VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.3] [BuuPlays]

[Rehwyn]

Being trained by human martial artists doesn't give her powers. It makes her an effective fighter.

MC was also trained by a human, but has still started to learn to use his powers. Are you implying that he is able to have some self-taught knowledge but Diana is not?

On that note though, Rin and her group are often referred to as martial artists, but use magic constantly as part of that. So "martial arts" doesn't imply only mundane, physical training.

MC is trained by Eliza's Father. So he is also an effective fighter, although maybe not to her level.

Regarding Oren, per dev:

What we learned from Oren is far from the best available in the world, he was skilled sure and he taught us what "he" knew

Oren was skilled, but not at the same level of teaching as multiple of the best teachers available in the world.

Whereas he has gained some supernatural powers, one of which is the ability to absorb any that she might have.
So I'm still not seeing any way that she would easily defeat him.

Diana also has supernatural powers, and the ability to absorb powers is mainly useful for growth, which MC has only just begun, or permanently rendering someone crippled. And he's not going to do that when he's just trying to subdue her (as Buu explained in the quote I shared).

I'll share that relevant line again though:

1: we were not fighting on equal footing, she was fighting to kill, we fought to subdue, hence why no lazer beam / mana manipulation.

Mana manipulation is the name of the absorption power.

Is that saying that The Ancients are equal in power to Celestial gods? The "==" seems to suggest so.
If that's the case, then her potential will presumably be similar to MC's.
But MC's is untapped atm.
Has she been trained by The Ancients? If not, then her potential is also untapped.

So still not seeing anything, from the dev's words, that show her as being able to easily defeat MC.

I think you misunderstand a bit about the Ancients and those with their blood.

Each person born into one of the ancient's bloodlines, has a chance to be born with a strong affinity for that bloodline's element, but it's rare, think of it like 1 in a 1000 born to the bloodline will be born with the gene and the rest are just regular humans with no magic what so ever. Rin and Diana are both such cases. And there is one ancient per magic affinity, so fire, water, ice, arcane, wind, lightning, earth etc etc etc

So Diana is from an Ancient's bloodline, but is not one of the "official" Ancients herself. So while the Ancients themselves are roughly equal to Celestial gods, Diana herself would currently fall in the "high tier mortal being" level as well.

As for the rest, Rin is an example of someone that has learned to effectively use her Ancient bloodline, but definitely has not trained directly with any of the Ancients themselves. Aside from enhanced physical abilities, much of their power draws from their elemental and magical affinity, which can be trained by other magic users to varying degrees.

It's safe to assume that when she realized she had magical ability, she sought out the best teachers for it and they were provided to her by the nobles.

 

[whatone]

MC was also trained by a human, but has still started to learn to use his powers. Are you implying that he is able to have some self-taught knowledge but Diana is not?

No, not at all. I'm simply suggesting that if his is limited, hers would presumably be, too.
Which this part seems to suggest would not be the case, as it suggests hers is more innate.

I think you misunderstand a bit about the Ancients and those with their blood.

So Diana is from an Ancient's bloodline, but is not one of the "official" Ancients herself.

As for the rest, Rin is an example of someone that has learned to effectively use her Ancient bloodline, but definitely has not trained directly with any of the Ancients themselves. Aside from enhanced physical abilities, much of their power draws from their elemental and magical affinity, which can be trained by other magic users to varying degrees.

It's safe to assume that when she realized she had magical ability, she sought out the best teachers for it and they were provided to her by the nobles.

Right, so that does suggest that she would possibly be able to defeat him.
Thank you.

 

[Rehwyn]

No, not at all. I'm simply suggesting that if his is limited, hers would presumably be, too.
Which this part seems to suggest would not be the case, as it suggests hers is more innate.

A bit of a topic shift, but this does also bring up something else I had been thinking about recently.

Powerful mortals like Diana and Rin mostly have innate potential (such as from a bloodline) that they can enhance and train, much like an Olympic athlete or master martial artist has genetic potential that is made use of with training and experience. The power is innately "theirs" but they will eventually hit limits to their power they cannot surpass because the "limits" are hard, if not impossible, to shift.

However, it's been stated or implied several times that MC and gods/celestial entities are a bit different. They do have some innate powers themselves, such as MC being stronger, faster, more durable, and having a wind affinity. But a lot of their power potential appears to come from souls and from the worship/devotion of their followers. We've seen several times where celestials actually get weaker when they lose followers, for example.

MC has had big power boosts from absorbing powers and recently from artifacts, but we haven't directly seen anything like him growing due to worship. I suspect that part of this island arc is going to be related to that though. It's pretty obvious he's going to get some power boost and probably celestial knowledge from the goddess temples and whatnot, but it would not surprise me if at the end of this arc after he likely clears all the temples, restores magic to the island, and people learn he's Nephilim, some of the island inhabitants start to informally (or maybe even formally) worship and revere him, even if just in secret.

It wouldn't surprise me if a combination of absorbing a few more powers and starting to gain "followers" is what triggers the Ascension that's been mentioned as a future major power boost and potentially starts moving him from "high tier mortal" to "minor god".

 

[Pixillin']

... I mean, it all makes sense to me, MC's powers & why he was getting his ass beat and all of it - Buu is not a very strong writer. If he was he wouldn't need to borrow plots, almost in their entirety, from other games. As far as I'm concerned, if any of this made sense MC wouldn't have even gone to save the pirate girls in the first place, or if he did would have helped the kings navy. So things are the way they are because Buu said so and he's not a very good writer. Doesn't seem like something that requires a lot of argument.

 

[xapican]

If she's only been trained in naval command,

Not clearly said in the Novel, but she has access to Magic, the same way Rin taught MC Windmagic she (Diana) uses Watermagic.

 

[whatone]

A bit of a topic shift, but this does also bring up something else I had been thinking about recently.

Powerful mortals like Diana and Rin mostly have innate potential (such as from a bloodline) that they can enhance and train, much like an Olympic athlete or master martial artist has genetic potential that is made use of with training and experience. The power is innately "theirs" but they will eventually hit limits to their power they cannot surpass because the "limits" are hard, if not impossible, to shift.

However, it's been stated or implied several times that MC and gods/celestial entities are a bit different. They do have some innate powers themselves, such as MC being stronger, faster, more durable, and having a wind affinity. But a lot of their power potential appears to come from souls and from the worship/devotion of their followers. We've seen several times where celestials actually get weaker when they lose followers, for example.

MC has had big power boosts from absorbing powers and recently from artifacts, but we haven't directly seen anything like him growing due to worship. I suspect that part of this island arc is going to be related to that though. It's pretty obvious he's going to get some power boost and probably celestial knowledge from the goddess temples and whatnot, but it would not surprise me if at the end of this arc after he likely clears all the temples, restores magic to the island, and people learn he's Nephilim, some of the island inhabitants start to informally (or maybe even formally) worship and revere him, even if just in secret.

It wouldn't surprise me if a combination of absorbing a few more powers and starting to gain "followers" is what triggers the Ascension that's been mentioned as a future major power boost and potentially starts moving him from "high tier mortal" to "minor god".

That's a solid point. Makes sense that the island not only gives him new powers, but also gains him followers who hold him in reverance. Especially if he can unite the tribes.
Hadn't considered this boosting his power, though. Definitely makes sense if that's where this is leading.

 

[Rehwyn]

That's a solid point. Makes sense that the island not only gives him new powers, but also gains him followers who hold him in reverance. Especially if he can unite the tribes.
Hadn't considered this boosting his power, though. Definitely makes sense if that's where this is leading.

I can pretty much already picture a scene where MC hears a prayer in his head for the first time from one of his followers and is shocked about it.

Long-term (like end-game epilogue), I fully expect MC to become a literal god akin to Maia, who was essentially originally promised to be the god equivalent of his wife based on a few bits of dialogue.

 

[whatone]

I can pretty much already picture a scene where MC hears a prayer in his head for the first time from one of his first followers and is shocked about it.

Long-term (like end-game epilogue), I fully expect MC to become a literal god akin to Maia, who was essentially originally promised to be the god equivalent of his wife based on a few bits of dialogue.

Was it Gaia who we met in the most recent temple? Think it was.
She is one of those you mentioned, where her power is lower now, due to losing followers.
If MC can be seen by the islanders as having met & talked to her, it already sets him on a higher tier than them.
Reverance from them really doesn't seem like it would be far behind.

Your post has made me quite excited for where this goes!

 

[Rehwyn]

Was it Gaia who we met in the most recent temple? Think it was.
She is one of those you mentioned, where her power is lower now, due to losing followers.
If MC can be seen by the islanders as having met & talked to her, it already sets him on a higher tier than them.
Reverance from them really doesn't seem like it would be far behind.

Your post has made me quite excited for where this goes!

Yep, the conversation with Gaia was a big part of what had me thinking about it more recently.

 

[xapican]

but also gains him followers who hold him in reverance.

Yeah as the antithesis of "Pene del diablo" this is "Phalo angelical" gime Moar Amazon followers

 

[Rehwyn]

Yeah as the antithesis of "Pene del diablo" this is "Phalo angelical" gime Moar Amazon followers

Haha, I've joked before about the harem being the first members of MC's cult. I was honestly only half-joking.

 

[whatone]

Haha, I've joked before about the harem being the first members of MC's cult. I was honestly only half-joking.

Ha ha, yet now it appears prophetic!

 

[Hazardgaming]

Im genuinely curious about what other times did the mc struggle in a fight that I cant remember though.

The only time I can think of, is in the early game with the bandits where we meet Eliza. At least up until the MC decided that his face had been licked for long enough.

 

[Rehwyn]

Im genuinely curious about what other times did the mc struggle in a fight that I cant remember though.

The only time I can think of, is in the early game with the bandits where we meet Eliza. At least up until the MC decided that his face had been licked for long enough.

Wasn't the fight with the assassin at the lake kind of close too? It's been a while, so I can't remember specifics.

 

[xapican]

Wasn't the fight with the assassin at the lake kind of close too? It's been a while, so I can't remember specifics.

Yes, Buu is consitent in that, MC wins hardly and gets stronger, getting a new perk after.

 

[Rehwyn]

I can pretty much already picture a scene where MC hears a prayer in his head for the first time from one of his followers and is shocked about it.

Long-term (like end-game epilogue), I fully expect MC to become a literal god akin to Maia, who was essentially originally promised to be the god equivalent of his wife based on a few bits of dialogue.

On the topic of gods and harems, it's been confirmed that Maia, Gaia, and Malanthe are all potential future harem members. It would seem a bit unusual to me for not one but three goddesses to becomes MC's lovers if they didn't believe he could be at least an equal in the future. So that's another thing that makes me think that type of evolution is likely long-term.

 

[jadepaladin]

The bandits at the start got the drop on MC, taking advantage of his naivety. He only got out of it going berserk over Eliza.
The assassin at the lake was back and forth until the MC prevailed.
The skeletons in the cave overwhelmed him with numbers and it took Kira and the healing crystals to get him back in shape. (the crystals more than Kira)
After this, there's harem shenanigans so no fights for a long time. You see others show off while MC is in prison.
The Diana fight is a combination of a lot of factors but I ultimately agree that she was a good test for him. Someone stronger than Eliza needs to train him after all.
He hasn't really had a fight on the island yet. The priestess catching him by surprise is just plot writing and not really a fight. (doesn't he have enhanced senses?)

 

[Dessolos]

y'all the admins are supporting someone who tells people to go get shot and are calling people retarded. and are telling them to go get themselves shot and that their parents would be better off if they did.
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then report it don't need to spam the thread with this shit that shit is annoying to scroll past

 

[Rehwyn]

The bandits at the start got the drop on MC, taking advantage of his naivety. He only got out of it going berserk over Eliza.
The assassin at the lake was back and forth until the MC prevailed.
The skeletons in the cave overwhelmed him with numbers and it took Kira and the healing crystals to get him back in shape. (the crystals more than Kira)
After this, there's harem shenanigans so no fights for a long time. You see others show off while MC is in prison.
The Diana fight is a combination of a lot of factors but I ultimately agree that she was a good test for him. Someone stronger than Eliza needs to train him after all.
He hasn't really had a fight on the island yet. The priestess catching him by surprise is just plot writing and not really a fight. (doesn't he have enhanced senses?)

Buu is usually several months ahead with releases (he recently mentioned he's currently working on the September 2025 release).

Why is this relevant? Back in October he shared this preview in Discord with the caption, "Who's ready for a fight?"

Spoiler: Future release preview

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So looks like we might have a fight on the island to look forward to soon.

 

[storm1051787]

The only time I can think of, is in the early game with the bandits where we meet Eliza. At least up until the MC decided that his face had been licked for long enough.

Wasn't the fight with the assassin at the lake kind of close too? It's been a while, so I can't remember specifics.

Yes, Buu is consitent in that, MC wins hardly and gets stronger, getting a new perk after.

I wouldn't really say any of those fights are close. In all of them either the mc got jumped or was holding back. As far as the Diana fight went he should have died twice, but only survived because of his regen powers. And even then he only managed to tie and not win.

The other fights earlier were basically mc gets knocked around for a few times, decides to get serious and then easily defeats whoever he's fighting