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so far this has been good, there's been only two things I don't like- 1st: when the mc's adventure companion/romance in my run through she feed like a evil monster on a innocent person and I chose to encourage that behavior, but then after a few parts it acts like I asked her to go friendly and not act like a monster. 2nd: the part where we fight the woman on the boat, 1st since she works for the king she would know who we are & that we're close to the king, queen, and princess thus being higher on the pecking order then her. and the fight with her shouldn't be close, in terms of power she's and an ant and we're a brachiosaurus, it should have when we took it easier on her out of humanity until she stabs us, then unleash the beast with a light choice & dark choice on how bad we beat her. light side is we dodge a few hits like ultra instinct until she's tired, then a simple two finger "tap" to the forehead and out she goes. and the dark side - go kratos vs Hercules on her, followed by a kill her or save her choice.
 
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so far this has been good, there's been only two things I don't like- 1st: when the mc's adventure companion/romance in my run through she feed like a evil monster on a innocent person and I chose to encourage that behavior, but then after a few parts it acts like I asked her to go friendly and not act like a monster. 2nd: the part where we fight the woman on the boat, 1st since she works for the king she would know who we are & that we're close to the king, queen, and princess thus being higher on the pecking order then her. and the fight with her shouldn't be close, in terms of power she's and an ant and we're a brachiosaurus, it should have when we took it easier on her out of humanity until she stabs us, then unleash the beast with a light choice & dark choice on how bad we beat her. light side is we dodge a few hits like ultra instinct until she's tired, then a simple two finger "tap" to the forehead and out she goes. and the dark side - go kratos vs Hercules on her, followed by a kill her or save her choice.
Just because Diana works for the king, doesn't mean she had to know who the MC is because she's often away from the kingdom on missions and whatnot. Even if she was around the kingdom, she interacts with the king and not the princess so why would she know who the MC is? She might have heard that the princess was getting a new guard, but it's not like the king introduced the MC to the entire kingdom. Also, not sure a personal guard is "higher on the pecking order" than a naval commander. If I remember correctly, the fight was close because the MC had to run across the ocean to get to the ships. That used a lot of power so he wasn't at 100%. Even at 100%, the MC admitted it would probably still be close because he would need more training and she's the most powerful human he's faced or something like that. The MC has the potential to have as much power as you're saying, but he's not really there yet in the story.
 

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Besides he was also not trying to kill her. I would assume that limits what abilities and power he uses in the fight.
Also story reasons I am sure ;)
 

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2nd: the part where we fight the woman on the boat, 1st since she works for the king she would know who we are & that we're close to the king, queen, and princess thus being higher on the pecking order then her.
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Just because Diana works for the king, doesn't mean she had to know who the MC is because she's often away from the kingdom on missions and whatnot. Even if she was around the kingdom, she interacts with the king and not the princess so why would she know who the MC is? She might have heard that the princess was getting a new guard, but it's not like the king introduced the MC to the entire kingdom. Also, not sure a personal guard is "higher on the pecking order" than a naval commander.
This. As is shown in dialogue, half the damn palace guards still don't know who he is, why would the top brass of the royal fleet?
 
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so far this has been good, there's been only two things I don't like- 1st: when the mc's adventure companion/romance in my run through she feed like a evil monster on a innocent person and I chose to encourage that behavior, but then after a few parts it acts like I asked her to go friendly and not act like a monster. 2nd: the part where we fight the woman on the boat, 1st since she works for the king she would know who we are & that we're close to the king, queen, and princess thus being higher on the pecking order then her. and the fight with her shouldn't be close, in terms of power she's and an ant and we're a brachiosaurus, it should have when we took it easier on her out of humanity until she stabs us, then unleash the beast with a light choice & dark choice on how bad we beat her. light side is we dodge a few hits like ultra instinct until she's tired, then a simple two finger "tap" to the forehead and out she goes. and the dark side - go kratos vs Hercules on her, followed by a kill her or save her choice.
There's no way the MC is "higher on the pecking order" than Diana. She's one of the admirals of that kingdom's navy. MC is basically still an unknown. He hasn't really done anything to warrant being a household name yet outside of exposing Taron and that was more due to his friends than himself. Also, she's far from an ant. Hell, the fact he knew he needed to hold back almost led to him losing the fight, to establish that Diana is no joke to the MC.

People that play this seem to assume that MC is just god tier already and he's not. He's got to train and grow into his powers and he went into combat with a seasoned veteran. The only thing that saved him was Onyx and his powers.
 

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That's...not true?
What other time did he struggle in a fight? The only other major fight I can remember were the pirates and he still beat them pretty easily.
no shhh let them sip the opium i wanna see what bull they come up with
Oh no the other poster is dead wrong and Im a fan of the game but soo far outside of the diana fight the game has been a pretty standard power fantasy with an op mc. Even Taron was only really a threat because he keeps going after the mcs love ones rather and I doubt he could beat the mc in a fight if it came to it.
 

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no shhh let them sip the opium i wanna see what bull they come up with
ok a royal babysitter is not higher in the pecking order by any means heck he even only got that position because his ass is super lucky and he's friends with the guild leader who was and is friends with the king so mc didn't have to show ANY skill to the king to get that position at all while the naval commander was training for decades probably since she was a child against people who could probably rival or kill mcs trainer and like the other person said is stronger then even a shadow jin or whatever they are called and they are some of the best fighters and assassins in the world only behind the kings people who are powerful enough to take down the mcs vampire lover if they fight head on probably and were powerful enough to scare the best pirates IN THE WORLD into shitting themselves to the point they were willing to hand over another pirate to them just to not get killed and even the pirates father shat himself whenever the kings men came that's how powerful they are that those pirates only exist because the king LETS them and the pirates literaly scare other kingdoms so mc is even more lucky to live in and have the favor of one of if not the most powerful kingdom in the world and his ass aint even strong enough to really hurt an orc with his fist while some of the kings men could take down an orc without powers and only fist and they are weaker then the naval captain who was literally going easy on mc since she didn't want to kill him since she knows the king would be angry and she might get demoted but not fired.
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while the naval commander was training for decades probably since she was a child against people who could probably rival or kill mcs trainer and like the other person said is stronger then even a shadow jin or whatever they are called and they are some of the best fighters and assassins in the world

his ass aint even strong enough to really hurt an orc with his fist while some of the kings men could take down an orc without powers and only fist and they are weaker then the naval captain who was literally going easy on mc since she didn't want to kill him
Did you miss the part where MC is a ? i.e. More powerful than an angel.
"not only do they possess the power of the Angelic parentage but a Human soul to enhance it, creating a supremely powerful being."
MC is more powerful than an angel. He really should not struggle against any human.
 
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Did you miss the part where MC is a ? i.e. More powerful than an angel.
"not only do they possess the power of the Angelic parentage but a Human soul to enhance it, creating a supremely powerful being."
MC is more powerful than an angel. He really should not struggle against any human.
Its nowhere stated that MC is more powerful than an angel in this universe? The nephilim seem to be this powerful in this universe because of their angel heritage.

As far as we are aware right now, his Angel daddy is the "highest" and most powerful god and angels are gods here. We do know that Balthazar was uber powerful but it was never stated that he became more powerful than angel daddy (blanking on the name).
 

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As far as we are aware right now, his Angel daddy is the "highest" and most powerful god and angels are gods here. We do know that Balthazar was uber powerful but it never stated that he became more powerful than angel daddy (blanking on the name).
Castiel I believe is Daddy
 
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The MC has the capacity to be powerful. It's like being born with the right connections. All that angelic heritage would have meant nothing if he died as a child. He has to train, gather powers, and refine his own in order to become what he's capable of being. Until then, he's just a naïve adventurer with advantages.
 
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So the last Nephilim went on a "worldwide rampage" & this one's Father is the most powerful god, yet you think he's gonna struggle against a human because "she's had training"? :LOL::ROFLMAO:
He's the son of the most powerful god, but she'd wipe the floor with him because she's trained from childhood in naval command?
Yeah. Makes perfect sense.

Learn to use punctuation, it will help with reading your illiterate posts.
She's not a normal human though. They mention she descended from the ancients.
The MC has untapped potential BUT is not there YET. Dude has only been trained by humans and descendants of the ancients. They wouldn't have known how to train him to his FULL potential. They just gave him the tools to hopefully reach that potential. The last Nephilim didn't go on his rampage from day one. He built up his powers and then tried to take over the world. The MC is in the build up power stages right now. Doesn't matter who daddy is, if he doesn't know how to use all his power, he's going to have struggles. Otherwise, he would have been able to handle those goblins(?) as a kid and wouldn't have had to go with Eliza's dad to train.
 

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So the last Nephilim went on a "worldwide rampage" & this one's Father is the most powerful god, yet you think he's gonna struggle against a human because "she's had training"? :LOL::ROFLMAO:
He's the son of the most powerful god, but she'd wipe the floor with him because she's trained from childhood in naval command?
Yeah. Makes perfect sense.

Learn to use punctuation, it will help with reading your illiterate posts.
Diana isn't a normal human, much like MC isn't either.

As for the power levels in the fight, how about a few quotes from the dev.
If it hasn't been obvious so far, compared to a regular human we may seem all-powerful, but that is far from the case, the whole point of being a Nephilim and being able to absorb souls etc, is that while we have an infinite growth potential, we are only in season 1 and have barely scratched the surface of our powerscaling, and the battle had a lot of nuance to it.

1: we were not fighting on equal footing, she was fighting to kill, we fought to subdue, hence why no lazer beam / mana manipulation.
2: we had already spent a great deal of energy using our superspeed for hours across the ocean.
3: Diana is not a regular human, she is like Rin, a descendant of the ancients.
4: with overconfidence we go into the fight not knowing what she is capable of and she surprises us multiple times during the fight.
5: Diana is only slightly stronger than us as of the current update but it's a close match-up hence it ended in a tie.
6: plot reasons and I personally like the result.
...all i can say is you are clearly overestimating our current powerlevel, and severely underestimate Diana's powerlevel.

You say we are far in the plot but we are only in season 1 out of 3 seasons. I have stated before we have a whole lot of growth and power-ups to go through, we may be a powerful being and have a vast potential but currently we are far from the most powerful in existence, there's lots of powerful creatures that would squash us like an insect currently.

Yes we have been trained, guess what? So has Diana, we have been trained on and off for years on the road, Diana has had access to the best combat and martial artist experts the nobles can afford. she has more combat experience than us by quite a bit.

I will admit if we have not been holding back and just fighting for survival from the get go, using everything at our disposal, then we could likely have defeated her.

But then again the side effect of her water-infused shockwave attacks took us by surprise and disabled onyx and onyx is a big part of our current power gains.

Also you say we run out of energy fast? Eh I'm pretty sure we just ran for hours and hours even saying in-game we are depleted somewhat when we arrive, using superspeed is not something to be taken lightly and takes a severe toll on the person the only reason we can sustain it is due to our already vast energy reserves.

I personally think the fight with Diana is great the way it is and portrays both her strengths and our weaknesses, if you have made up in your mind that we are all-powerful and cannot be defeated, that is your own expectation and certainly not the case.

It also highlights the youth of our mc, being only 20 years old and powerful beyond his peers, means he is prone to arrogance and overconfidence which when faced with a rare and powerful opponent makes for an unfortunate outcome.

I'm not sure if that answers your questions or not but I think I've covered the scene pretty extensively by now.
I'm glad you liked the fight scene and i can understand your sentiment, the fact is Diana and ourselves are actually fighting incredibly fast paced, this is of course incredibly hard to depict with still-images, but they are moving rapidly compared to the average human. and that is also a thing when fighting a strong opponent, you yourself will seem and feel weaker because now you're not the big bad in the fight. But as i said, we have a lot of room for growth and not just in terms of power-ups but also basic combat training, what we learned from Oren is far from the best available in the world, he was skilled sure and he taught us what "he" knew. But yeah, we do tend to rely on using abilities, i guess when you have such options they become your go to?

But it all comes down to Diana is simply more experienced and skilled in hand to hand combat than we are currently.
TL;DR: MC has only just begun to scratch the surface of his potential, was already a bit drained, and was caught off guard because he didn't take the fight seriously from the start due to overconfidence and a desire to subdue rather than kill. Diana is not a normal human but a powerful bloodline as well, is better trained, more experienced, well-rested, and wasn't holding back.
 
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Right, so in the dev's own words, he needs training to reach his full potential.
But are you suggesting that she doesn't?

If she's only been trained in commanding fleets of ships, I fail to see any rationale that supports her being able to easily beat him.
If she has somehow received training from the Ancients & has unlocked her power, then maybe so, in his current state.
"Diana has had access to the best combat and martial artist experts the nobles can afford. She has more combat experience than us by quite a bit."

What part of that implies her training was only in commanding a fleet of ships?
 
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On a related note, while we're talking about power hierarchies, here's another dev comment on that topic specifically.
The four universal pillars of creation (Life, Death, Order, Chaos) > The Seven Divines > Lords of the Abyss > Celestial gods == Devil’s of Hell > > Guardian spirits == Elemental Lords == The Ancients > Minor gods > High tier mortal beings.

Here's a make do list of the power hiarchy of the beings in Nephilim.
Per the dev, MC currently falls in the "high tier mortal beings" category, but will continue to grow, especially once we undergo ascension.
 
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Being trained by human martial artists doesn't give her powers. It makes her an effective fighter.
MC was also trained by a human, but has still started to learn to use his powers. Are you implying that he is able to have some self-taught knowledge but Diana is not?

On that note though, Rin and her group are often referred to as martial artists, but use magic constantly as part of that. So "martial arts" doesn't imply only mundane, physical training.
MC is trained by Eliza's Father. So he is also an effective fighter, although maybe not to her level.
Regarding Oren, per dev:
What we learned from Oren is far from the best available in the world, he was skilled sure and he taught us what "he" knew
Oren was skilled, but not at the same level of teaching as multiple of the best teachers available in the world.
Whereas he has gained some supernatural powers, one of which is the ability to absorb any that she might have.
So I'm still not seeing any way that she would easily defeat him.
Diana also has supernatural powers, and the ability to absorb powers is mainly useful for growth, which MC has only just begun, or permanently rendering someone crippled. And he's not going to do that when he's just trying to subdue her (as Buu explained in the quote I shared).

I'll share that relevant line again though:
1: we were not fighting on equal footing, she was fighting to kill, we fought to subdue, hence why no lazer beam / mana manipulation.
Mana manipulation is the name of the absorption power.
Is that saying that The Ancients are equal in power to Celestial gods? The "==" seems to suggest so.
If that's the case, then her potential will presumably be similar to MC's.
But MC's is untapped atm.
Has she been trained by The Ancients? If not, then her potential is also untapped.

So still not seeing anything, from the dev's words, that show her as being able to easily defeat MC.
I think you misunderstand a bit about the Ancients and those with their blood.
Each person born into one of the ancient's bloodlines, has a chance to be born with a strong affinity for that bloodline's element, but it's rare, think of it like 1 in a 1000 born to the bloodline will be born with the gene and the rest are just regular humans with no magic what so ever. Rin and Diana are both such cases. And there is one ancient per magic affinity, so fire, water, ice, arcane, wind, lightning, earth etc etc etc
So Diana is from an Ancient's bloodline, but is not one of the "official" Ancients herself. So while the Ancients themselves are roughly equal to Celestial gods, Diana herself would currently fall in the "high tier mortal being" level as well.

As for the rest, Rin is an example of someone that has learned to effectively use her Ancient bloodline, but definitely has not trained directly with any of the Ancients themselves. Aside from enhanced physical abilities, much of their power draws from their elemental and magical affinity, which can be trained by other magic users to varying degrees.

It's safe to assume that when she realized she had magical ability, she sought out the best teachers for it and they were provided to her by the nobles.
 
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