nobody is asking for this game to be serious, nor to stop trying to be funny. But having a bit of space between one joke and another is a good thing. Especially if it is same joke or smiillar situation.

It might be a cultural thing I suppose. Not the right audience so to say. Yet, overusing and overstretching a joke never is going to work. Chapter 9 was great example of this.



Actually poeple do ask those questions and are quickly to point out flaws and unlogical or unbelievable situations. Most of the time when thier immersion is broken. When characters are acting unlike themselves. When story simply doesn't make sense, because explanations can't be even consider plausible in the setting.

Comedy is about having a laugh, but without consistency it will quickly fall flat. People won't question a stupid character to do something stupid, nor clumsy one if such is dropping something or is the one laying on the floor. But people will question it, as I wrote above, if they act unlike themselves.

MC in this game, for example, is quite the horny man in need of leaving a load, which he had multiple ocasions do to such thing, even if it is a bit of a stretch. So it is in his character to be somewhat perverted and having sexual thoughts almost all the time. But at the same time he was shown as someone who is not that much retarded. Stetching this joke of MC turning into retarded pervert who is unable to control himself, even though it is established he actually can do that, isn't funny. I would be funny, if it was short moment, a thought and an elbow into ribs from his maid, not whole chapter of one joke.

After those 9 chapters I can already point the major flaw in your project. You're doing a checklist. You're giving too much to chew. You're not pacing yourself. You are simply dumping everything in one go just to be done with it instead of mixing things to make it enjoyable.

First few chapters were about establishing the world and explaining multiple major events. Textbook thrown just to read and forget about it.
Another few chapters were about MC and his maid having sex, with quite the amount of sex scenes. Which, to be honest, was a bit too much too soon.
Now it is time to have "over the top" humor. So you are dumping jokes and funny (or unfunny) situations and left and right.


Then maybe it is finally time to establish some basic trope for MC. Because currently you wrote MC thinking one thing, acting way different while you are, here, trying to establish something way different.
Sigh, I agree that there might be some inconsistencies in MC's personality. But hey, I'm still learning how to write, alright? Don't expect me to be on the level of some legendary author or a famous writer!

As for Chapter 9, I don't think that's really the issue here. To me, it was a great chapter. You might completely disagree, and that's fine—chalk it up to cultural differences. Hope you understand.

Another thing—don't ever assume that MC's plans and his actual actions will always match perfectly. A lot of unforeseen things can happen, and he has to adapt. For example, at first, he planned to act as a self-doubting, weak noble, but then he witnessed the abuse of a slave father and his child. After that, he realized that staying in that role would only strip him of his autonomy, so he changed his approach.

Also, he's not some smart guy. Everything you've heard about him being smart? That's just what other characters say about him—it's not my statement as the author.

He's just an ordinary guy.
(Okay, actually, that's a lie. He's just a perverted, horny bastard—someone full of filthy thoughts but too much of a coward to act on them in the real world. But now, after being thrown into a new world where he holds overwhelming power as the future Grand Duke, he's like a wild beast unleashed, making a complete fool of himself =]])
 
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Let me explain how we enjoy scenes like the ones in Chapter 9:

- For us, we're used to the comedy genre having moments where the MC's IQ drops to 50. (You wouldn't want the girls' IQ to drop to 50 and have them do ridiculous things, right? So instead, it's the MC who takes the hit, acting like a fool to create those over-the-top moments!)

- When watching, we don't care how ridiculous the MC looks. Our eyes are on the girls: What are they saying? How are they reacting? Are they adorable? The MC is just the setup guy—the one creating the dumb situations so the girls can react to them and become even cuter!

- That's it. We don't really care about the MC, nor do we question whether his actions make logical sense or not. In those moments, he's simply the comic relief. That's the key difference!
 

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You could also see it as us using the MC to live out our wild fantasies—things that would never happen in the real world.

For example, have you ever fantasized about the mysterious world inside the girls' dormitory bath? Ever dreamed of sneaking in? Setting foot in paradise?
Let's be real—no one would actually do that in real life. The few who try would almost certainly pay the price.

But in games, manga and anime, the MC does it for you. It's a classic comedy setup—he and his pervy best friend sneak over the wall, dive underwater, and overcome countless obstacles to reach "paradise."
And what's the outcome? Of course, they get caught by the girls! Maybe they get a few seconds of eye candy before getting punched straight into the stratosphere. That's the best-case scenario. The worst? The scary dorm matron catches them and forces them to scrub toilets for three days.

Or picture this: You're walking down the street and see a cute, adorable girl. Have you ever thought about just pulling her into a hug? Maybe you have. But social norms and the law keep you in check, stopping you from doing something so reckless.

But in games, anime, and manga? That's the world of imagination! How great would it be if the MC did that for you—charging straight ahead and giving you a hilarious moment with his over-the-top antics?

That's the point! These are just fleeting moments of fantasy—moments where you get to enjoy things that would never happen in reality. If you take everything too seriously, you'll never understand or appreciate them.
 
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Sigh, I agree that there might be some inconsistencies in MC's personality. But hey, I'm still learning how to write, alright? Don't expect me to be on the level of some legendary author or a famous writer!

As for Chapter 9, I don't think that's really the issue here. To me, it was a great chapter. You might completely disagree, and that's fine—chalk it up to cultural differences. Hope you understand.

Another thing—don't ever assume that MC's plans and his actual actions will always match perfectly. A lot of unforeseen things can happen, and he has to adapt. For example, at first, he planned to act as a self-doubting, weak noble, but then he witnessed the abuse of a slave father and his child. After that, he realized that staying in that role would only strip him of his autonomy, so he changed his approach.

Also, he's not some smart guy. Everything you've heard about him being smart? That's just what other characters say about him—it's not my statement as the author.

He's just an ordinary guy.
(Okay, actually, that's a lie. He's just a perverted, horny bastard—someone full of filthy thoughts but too much of a coward to act on them in the real world. But now, after being thrown into a new world where he holds overwhelming power as the future Grand Duke, he's like a wild beast unleashed, making a complete fool of himself =]])
Please refrain yourself from making things up, because I certainly didn't wrote about having expectations of your writting being on such high level. My expectations, just as your game, are currently pretty basic. Which is world, story and character consistency in more or less right amount to not make it boring, but also not tiredsome.

As a developer of your game you are based, because you are the one creating it. So, because you thought something you made is great, it doesn't mean it's the truth.

If I can't even assume MC is going to act the way he is supposed to act like him, not due to circumstances outside of his control, but due to "Ah, fuck it! I'm changing trope once again" or "Ah fuck it, I need him to be a retarded/stupid/horny/something for a current situation to progress" then I suppose it's bad writting.

Let me explain how we enjoy scenes like the ones in Chapter 9:

- For us, we're used to the comedy genre having moments where the MC's IQ drops to 50. (You wouldn't want the girls' IQ to drop to 50 and have them do ridiculous things, right? So instead, it's the MC who takes the hit, acting like a fool to create those over-the-top moments!)

- When watching, we don't care how ridiculous the MC looks. Our eyes are on the girls: What are they saying? How are they reacting? Are they adorable? The MC is just the setup guy—the one creating the dumb situations so the girls can react to them and become even cuter!

- That's it. We don't really care about the MC, nor do we question whether his actions make logical sense or not. In those moments, he's simply the comic relief. That's the key difference!
Just like I wrote about the paragraph above. A tool used to push the plot forward, which now gave a birth a question now... Why the whole world building and explanations, tons of dialogues, overthinking about next actions MC is going to take if in the end it's narrowing down to MC being a stupid goofball to laugh at?

You could also see it as us using the MC to live out our wild fantasies—things that would never happen in the real world.

For example, have you ever fantasized about the mysterious world inside the girls' dormitory bath? Ever dreamed of sneaking in? Setting foot in paradise?
Let's be real—no one would actually do that in real life. The few who try would almost certainly pay the price.

But in games, manga and anime, the MC does it for you. It's a classic comedy setup—he and his pervy best friend sneak over the wall, dive underwater, and overcome countless obstacles to reach "paradise."
And what's the outcome? Of course, they get caught by the girls! Maybe they get a few seconds of eye candy before getting punched straight into the stratosphere. That's the best-case scenario. The worst? The scary dorm matron catches them and forces them to scrub toilets for three days.

Or picture this: You're walking down the street and see a cute, adorable girl. Have you ever thought about just pulling her into a hug? Maybe you have. But social norms and the law keep you in check, stopping you from doing something so reckless.

But in games, anime, and manga? That's the world of imagination! How great would it be if the MC did that for you—charging straight ahead and giving you a hilarious moment with his over-the-top antics?

That's the point! These are just fleeting moments of fantasy—moments where you get to enjoy things that would never happen in reality. If you take everything too seriously, you'll never understand or appreciate them.
I'm going to be blunt here. Don't explain me how I should see things and what things could not happen in life, how MC is acting but not acting, how world and things are working, yet not working at all. I am not retarded, people playing your game are not retarded and I am quite certain you are not retarded too. Just write a plausable, in the world you made, situations and show them to people, so they can judge what they think of it and you can act accordingly to the feedback if necessary.

No matter how much you explain in your post why MC is acting not like himself due to a "reason", if this "reason" isn't shown in the game clearly enough or even at all.

You wrote like five posts explaining to me "You should see things this way!", yet your game is showing me "You should see things that way!". If what you are writting is not going to match what you're creating, then sooner or later it's going to fall flat.
Especially if you're going to treat it as points on a checklist to do.

Now, sadly, I have to go to work.
Cheers.
 

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Please refrain yourself from making things up, because I certainly didn't wrote about having expectations of your writting being on such high level. My expectations, just as your game, are currently pretty basic. Which is world, story and character consistency in more or less right amount to not make it boring, but also not tiredsome.

As a developer of your game you are based, because you are the one creating it. So, because you thought something you made is great, it doesn't mean it's the truth.

If I can't even assume MC is going to act the way he is supposed to act like him, not due to circumstances outside of his control, but due to "Ah, fuck it! I'm changing trope once again" or "Ah fuck it, I need him to be a retarded/stupid/horny/something for a current situation to progress" then I suppose it's bad writting.



Just like I wrote about the paragraph above. A tool used to push the plot forward, which now gave a birth a question now... Why the whole world building and explanations, tons of dialogues, overthinking about next actions MC is going to take if in the end it's narrowing down to MC being a stupid goofball to laugh at?



I'm going to be blunt here. Don't explain me how I should see things and what things could not happen in life, how MC is acting but not acting, how world and things are working, yet not working at all. I am not retarded, people playing your game are not retarded and I am quite certain you are not retarded too. Just write a plausable, in the world you made, situations and show them to people, so they can judge what they think of it and you can act accordingly to the feedback if necessary.

No matter how much you explain in your post why MC is acting not like himself due to a "reason", if this "reason" isn't shown in the game clearly enough or even at all.

You wrote like five posts explaining to me "You should see things this way!", yet your game is showing me "You should see things that way!". If what you are writting is not going to match what you're creating, then sooner or later it's going to fall flat.
Especially if you're going to treat it as points on a checklist to do.

Now, sadly, I have to go to work.
Cheers.

Haha, I think we're wasting way too much of each other's time.

Let's just put it this way—our views are like a hardcore NTR fan and an anti-NTR guy arguing. No matter how long we debate, even if it's until next year, nothing's gonna change!

You already know I'm not going to write or change things just to please you. If you find the game acceptable, play it. If not, drop it. It's as simple as that.

No need to keep arguing, right? =]]
 

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When watching, we don't care how ridiculous the MC looks. Our eyes are on the girls: What are they saying? How are they reacting? Are they adorable? The MC is just the setup guy—the one creating the dumb situations so the girls can react to them and become even cuter!
they become exactly as dumb as the MC arguable even dumber why would you want to share your live with an complete retard? On second thought that's not fair to retards because MC can do better he just decides not to he is worse than an actual retard that has no choice. And the girls fall for that? They have to be retards if they don't see that.
 
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they become exactly as dumb as the MC arguable even dumber why would you want to share your live with an complete retard? On second thought that's not fair to retards because MC can do better he just decides not to he is worse than an actual retard that has no choice. And the girls fall for that? They have to be retards if they don't see that.
That's exactly why I said it's a cultural difference.

Let me ask you this:

- In adult game X, the MC is just an average guy, yet eight girls are all over him. Why are the girls in the game so dumb? No one in real life would act like that.
- In adult game Y, the MC is a complete womanizer, sleeping with one girl after another, yet none of them seem to care. How does that make any sense?
- And so on...

What would your answer be? Wouldn't it be something like "Because that's just adult game logic"?

Well, it's the same here—this is comedy game logic, got it?

The stupidity dies the moment the comedy scene ends. We only judge the MC if he acts dumb in serious story moments. But when he's dumb in a comedy scene? Who cares?

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P/S: Oh, I almost forgot! Let me borrow your own question and ask it back to you:
The MC in adult games is absolute garbage—he sleeps with every girl he meets. And the girls fall for that? They have to be retards if they don't see that.
 
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That's exactly why I said it's a cultural difference.

Let me ask you this:

- In adult game X, the MC is just an average guy, yet eight girls are all over him. Why are the girls in the game so dumb? No one in real life would act like that.
- In adult game Y, the MC is a complete womanizer, sleeping with one girl after another, yet none of them seem to care. How does that make any sense?
- And so on...

What would your answer be? Wouldn't it be something like "Because that's just adult game logic"?

Well, it's the same here—this is comedy game logic, got it?

The stupidity dies the moment the comedy scene ends. We only judge the MC if he acts dumb in serious story moments. But when he's dumb in a comedy scene? Who cares?

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P/S: Oh, I almost forgot! Let me borrow your own question and ask it back to you:
The MC in adult games is absolute garbage—he sleeps with every girl he meets. And the girls fall for that? They have to be retards if they don't see that.
do you really want to make a Harem game?

Here is the thing the MC is not an Average guy. He never is. He is the Protagonist.
But even if he is not the protagonist Men and Women work different. Women work with Preselection trough social proof. The more success a dude has with women the more other women want him. That's also why Women try to make their partner jealous by flirting with other dudes when they feel insecure in their relation ship. So does it make sense? Somewhat I guess. We men can extrapolate why women act like that and can even see some sense in it. Like wanting the best chances for their offspring (aka resources), a save partner (already vetted by other women), etc. even if it seems nonsensical to us because we work just different.
That's real world logic by the way which is supported by scientific studies and dating app data. No porn logic or comedy logic needed.
But I'm pretty sure you just asked because you were sure you got a gotcha. Pretty sure Grok or Google AI could have told you that way faster and in more detail.
 

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do you really want to make a Harem game?

Here is the thing the MC is not an Average guy. He never is. He is the Protagonist.
But even if he is not the protagonist Men and Women work different. Women work with Preselection trough social proof. The more success a dude has with women the more other women want him. That's also why Women try to make their partner jealous by flirting with other dudes when they feel insecure in their relation ship. So does it make sense? Somewhat I guess. We men can extrapolate why women act like that and can even see some sense in it. Like wanting the best chances for their offspring (aka resources), a save partner (already vetted by other women), etc. even if it seems nonsensical to us because we work just different.
That's real world logic by the way which is supported by scientific studies and dating app data. No porn logic or comedy logic needed.
But I'm pretty sure you just asked because you were sure you got a gotcha. Pretty sure Grok or Google AI could have told you that way faster and in more detail.
Let me summarize your argument in one sentence—tell me if I got it right:

According to you, women are attracted to men who have been "pre-approved" by other women—men with experience in relationships, already validated by previous partners.


Is that correct?

You still haven't answered my question. Sure, a woman might not care if a man has had previous relationships, but only as long as he cuts off those past connections when he gets with her—so the relationship remains strictly 1-on-1.

No woman would be okay with a man sleeping with her in the morning, then her best friend in the afternoon, and later spending the night with a Milf and her daughter from down the street. Right?
Yet that's exactly what MCs in adult games do—all the time!

So, please explain that to me using real-world logic.


And if your response is something like:
"Hey, why are you being so strict? He's the protagonist! And come on, this is an adult game—who even applies real-world logic to adult games?"

Then, I ask you to stop using double standards when it comes to comedy games. Just admit it:
"Hey, I won't be strict about it! He's the protagonist, after all! And come on, this is a comedy game—who even applies real-world logic to comedy scenes?
 

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Let me summarize your argument in one sentence—tell me if I got it right:

According to you, women are attracted to men who have been "pre-approved" by other women—men with experience in relationships, already validated by previous partners.

Is that correct?

You still haven't answered my question. Sure, a woman might not care if a man has had previous relationships, but only as long as he cuts off those past connections when he gets with her—so the relationship remains strictly 1-on-1.

No woman would be okay with a man sleeping with her in the morning, then her best friend in the afternoon, and later spending the night with a Milf and her daughter from down the street. Right?
Yet that's exactly what MCs in adult games do—all the time!

So, please explain that to me using real-world logic.


And if your response is something like:
"Hey, why are you being so strict? He's the protagonist! And come on, this is an adult game—who even applies real-world logic to adult games?"

Then, I ask you to stop using double standards when it comes to comedy games. Just admit it:
"Hey, I won't be strict about it! He's the protagonist, after all! And come on, this is a comedy game—who even applies real-world logic to comedy scenes?
Like i said it wont make sense to you or me because men tick different, but every data point we have from the last 10 years show that Women are more willing to form an unwilling Harem with an 1% guy than live a life with an average man they have for them self. Does she wants him for her self? Sure she wants that but over all she doesn't want to lose him and she has exactly zero leverage. If she pressures him for commitment he can simply cut her off and date one of the other 100000 women lining up in his DMs to be in his live. So they don't rock the boat and put up with it. Because they would lose him. After all it's much more comfortable crying in a new Ferrari bought by your shared BF than crying in the 2004 Fiat Punto of your husband.

There are also enough women that knowingly date married men to make your question look foolish do you think they believe that the other women and the men's kids magically disappear just because they fuck? They know he has a Family and another wive waiting. She is okay with being the second women in an already established relationship. Because she things the Man in question is worth the risk.

So no your argument isn't backed up by anything. Least of all reality.

And MC in your game is exactly like that mythical 1% every girl in the fucking town would line up for him to get fucked and taken in as his. Every peasant girl would probably kill their own just to get a chance to live like Grand Duke's concubine. Never struggle for food, never think about money, be protected from Harm,never work a day for the rest of your live if you don't want to, your status is now automatically higher than 90% of all living people in an 100 km Radius. So to be frank why shouldn't they?

You do know, that Harems are a real World thing, right? They existed forever Rich man in every time period had as much women as they could afford. The Sultans had their Harem, that's where the name comes from in the first place. European Lords married mostly for political reason and kept their Mistresses hidden away from court in cottages or Houses in the next Village over. All those women in all times of the world knew they arent the only one and they did it regardless either for love or because it was, in their mind, better than the alternative. Other Lords Fucked every women they wanted and left Bastard children all over the map and the women did it just for the chance that there could develop more from it.

No its not a double standard to comedy. Men and Women are different we select for different things in a mate and we excel at different stuff.


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to give you an example of how skewed the female dating strategy is. If you translate the last findings from dating apps into a real live scenario it would look like this.

You have a party at a bar with 100 women in it and 100 men.
83 of those women ignore all the other men to stand in line just to talk to that one guy.
Will he leave the bar with all 83 of them pretty sure not but that's probably not because the women didn't try.
This is what the Dating App data is showing

But a Dude like that will leave the party with 3 of them and meet up with another two the next day and a few more the day after that. he doesn't need to hide that because it makes him more attractive to the girls if all the other girls want him he needs to be special after all.
 
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Let me summarize your argument in one sentence—tell me if I got it right:

According to you, women are attracted to men who have been "pre-approved" by other women—men with experience in relationships, already validated by previous partners.

Is that correct?

You still haven't answered my question. Sure, a woman might not care if a man has had previous relationships, but only as long as he cuts off those past connections when he gets with her—so the relationship remains strictly 1-on-1.

No woman would be okay with a man sleeping with her in the morning, then her best friend in the afternoon, and later spending the night with a Milf and her daughter from down the street. Right?
Yet that's exactly what MCs in adult games do—all the time!

So, please explain that to me using real-world logic.


And if your response is something like:
"Hey, why are you being so strict? He's the protagonist! And come on, this is an adult game—who even applies real-world logic to adult games?"

Then, I ask you to stop using double standards when it comes to comedy games. Just admit it:
"Hey, I won't be strict about it! He's the protagonist, after all! And come on, this is a comedy game—who even applies real-world logic to comedy scenes?
Using real world logic is simple. Harems are not imaginary fairy tale stories, they actually happened, they have been very common all thorough history and even now, the rich Arabs are still known to have several wives.

This is explained simply by he fact that men and women are fundamentally different so what you might think are double standards is just taking into account those differences.


Anyway, on the main point of the discussion I got to agree that shit gets too stupid in chapter 7 and worse later on, there's this thing as "doing way too much" to the point it stops being funny and ends up being mostly cringe and not enjoyable anymore. A dumb "silly" guy can have some charisma still..... but an autistic, mentally retarded individual is just annoying.

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mr.i.game

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Like i said it wont make sense to you or me because men tick different, but every data point we have from the last 10 years show that Women are more willing to form an unwilling Harem with an 1% guy than live a life with an average man they have for them self. Does she wants him for her self? Sure she wants that but over all she doesn't want to lose him and she has exactly zero leverage. If she pressures him for commitment he can simply cut her off and date one of the other 100000 women lining up in his DMs to be in his live. So they don't rock the boat and put up with it. Because they would lose him. After all it's much more comfortable crying in a new Ferrari bought by your shared BF than crying in the 2004 Fiat Punto of your husband.

There are also enough women that knowingly date married men to make your question look foolish do you think they believe that the other women and the men's kids magically disappear just because they fuck? They know he has a Family and another wive waiting. She is okay with being the second women in an already established relationship. Because she things the Man in question is worth the risk.

So no your argument isn't backed up by anything. Least of all reality.

And MC in your game is exactly like that mythical 1% every girl in the fucking town would line up for him to get fucked and taken in as his. Every peasant girl would probably kill their own just to get a chance to live like Grand Duke's concubine. Never struggle for food, never think about money, be protected from Harm,never work a day for the rest of your live if you don't want to, your status is now automatically higher than 90% of all living people in an 100 km Radius. So to be frank why shouldn't they?

You do know, that Harems are a real World thing, right? They existed forever Rich man in every time period had as much women as they could afford. The Sultans had their Harem, that's where the name comes from in the first place. European Lords married mostly for political reason and kept their Mistresses hidden away from court in cottages or Houses in the next Village over. All those women in all times of the world knew they arent the only one and they did it regardless either for love or because it was, in their mind, better than the alternative. Other Lords Fucked every women they wanted and left Bastard children all over the map and the women did it just for the chance that there could develop more from it.

No its not a double standard to comedy. Men and Women are different we select for different things in a mate and we excel at different stuff.


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to give you an example of how skewed the female dating strategy is. If you translate the last findings from dating apps into a real live scenario it would look like this.

You have a party at a bar with 100 women in it and 100 men.
83 of those women ignore all the other men to stand in line just to talk to that one guy.
Will he leave the bar with all 83 of them pretty sure not but that's probably not because the women didn't try.
This is what the Dating App data is showing

But a Dude like that will leave the party with 3 of them and meet up with another two the next day and a few more the day after that. he doesn't need to hide that because it makes him more attractive to the girls if all the other girls want him he needs to be special after all.
Oh, come on, stop making excuses.

What I'm saying is—go build a harem in England, France, or the U.S.! Not in some Arab country where the law already allows men to have multiple wives!

Because let's be real—every single harem story is either set in a Western-inspired world or an Eastern one like Japan. There's hardly a single harem work set in an Arab setting. Sure, some stories establish a world where harems are explicitly allowed, but those are the exception, not the rule.

If you still think this is "realistic," then that must mean the women around you behave the same way, right? Well then, instead of typing away on your keyboard, why don't you go out and build yourself a real-life harem? And when you do, don't forget to upload some pictures here—I'll be sure to congratulate you!


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If you're willing to dig up examples from distant Arab countries, or go back hundreds of years to feudal times, or even cite wild sex parties in the West to justify your argument, then why don't you take a moment to consider this:

In certain Eastern countries, the comedy scene with the MC that we're talking about is completely normal. Nobody would question his behavior. The only reason you find it strange is because you don't understand it—and refuse to understand it!

What's considered normal in one country can be unusual in another! Respecting cultural differences would save us a pointless argument, wouldn't it?

You respect polygamy in Arab cultures and even use it as proof to support your argument, right?
Then why can't you respect our comedy culture?

In our culture, the MC's comedic antics are completely normal—there is nothing wrong with how the girls react to him!
Just like in your culture, the ridiculous sexual logic in adult games is widely accepted no matter how absurd it gets!

You may not want to accept our perspective, and that's fine. But could you at least show some basic respect and stop forcing your views onto us?
 
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Juerhullycin

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Oh, come on, stop making excuses.

What I'm saying is—go build a harem in England, France, or the U.S.! Not in some Arab country where the law already allows men to have multiple wives!

Because let's be real—every single harem story is either set in a Western-inspired world or an Eastern one like Japan. There's hardly a single harem work set in an Arab setting. Sure, some stories establish a world where harems are explicitly allowed, but those are the exception, not the rule.

If you still think this is "realistic," then that must mean the women around you behave the same way, right? Well then, instead of typing away on your keyboard, why don't you go out and build yourself a real-life harem? And when you do, don't forget to upload some pictures here—I'll be sure to congratulate you!
you do understand what 1% of men means yes? what makes you think i am one of the few that make that 1%? If i were I would probably not be on here.

Harems happen all over the west right now its just called roster and situationships and shit like that. I don't need to go back to Arabia of old i just did that to clarify.
 

mr.i.game

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you do understand what 1% of men means yes? what makes you think i am one of the few that make that 1%? If i were I would probably not be on here.

Harems happen all over the west right now its just called roster and situationships and shit like that. I don't need to go back to Arabia of old i just did that to clarify.
So, you're saying that there are men who are either extremely handsome, rich, or powerful. And that there are women who willingly enter their harem for various reasons—whether it's being captivated by their looks, or drawn in by their wealth and influence.

Alright then, let me ask you this: Does the MC in my game fit that exact description?
Is he precisely the type of man who falls into that top 1%?

If your answer is YES, then why even ask this question?

they become exactly as dumb as the MC arguable even dumber why would you want to share your live with an complete retard? On second thought that's not fair to retards because MC can do better he just decides not to he is worse than an actual retard that has no choice. And the girls fall for that? They have to be retards if they don't see that.

Why not just answer it yourself? He is the future Grand Duke—wealthy and powerful.
Why would any of the girls even care about a few goofy antics? Shouldn't their main priority be finding a way into his bed instead?

Or are you implying that the women who would willingly sleep with a man of his status are somehow unintelligent?
 

mr.i.game

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And MC in your game is exactly like that mythical 1% every girl in the fucking town would line up for him to get fucked and taken in as his. Every peasant girl would probably kill their own just to get a chance to live like Grand Duke's concubine. Never struggle for food, never think about money, be protected from Harm,never work a day for the rest of your live if you don't want to, your status is now automatically higher than 90% of all living people in an 100 km Radius. So to be frank why shouldn't they?
Oh, sorry, you already answered it! My bad, I just skimmed through.


Well then, no more issues here! The girls will keep flocking to him, and you've just answered your own question. Congrats!
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TonyEG

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Crazy how i was looking for something to play and got caught up in this discussion about who's more retarded: the crying people, the developer, or the protagonist in this game. Maybe I'll play it later because this made me laugh
 

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Oh, sorry, you already answered it! My bad, I just skimmed through.


Well then, no more issues here! The girls will keep flocking to him, and you've just answered your own question. Congrats!
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Hehe, I think he's only answered 1% of the question. That is, with 1% of wealthy and powerful MCs, you guys agree that they can build harems in real life
But for the remaining 99%, the MCs are ordinary guys, or even failures, can they really create harems in real life? I want to hear him prove it :poop:
 
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