VN Ren'Py Instinct Unleashed [Ch.10] [Kind Nightmares]

[Kind Nightmares]

Wait so Ashley raising her opinion is a bad thing then? Her distress is understandable. Jade never discussed that she is fucking her friend and possibility of her being pregnant. Of course she is in distress listening from her friend that she is pregnant with Jade's child.

From what you are saying, Jade should suppress anyone raising any opinion against them. Okay.

But how is Jade 25? Then how old is her brother? How old is Evelyn? From what I gather, Ashley is 18 years old. How can their be only 7 years gap between them? Because from what it seemed, Evelyn had a crush on Jade when she was in school. The age doesn't make sense.

I never said I was an expert, but one can see what dominant behavior usually entails to. First of all the DOm/SUb mechanics comes down to sexual relationships based on consent. But outside of it, in normal conversations, if someone suppresses your opinions, that isn't dominant behavior, that boils down to bullying. If Jade feels bad someone raised their voice against her, why won't the other person feel bad that Jade suppresses any and all opinion raised against her? Then you are saying Jade is always right and her opinion is the one that matters.

The worst thing for a writer, as well as a developer, is to tell ex post facto what he meant when someone has already read/play his work.

I was hoping it would be obvious that Jade was trying to protect Julie and her and Ashley's friendship. She openly said that if Ashley wanted to blame someone, let her blame Jade herself.

And judging by your next question you're not really reading my game, so I don't see the point in having a conversation with you. I'm just going to get more upset.
If you think Jade is a bully, so be it. I'm not going to try to change your mind. Have a nice day.

 

[Alucard421]

The worst thing for a writer, as well as a developer, is to tell ex post facto what he meant when someone has already read/play his work.

I was hoping it would be obvious that Jade was trying to protect Julie and her and Ashley's friendship. She openly said that if Ashley wanted to blame someone, let her blame Jade herself.

And judging by your next question you're not really reading my game, so I don't see the point in having a conversation with you. I'm just going to get more upset.
If you think Jade is a bully, so be it. I'm not going to try to change your mind. Have a nice day.

Really, the ages of the characters question is offensive? I was confused when you said Jade is 25. If Jade is 25, then Ashley would have been born when she was 7. That means at min Jade's brother and Evelyn would have married at around 18 which suggests they are about 11 years older but that contradicts how Evelyn can have a crush on Jade in her teenage years if she was already married by the time Jade is a teen. Or maybe the world created by you has lower age of consent or age of marriage? Or maybe as you have mentioned Jade had a childhood crush on Evelyn when she was 7 years old and Evelyn was 18 years and marries Adam.

Not saying characters should be perfect. Jade being an unintentional bully is a character flaw. Maybe a pet peeve of mine but thats your character, but you also have every right to be upset if your character gets criticism, unfair or not.

 

[pitao]

Really, the ages of the characters question is offensive? I was confused when you said Jade is 25. If Jade is 25, then Ashley would have been born when she was 7. That means at min Jade's brother and Evelyn would have married at around 18 which suggests they are about 11 years older but that contradicts how Evelyn can have a crush on Jade in her teenage years if she was already married by the time Jade is a teen. Or maybe the world created by you has lower age of consent or age of marriage? Or maybe as you have mentioned Jade had a childhood crush on Evelyn when she was 7 years old and Evelyn was 18 years and marries Adam.

Not saying characters should be perfect. Jade being an unintentional bully is a character flaw. Maybe a pet peeve of mine but thats your character, but you also have every right to be upset if your character gets criticism, unfair or not.

So isn't plausible for Adam to be 36? So a person isn't allowed to have a crush on a teenager or can't it happen even if someone is married with her brother? As long doesn't act on it at illegal age of consent isn't illegal, morally is another question, but better not going there.

But really I don't remember Evelyn saying that had a crush on Jade in teen years, maybe I missed it or wasn't too focused at that time, only thing is clear is what is on the characters bios, and simply says that Jade had a childhood crush on Evelyn like some children have at a very young age (for me is more admiration than "love" at that age but whatever) and couldn't even happen after they got married, I don't see why not, like things like that don't happen even when they struggle with those feelings because society and upbringing says its wrong. Anyway all you have asked is irrelevant for me (and I bet for most of us) and only creates confusion.

You are overthinking all of this (and so did I on that my little pointless dissertation). That is only a good way to make just another developer on this site to stop interacting with the community here, like many of them got fed up by being interrogated and criticized with pointless arguments. You talked about bullying but what you did was very close to it, you are intitled to criticize the developer or the game but in my view you went too far.

 

[Alucard421]

So isn't plausible for Adam to be 36? So a person isn't allowed to have a crush on a teenager or can't it happen even if someone is married with her brother? As long doesn't act on it at illegal age of consent isn't illegal, morally is another question, but better not going there.

But really I don't remember Evelyn saying that had a crush on Jade in teen years, maybe I missed it or wasn't too focused at that time, only thing is clear is what is on the characters bios, and simply says that Jade had a childhood crush on Evelyn like some children have at a very young age (for me is more admiration than "love" at that age but whatever) and couldn't even happen after they got married, I don't see why not, like things like that don't happen even when they struggle with those feelings because society and upbringing says its wrong. Anyway all you have asked is irrelevant for me (and I bet for most of us) and only creates confusion.

You are overthinking all of this (and so did I on that my little pointless dissertation). That is only a good way to make just another developer on this site to stop interacting with the community here, like many of them got fed up by being interrogated and criticized with pointless arguments. You talked about bullying but what you did was very close to it, you are intitled to criticize the developer or the game but in my view you went too far.

My first comment was simply me showing what one thing I dislike about Jade. That is the observation I made. I don't know why the Dev took it as a shade to their character. There was no shade it was just an observation of the character.
https://thef95zone.info/threads/instinct-unleashed-ch-10-kind-nightmares.196088/post-16558218

I don't know why the Dev took it as an offense. Am I not allowed of dislike certain aspects of the character?

 

[Maviarab]

First of all the DOm/SUb mechanics comes down to sexual relationships based on consent.

Please...stop talking now...D/s actually has very little to do with sex.

 

[Alucard421]

Please...stop talking now...D/s actually has very little to do with sex.

Ahh then please educate me how Dom/Sub mechanics work. I am illiterate in that field you see.
Somehow I thought that not treating characters with basic empathy and respecting their opinions is considered Dominance.
But maybe there is something deeper about Dom/Subs that you can educate me about.

 

[Kind Nightmares]

My first comment was simply me showing what one thing I dislike about Jade. That is the observation I made. I don't know why the Dev took it as a shade to their character. There was no shade it was just an observation of the character.
https://thef95zone.info/threads/instinct-unleashed-ch-10-kind-nightmares.196088/post-16558218

I don't know why the Dev took it as an offense. Am I not allowed of dislike certain aspects of the character?

I'm not offended. I'm upset. Those are different things.

Like I said, you can feel whatever you want, I have no right to forbid you anything, however the examples you gave showed me that you are very inattentive to the plot.
Don't worry, you're not the only one.

When I started making the game I thought that adding some easter eggs or some innuendo between characters in chapters would be great, especially if people would notice, guess for themselves and talk about it, but the further things went the more I realized that almost no one gives a fuck about it as long as it doesn't involve fucking. You've only confirmed that once again.

Jade doesn't have to please everyone. For example, I don't like 99 percent of the main characters in games I've played and I'm more than sure the developers don't care. I was just explaining my point of view, since your first post contained the assertion that I don't know what dominant behavior looks like. I'm still waiting for an example of real dominant behavior, by the way.

 

[Alucard421]

I'm not offended. I'm upset. Those are different things.

Like I said, you can feel whatever you want, I have no right to forbid you anything, however the examples you gave showed me that you are very inattentive to the plot.
Don't worry, you're not the only one.

When I started making the game I thought that adding some easter eggs or some innuendo between characters in chapters would be great, especially if people would notice, guess for themselves and talk about it, but the further things went the more I realized that almost no one gives a fuck about it as long as it doesn't involve fucking. You've only confirmed that once again.

Jade doesn't have to please everyone. For example, I don't like 99 percent of the main characters in games I've played and I'm more than sure the developers don't care. I was just explaining my point of view, since your first post contained the assertion that I don't know what dominant behavior looks like. I'm still waiting for an example of real dominant behavior, by the way.

"Respect, Trust, Communication.

Every relationship requires mutual consent to work. Sexual relationships also require an understanding and respect of one another’s interests, and limitations, in a more limited or concentrated area of that relationship. A dominant/submissive relationship is no different in those aspects. “Kinky” sexual interests are, perhaps a far more sensitive area for many, perhaps more so for the submissives, but not necessarily so, and therefore require “kid gloves”, extra care, respect, understanding. This is the basis for such a relationship.

The dominant may have certain ideas as to what he/she may want/enjoy doing to/with their submissives, the submissives may also have certain ideas as to what they would like done to/with them by a dominant or dominants. Before any “scene” or “play” can/should take place, they need to discuss their interests, and limitations to find their common ground, and come to mutual agreement/s regarding they’re prospective activities. And all limitations must be respected and adhered to. There is no relationship w/o respect and trust, and no relationship will last w/o them.

Therefore, for example, you cannot do something to a submissive, unless they have told you it is ok to do said thing to them. It is not ok to “surprise” them with something they said you CAN do to them, UNLESS they SAID you can surprise them w/said act.

It is also vital in a d/s relationship to constantly talk and reevaluate what has been experienced, to “stay on the same page”. With each new experience, we learn new things, and change our minds about how we view things. So, interests an limitations can and most likely WILL change. So communication is of the utmost importance, as it is in ANY relationship. Most especially because communication in a d/s relationship CAN be tricky; it’s important to know when no means yes, and when no means no, when stop means don’t stop, and when stop means stop.

Respect, Trust, Communication.

If any one of those thing stops, the relationship stops."

 

[Alucard421]

I'm not offended. I'm upset. Those are different things.

Like I said, you can feel whatever you want, I have no right to forbid you anything, however the examples you gave showed me that you are very inattentive to the plot.
Don't worry, you're not the only one.

When I started making the game I thought that adding some easter eggs or some innuendo between characters in chapters would be great, especially if people would notice, guess for themselves and talk about it, but the further things went the more I realized that almost no one gives a fuck about it as long as it doesn't involve fucking. You've only confirmed that once again.

Jade doesn't have to please everyone. For example, I don't like 99 percent of the main characters in games I've played and I'm more than sure the developers don't care. I was just explaining my point of view, since your first post contained the assertion that I don't know what dominant behavior looks like. I'm still waiting for an example of real dominant behavior, by the way.

Did you really get upset when I expressed my opinion regarding certain things I dislike about Jade, about how she acts as an unintentional bully in certain situations? And I expressed that because I was particularly attentive during the dialogue and I expressly saw how Jade behaved against those she calls her potential lovers. Protecting friendships by lying about fucking behind their backs then subduing any sort of opinions they present regarding this? I am not saying Jade should be flawless. Flawed characters work better always. But expressing criticism regarding their behaviors is not something that should be upsetting.

Jade doesn't need to please everyone. But atleast those who are her lovers deserve the same amount of respect they give to her. You literally squashed a potential relationship between Bel and Viv because both adult women who love the same person need permission to love each other as well.

 

[Maviarab]

I just....I can't...I give up.

 

[Alucard421]

I just....I can't...I give up.

Nobody asked you to reply dude. You could have just ignored me and moved on.

 

[Kind Nightmares]

Did you really get upset when I expressed my opinion regarding certain things I dislike about Jade, about how she acts as an unintentional bully in certain situations? And I expressed that because I was particularly attentive during the dialogue and I expressly saw how Jade behaved against those she calls her potential lovers. Protecting friendships by lying about fucking behind their backs then subduing any sort of opinions they present regarding this? I am not saying Jade should be flawless. Flawed characters work better always. But expressing criticism regarding their behaviors is not something that should be upsetting.

Jade doesn't need to please everyone. But atleast those who are her lovers deserve the same amount of respect they give to her. You literally squashed a potential relationship between Bel and Viv because both adult women who love the same person need permission to love each other as well.

Okay, I thought I was pretty clear about what I was upset about. But I guess I need to clarify.

I'm not upset that you don't like Jade, I'm upset that you don't read carefully and don't understand what's going on between the characters.

You can't even understand what I write in my posts.

 

[Alucard421]

Okay, I thought I was pretty clear about what I was upset about. But I guess I need to clarify.

I'm not upset that you don't like Jade, I'm upset that you don't read carefully and don't understand what's going on between the characters.

You can't even understand what I write in my posts.

i never said I disliked Jade. I said I dislike certain aspects of her. If I dislike Jade, I won't have given a 5 star rating to this game, if I didn't like Jade. There are far superior animated games I know of. Even if I find the renders a bit lesser, I gave this game 5 star because I like the game and characters. When I truly dislike a character, I completely purge those games from the search lists, give it a 1 star rating and move on. This game and its characters are not something I dislike. This game is a permastay in my system and I even subscribed to your SubscribeStar before I had financial problems. So I had no idea how you came to the conclusion that I don't like Jade.

And you say she underwent character development. What I mentioned with Ashley happened in Chapter 10. The same thing that happened in chapter 4. So that particular issue of her never got any development. Not that every issue of her needs development. But from what I have seen, the past mistakes she did with her loved ones are the ones she is resolving. Her flaws are something she is not resolving. And all flaws doesn't need to be resolved. Flawed characters are better in that regard. But nobody ever pushes back against the wrongs Jade does.

 

[jadepaladin]

You ever open F95 in a decent mood and then open up a thread on a VN you love and start reading the recent comments and just watch the mood rapidly drain?

KN, you're a good dev and I hope nothing of what happened today gets under your skin long term. Some people just like to be very loud with their stances just in case we overlook them.

 

[Alucard421]

Well if expressing an opinion on the perceived flaws of a character based on observation gets under the skin, then damn I apologize sincerely. I hope the dev doesn't get such inappropriate and baseless observation from other players. This game is a good game.

But well I had no idea that personal opinions of a game and character based on observation sometimes can make people that upset. I profusely apologize for everything KindNightmares. That was my one criticism of the character and I dont know why I mentioned it here. That was a clear mistake on my part.

Well all the best to your game. Since I have started the journey and not rated this game low, it would be a disservice not to stay till the end of the story. So all the best to your future work and endeavors and well, looking forward to your future updates.

 

[Kontralta]

Well, at least this isn't another stupid bullshit that a "real" futanari should have both genitals.

 

[Alucard421]

Well, at least this isn't another stupid bullshit that a "real" futanari should have both genitals.

Though I am of the boat of "both genitals", that isn't a particular issue for me since most 3d artists prefer just the dick.

 

[Kind Nightmares]

Well if expressing an opinion on the perceived flaws of a character based on observation gets under the skin, then damn I apologize sincerely. I hope the dev doesn't get such inappropriate and baseless observation from other players. This game is a good game.

But well I had no idea that personal opinions of a game and character based on observation sometimes can make people that upset. I profusely apologize for everything KindNightmares. That was my one criticism of the character and I dont know why I mentioned it here. That was a clear mistake on my part.

Well all the best to your game. Since I have started the journey and not rated this game low, it would be a disservice not to stay till the end of the story. So all the best to your future work and endeavors and well, looking forward to your future updates.

Maybe you're mocking me on purpose, because with every post you make I feel like you don't read what I post at all.

It's absolutely normal that you don't like something about the game or Jade, it's absolutely normal to express an opinion, even a negative one. This is the third or even fourth time I've said that I'm upset by the lack of interest in the story and some of its elements, which I put a lot of effort into. Don't make me a hysterical person who doesn't take criticism, it's not like that at all. A lot of things in the game have been changed for the better even after I received outright negative feedback where people said the game was bad, but gave reasons why.

I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm trying to give you a hint that maybe you didn't understand my idea to claim I did something wrong?

 

[Ciaran8023]

It kind of boggles my mind that someone would insinuate that KN is unreasonable (as in can't take criticisms or something similar). I've been here for a decent amount of time and KN is about the most open, willing to discuss and levelheaded dev I've come across.
Moreover, it's fairly interesting how a few of us that are pretty sensitive to character traits haven't conflated Jade's behaviour towards certain individuals as 'bullying', given that they all carry their own context and subtle relationship quirks that should give you a better understanding if you care enough to pick up on them.

Also as a sidenote, dom/sub relationships can expand FAR beyond the bedroom depending on what each individual wants. It's far from uncommon.

This isn't to disparage the original poster from posting what they feel like since everyone is free to voice their opinion, but I just felt like it was a really silly argument to get in.

 

[Buletti]

When I started making the game I thought that adding some easter eggs or some innuendo between characters in chapters would be great, especially if people would notice, guess for themselves and talk about it, but the further things went the more I realized that almost no one gives a fuck about it as long as it doesn't involve fucking. You've only confirmed that once again.

Mate, please don´t underestimate the "silent majority".

For me the way the characters interact and talk with each other make the world you build even more believable and enjoyable. As I said before, imho the story is good. Not only good for a porn VN but genuinly good. My guess is that most of the people enjoy this as well but either cannot put this feeling in words or just don´t feel the need to give a positive feedback. Anyone who works in a field with customers is used to the fact that it is just more likely that people critisize things they don´t like than people telling you something positive if everything goes smooth because that is the expected outcome.

Your VN would not have the review score it has if people would not care about your writing.

Trust me, bro

Cheers!