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It is a little funny how Ami, Himawari, Nodoka, and Sekai are all on the smaller side.Jokes on you, at least we know Yumi can't be Arakawa, since every Arakawa woman is flat or near-flat
But hey, if LiLcord decided to create a dorm war princesses contest, then I would expect a fight between Yumi and Touka.
Then there's Saki:
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Also, let's not forget the bubblewrap princess. Ayane is one of the three Kumon-mi princesses, along with Touka and Yumi.
It'd be interesting if they each end up with a C-god. Yumi seems to already have Pareidolia/Concerned, and I'm somewhat leaning towards Ayane finding HOPE, tbh:
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Edit: Technically there's also Tsuneyo. The "Kendo Princess of the Golden Desert", who'd probably fit Wires the best. Which leaves Touka with the 4th god?
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It's bits like this that always reminds how blurry the line is between enjoying the writing for it's scene by scene entertainment and enjoying it for it's foreshadowing and payoffs. I have to admit, I get so distracted by how attached I've gotten to the characters and their unique voices that I kind of forget all the legwork the plot developments have done throughout this literal epic of a game.
After trying some of the other big name western-authored VNs here I came across some with that snappy snark and pacing I'm into, but I've yet to find something with the character depth I get from LiL. Sometimes I feel like I'm crazy or my taste is broken. Why am I so damn attached to THIS of all things? Is it just Stockholm Syndrome? Am I the groomed rather than the groomer?
Too early to know.
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Bro... I fucking hate Sel for this. We could have expected this? Yes. But let her have something pls, its painful to see that she lose everything
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Sudden shower thought realization:
The plot doesn't make any sense.
The lore doesn't make any sense.
The story explores deep internalized trauma.
The story keeps repeating itself...
It's fucking cycles of guilt again, isn't it?
*E.Y.E.: Divine Cybermancy logo fades in.*
Except it's keeping your attention with porn.
What we see is not what's happening, nothing is actually happening.
I am free. The sun is bright. I am among friends.
I can stop trying to make sense of this insanity.
The plot doesn't make any sense.
The lore doesn't make any sense.
The story explores deep internalized trauma.
The story keeps repeating itself...
It's fucking cycles of guilt again, isn't it?
*E.Y.E.: Divine Cybermancy logo fades in.*
Except it's keeping your attention with porn.
What we see is not what's happening, nothing is actually happening.
I am free. The sun is bright. I am among friends.
I can stop trying to make sense of this insanity.
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It is, in the sense that if you take the green path (no events missed), "Things that hurt" is part of it. But the game does offer you choice, therefore a "red path" (missing events) is also valid.
In a meta sort of way, it could be that both missing and not missing events is canon. Due to the nature of the wishing well, the player going through the "red path" could be simply not seeing the things that happen (green path), as they're certainly happening in other realities where the green path is being followed.
But, long story short, until the game is done, we don't know if there will be repercussions to missing events in how it relates to having paths/endings blocked or not. The game is barely at the halfway mark.
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Makes sense, I am often a moron
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Adding two also circumstantial things that might swim in similar waters:
- According to Touka, there is someone else with conditions similar to Yasu's that got admitted to the hospital a lot earlier than her. If this person indeed showed divine symptoms and indeed also was Rin's bio-mom (considering how she was found and handled, this would be a likely result for her), then this strengthens Rin's tie to Nozomu. Granted, this person could be Kaori for all we know, someone whose past medical history is more documented in the game than the rest of the characters.
- There is, however, canonically one person who did have divine symptoms and did have sex with Nozumu at the same time; Sekai. If one plots a regression line and correlates seeing things, hearing things, and being clinically insane with sleeping with Nozomu, then it strengthens ties of both Rin and Sana to Nozomu.
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- The statement "being fucked by Nozomu leads to experiencing supernatural things" is not impeccable. The causality between the two may not exist and might not be easy to prove. Sara and Sekai's experience might have started before they slept with the culprit in question. Yasu, on the other hand, has no problem being a cute little crazy person without anyone fucking her or her mom (as far as we know).
- The root of the whole "Nozomu Arakawa being the dad of Rin and Sana" business is the fact that both moms experienced the unexplainable while one of them is sure to linked to the first god with the name Nozomu. Because of that, the older Arakawa brother automatically bears the blame of impregnating girls and fucking them crazy despite the fact that we know very, very little of him (but to be honest, why would you think otherwise?).
However, to disengage god's doings from older Arakawa's alleged doings, I once proposed the idea of human Nozomu being named after the god Nozomu for folks who find Sara and Rin's bio-mom's connections to the first god non-negligible, but find the idea of Akira's brother possibly being the dude quite far-fetched. This is an intentional exploit of Saki's religious nature but no further details of what religion that was. This way, Sara/Sana and Rin keep their connections to the first god but Nozomu Arakawa the human has nothing to do with it. We thus don't need to force the blame onto him when we again, know very little about him, even if his suspicion level is, objectively speaking, through the roof.
- Following a similar track to the bullet point above, Sara's and Rin's bio-mom's connections could potentially be "established by submitting yourself to Pegasus" on a casual walk on your way home. This takes "having sex with the older Arakawa brother" completely out of the equation if you're willing to believe that Sara and Rin's bio-mom might have simply been favored by entities or messengers/embodiments of some gods out of nowhere.
All of the counterpoints above do not reject the fact that Sana and Rin might be related via something, blood or no blood. I am merely exploring the possibility of "maybe it's not via Nozomu Arakawa".
- Last and definitely the least: if Nozomu Arakawa indeed is the bio-dad of both Sana and Rin, this game would have way too many fucking nieces and way too many niece fucking. I think I can accept one of them being the hidden niece and it would be a proper shocking reveal. If both of them are nieces then shocking turns to comical; like a "why stop at 2 (or 3) nieces when you can have 20?" thing.
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Sara points out that she had to hide her episodes from Sana's father, and he freaked out about it. Sekai is also likely to have been having episodes since way before Nozomu (this wasn't stated anywhere, but it's what I'm infering from context).
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- There are several candidates for the patient similar to Yasu and I don't think we have enough evidence to narrow it down yet, but if I had to make a guess right now I'm going with Kyoko. Rin's mom is a "near mute" which makes me think she's similar to Sara and Sensei in that her blackouts cause her to be less present in the real world. In contrast, Yasu's craziness manifests in talking too much, directly channeling the word of god(s). I don't remember the exact phrasing, but Nodoka has talked about how people thought that Kyoko was crazy because of the stuff she said.
- I agree on Nozomu's name, it's not an important factor in why I suspect him. Or rather his first name isn't - being an Arakawa definitely matters.
- It's possible that Rin's mom and Sara have a purely supernatural connection (i.e. Pegasus), but then I don't understand the purpose of all of the similarities between the two human figures who are believed to be their baby daddies. Or they have a shared human baby daddy and also a shared supernatural connection which is completely unrelated, but I find that needlessly complicated. What makes the most sense to me is it's one human father and then Pegasus/Pareidolia's connection is through that father.
- I'm taking a wait and see approach on the "everyone is secretly related" thing - I agree it seems cheesy on the surface, but hopefully Selebus has planned out a way of revealing it that makes sense. The good news is that if Rin and Sana are Nozomu's daughters then that's it, there can't be any more lurking around or else Sana would have been survived by more than one other.
- Agreed on Sekai, since her issues could easily be hereditary we shouldn't assume they have anything to do with Nozomu (even if they might).
- Sara specifically linked her "curse" to her time in high school in "The Place She Falls Asleep At Night". I don't see a reason to assume that it started earlier.
- I think there's a number of possible reasons for the reaction of Sara's teacher to her blackouts. For example (just throwing a possibility out there, not saying I think it's true) maybe her teacher thought he was special because of his own connection to god(s) and he got angry that Sara had something similar and he wasn't unique.
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"survived by" Is also kind of annoying to theorise around. My understanding is its usually used for Immediate family but circumstances can cause it to be used more broadly. And that just leaves so much room to manoeuvre unless you decide that because it was specifically brought up in the way it was it should be interpreted as broadly just 1 other. Which then does kind of eliminate the Nozomu angle. Because if you want to decide its broadly 1 other, you have at least Akira and Ami that would be related so that would rule Nozomu out, if you took that view of it. Or alternatively you take the view that its being used in the narrow sense and is only referring to immediate relatives, In which case its still a possibility. But even in that case its still not really being used inside that narrow scope in the first place as its referring to a relative that they don't know exists. (But I guess the narrator does know, so maybe that doesn't change anything about the scope of that phrase.) But you still have the unknown incestuous relations shenanigans going on that kind of add some confusion even to the narrow scope of the phrase.
Just too much flexibility. Not sure I can take anything form it, other than that there is something to take from it. And that I hate family trees.
Edit: I have somehow confused myself while writing this. I'm not sure what I even mean anymore. I made some changes but I'm not sure they help that much.
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It could be worse. How it's written is grammatically correct with the commas and someone's title, but you can also read it as referring to 3 people. Sana's mother, Sara Sakakibara, and one other.
Also the fact that there would be a second father to worry about, (if we're assuming Sana is Sara's biological daughter) all the ingame dialogue referring to the teacher that fucked Sara while she was a student would only be the older Shota's father. Unless Sara allowed the guy to come back for a second attempt after the first cum & go, we haven't heard about Sana's father IIRC.
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This is your Joker moment
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I thought they were the same guy? I could be wrong. Something like he was unhappy with Sara having the first kid then bailed after she got pregnant with Sana.
Additional weird thought. Has anyone ever thought about the only difference between Sana and Sara being the second half of a lower case n.
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This is getting too convoluted, like that one
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Fanfest link updated for March 20th!
Noriko's Haruka's gravure set has now been released:
Another poll for the final animation of Fanfest next week is also up, this time focusing on Teen versions of the older characters in the game:
Poll choices are:
- Niki Nakayama
- Kaori Kadowaki
- Haruka Hamasaki
- Maki Miyamura
- Osako Osaka
- Sara Sakakibara
- Tsubasa Tsukioka
- Wakana Watabe
- Yuki Yamaguchi
- Rika Rokuhara
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Another poll for the final animation of Fanfest next week is also up, this time focusing on Teen versions of the older characters in the game:
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Poll choices are:
- Niki Nakayama
- Kaori Kadowaki
- Haruka Hamasaki
- Maki Miyamura
- Osako Osaka
- Sara Sakakibara
- Tsubasa Tsukioka
- Wakana Watabe
- Yuki Yamaguchi
- Rika Rokuhara