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I know that joiplay doesn't run this, but I know there is another application that runs this Engine, do you know which one it is? I don't remember (Android)

 

[Ivriktwo]

I must be doing something wrong because when I translate it with translator++ it get stuck during prologue with heroine spawning at wrong place and freeze.

well to be fair i erased the translation of all the red marked squares from the first square until map 7. then i gave up but it worked nicely

 

[Sieglinnde]

Gotta ask - Is Our Red String worth playing for wholesome NTR purposes?


Game has very good review score and the Netorare tag, but both female and male protagonist.. so I have to cheat on myself and pretend to be shocked afterwards?

In my opinion, yes... But it doesn't have a lot of that content... And I think it's more of "cheating" than netorare. Since the beginning, it builds up the relationship between the two MC's and we can see the POV of the two of them as the time passes... At one moment we can choose to put them into a relationship... And then, as we control the woman, we can choose to do naughty things with the best friend of the MC (now our boyfriend) and also with other men in the game... Cheating on our BF this way. I am really not sure if the MC sees something of this or knows about it
Other thing that happens is that, when controlling the MC, there will be a woman that is interested in us, but if we take wrong decisions we will see how she fucks out best friend instead, I kind of felt that as NTR when I saw it and was hot, but I really prefer what happens between the MC and the FMC... That they become a couple and the FMC can cheat on him with some guys

 

[Seven Soft]

As you like reasoning, I think it makes sense to share with you this quote from

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(1908) by G.K. Chesterton.

We have grown to associate morality in a book with a kind of optimism and prettiness; according to us, a moral book is a book about moral people. But the old idea was almost exactly the opposite; a moral book was a book about immoral people. A moral book was full of pictures like Hogarth’s “Gin Lane” or “Stages of Cruelty,” or it recorded, like the popular broadsheet, “God’s dreadful judgment” against some blasphemer or murderer. There is a philosophical reason for this change. The homeless scepticism of our time has reached a subconscious feeling that morality is somehow merely a matter of human taste—an accident of psychology. And if goodness only exists in certain human minds, a man wishing to praise goodness will naturally exaggerate the amount of it that there is in human minds or the number of human minds in which it is supreme. Every confession that man is vicious is a confession that virtue is visionary. Every book which admits that evil is real is felt in some vague way to be admitting that good is unreal. The modern instinct is that if the heart of man is evil, there is nothing that remains good. But the older feeling was that if the heart of man was ever so evil, there was something that remained good—goodness remained good. An actual avenging virtue existed outside the human race; to that men rose, or from that men fell away. Therefore, of course, this law itself was as much demonstrated in the breach as in the observance. If Tom Jones violated morality, so much the worse for Tom Jones. Fielding did not feel, as a melancholy modern would have done, that every sin of Tom Jones was in some way breaking the spell, or we may even say destroying the fiction of morality. Men spoke of the sinner breaking the law; but it was rather the law that broke him. And what modern people call the foulness and freedom of Fielding is generally the severity and moral stringency of Fielding. He would not have thought that he was serving morality at all if he had written a book all about nice people. Fielding would have considered Mr. Ian Maclaren extremely immoral; and there is something to be said for that view. Telling the truth about the terrible struggle of the human soul is surely a very elementary part of the ethics of honesty. If the characters are not wicked, the book is.
This older and firmer conception of right as existing outside human weakness and without reference to human error can be felt in the very lightest and loosest of the works of old English literature. It is commonly unmeaning enough to call Shakspere a great moralist; but in this particular way Shakspere is a very typical moralist. Whenever he alludes to right and wrong it is always with this old implication. Right is right, even if nobody does it. Wrong is wrong, even if everybody is wrong about it.

I'm not sure if i understand every bit of the extract, so i cannot comment on many of its parts. All i can say is that my set of beliefs are in agreement to what the last sentences conveyed:

Right is right, even if nobody does it. Wrong is wrong, even if everybody is wrong about it.

But it may or may not be "agreeing" in a way that gratifies others' sensibilities. And i will leave it at that. I don't think this is an appropriate place to escalate beyond what i broached. I delivered a relevant snippet of my worldview only for the purpose of seeking recommendations, since it seems that my "niche" is not as straightforwardly communicable.

Appreciate the thoughtful gesture nonetheless.

Hopefully now that the train is back on track, i'd like to ask the connoisseurs here another question. But in a separate post.

 

[agrael72]

Hi, I was hoping someone could help me out. I'm sure it's not that obscure. I'dve made a new post but this thread seems to fit.

I played a game from here, NTR, and I just can't remember the name of it (my old PC is toast). And so I'm asking you if you know the name of it.

Pretty simple story, guy is in love with his wife, she's in love with him. The characters are Japanese (or at least Asian). He's struggling a bit financially and I think he takes a job tutoring a college student. The student is not a stud, he's a fat and shy guy. Hubby starts fantasizing about his wife with the guy. He shares the thoughts with his wife and, loving him, she's entirely willing to play along with it. In the last chapter made (at least that I saw), since the college guy had complained about needing to exercise so he could get girls, the wife suggested she go exercise with him, so she put on some spandex shorts and a tight crop top and spent the day encouraging him to exercise, occasionally sending pics of them both to her hubby to give him ideas.

 

[NiktoAzure]

Hi, I was hoping someone could help me out. I'm sure it's not that obscure. I'dve made a new post but this thread seems to fit.

I played a game from here, NTR, and I just can't remember the name of it (my old PC is toast). And so I'm asking you if you know the name of it.

Pretty simple story, guy is in love with his wife, she's in love with him. The characters are Japanese (or at least Asian). He's struggling a bit financially and I think he takes a job tutoring a college student. The student is not a stud, he's a fat and shy guy. Hubby starts fantasizing about his wife with the guy. He shares the thoughts with his wife and, loving him, she's entirely willing to play along with it. In the last chapter made (at least that I saw), since the college guy had complained about needing to exercise so he could get girls, the wife suggested she go exercise with him, so she put on some spandex shorts and a tight crop top and spent the day encouraging him to exercise, occasionally sending pics of them both to her hubby to give him ideas.

https://thef95zone.info/threads/my-netorase-obsession-v0-65-drusasnts.219172/ this?
From the description it looks more like this

 

[agrael72]

https://thef95zone.info/threads/my-netorase-obsession-v0-65-drusasnts.219172/ this?
From the description it looks more like this

Yes that's it, thank you so much.

 

[Seven Soft]

So i'm quite curious:

According to your views, why aren't we seeing more female Love Interest in Netorare works act and carry themselves just like the adulterous female MC in western-style VNs/games?

For example, why aren't we seeing a (for lack of better term) "sexually-carefree" girl like Anna from Anna's Exciting Affection become the cheating love interest in a Netorare game?

This is a purposively broad and vague question, as i'd like to know how users here distinguish between Netorare and Cheating. I myself suspect that, despite not being made crystal clear; Netorare (at least traditionally) is actually alluding to the portrayal of a specific form of cheating, in which a distinguished intruding male antagonist must be the primary and prominent corrupting agent (i.e. the entity that coaxes the Love Interest to go behind the Male MC's back).

Whereas in the real world, at least from how i understand it, this form of cheating does not make up all incidents of cheating. Sometimes the primary instigator (a kind of corruptive agent) is the Love Interest's female peers, or peer pressure more generally (like in hen parties). Some other time, the instigator is interal factors which drive the girl to seek out cheating herself (as opposed to being coaxed into it). And of course the most exciting one, the combinations of all of them. But rarely do i see this being explored, except for it just being a tiny and insignificant aspect of the storyline. And for the most part, the dime a dozen story is just an obsessed dude doing the absolute most to get inside the taken girl's pants...

*let's be clear that here we are strictly discussing within the confines of stories/artistic works from the perspective of a Male MC/Protagonist.

I've asked this before here, but engagement thereof was pretty low . So pardon me for doing a repeat.

EDIT: i want to point out that despite being old, i feel like NTRPG 2's story itself does not fall within the dime a dozen formulaic trope of Netorare. I feel like it's a great example to demonstrate the suggestion that Netorare genre somewhat is stagnating, and that the old NTR writers are (at least in my view) seemingly more innovative & pioneering that recent ones.

 

[dean_athallah]

So i'm quite curious:

According to your views, why aren't we seeing more female Love Interest in Netorare works act and carry themselves just like the adulterous female MC in western-style VNs/games?

For example, why aren't we seeing a (for lack of better term) "sexually-carefree" girl like Anna from Anna's Exciting Affection become the cheating love interest in a Netorare game?

This is a purposively broad and vague question, as i'd like to know how users here distinguish between Netorare and Cheating. I myself suspect that, despite not being made crystal clear; Netorare (at least traditionally) is actually alluding to the portrayal of a specific form of cheating, in which a distinguished intruding male antagonist must be the primary and prominent corrupting agent (i.e. the entity that coaxes the Love Interest to go behind the Male MC's back).

Whereas in the real world, at least from how i understand it, this form of cheating does not make up all incidents of cheating. Sometimes the primary instigator (a kind of corruptive agent) is the Love Interest's female peers, or peer pressure more generally (like in hen parties). Some other time, the instigator is interal factors which drive the girl to seek out cheating herself (as opposed to being coaxed into it). And of course the most exciting one, the combinations of all of them. But rarely do i see this being explored, except for it just being a tiny and insignificant aspect of the storyline. And for the most part, the dime a dozen story is just an obsessed dude doing the absolute most to get inside the taken girl's pants...

*let's be clear that here we are strictly discussing within the confines of stories/artistic works from the perspective of a Male MC/Protagonist.

I've asked this before here, but engagement thereof was pretty low . So pardon me for doing a repeat.

There's nothing hot about peer pressure, if your woman can be peer pressured, she's not frickin worth it lol. Which is a must in NTR, amplifying feeling of a loss.

 

[crnisl]

Whereas in the real world, at least from how i understand it, this form of cheating does not make up all incidents of cheating.

There's nothing hot about peer pressure, if your woman can be peer pressured, she's not frickin worth it lol. Which is a must in NTR, amplifying feeling of a loss.

The Rule of Contrast (Juxtaposition) in Fiction

By placing opposites side by side - light/dark, virtue/vice, hope/despair, love/betrayal - a story sharpens meaning and emotion. This clash highlights themes, deepens character complexity, and creates tension that mirrors how humans process conflict and change.

Reality lacks narrative intent; events unfold randomly, ambiguously. Fiction, however, curates contrast to distill life’s chaos into purposeful drama. Without it, stakes blur, characters feel flat, and themes dissolve into mundanity. Even as a cliche, juxtaposition works because it mimics our instinct to compare and assign meaning - turning raw experience into resonant story.

In cuckolding narratives, the male bully isn’t just a villain - he’s contrast weaponized. By externalizing corruption (bully’s aggression vs. heroine’s loyalty), the story forces a visceral us-vs-them tension. If she falls solo (boredom, environment pressure), the betrayal feels diffuse, self-inflicted - diluting the gut-punch of violation.

The bully sharpens the theft: he’s a hostile invader, not her natural failure. This amps stakes (lovers vs. predator), twists emotional stakes (helplessness, rage), and makes the loss unfair - not just sad, but unjust. Fiction needs a devil to burn brighter.

 

[Seven Soft]

The Rule of Contrast (Juxtaposition) in Fiction

By placing opposites side by side - light/dark, virtue/vice, hope/despair, love/betrayal - a story sharpens meaning and emotion. This clash highlights themes, deepens character complexity, and creates tension that mirrors how humans process conflict and change.

Reality lacks narrative intent; events unfold randomly, ambiguously. Fiction, however, curates contrast to distill life’s chaos into purposeful drama. Without it, stakes blur, characters feel flat, and themes dissolve into mundanity. Even as a cliche, juxtaposition works because it mimics our instinct to compare and assign meaning - turning raw experience into resonant story.

In cuckolding narratives, the male bully isn’t just a villain - he’s contrast weaponized. By externalizing corruption (bully’s aggression vs. heroine’s loyalty), the story forces a visceral us-vs-them tension. If she falls solo (boredom, environment pressure), the betrayal feels diffuse, self-inflicted - diluting the gut-punch of violation.

The bully sharpens the theft: he’s a hostile invader, not her natural failure. This amps stakes (lovers vs. predator), twists emotional stakes (helplessness, rage), and makes the loss unfair - not just sad, but unjust. Fiction needs a devil to burn brighter.

Here's the interesting part: i'm not saying that the story shouldn't have a "devil". I'm just saying that the devil should be less obvious, much like in real life. When i say "the girfriend changes on her own", it is only meant to refer to what is visible from the male MC's limited POV. Behind it are a complex array of factors which drive the Love Interest to cheat, which in aggregate makes up the "devil".

A good story is supposed to bring excitement by keeping the readers guessing. How am i to feel excited when i can foretell how the narrative unfolds? This is why in my post a while back, i suggested Netorare authors to somewhat "overload" the story with expansive worldbuilding and a plethora of corrupting agents, of which many may serve as red herrings. It brings more dimension to the story, as opposed to just seeing one singular dude doing fuck all to breed Romeo's Juliet...

EDIT: i joked about wanting the storyline of this site's most populare college life sim to veer towards Netorare. But i genuinely have a reason for why that may be viable; it is precisely because the worldbuilding is very well done, and that there are a lot of equally prominent male characters to discreetly conceal affair plotlines. Similar to The Edge Of (by HangoverCat), where he tried to hide the bull in plain sight.

 

[monsterartisan]

Why reference real life or reality at all with this kink?

 

[crnisl]

It brings more dimension to the story, as opposed to just seeing one singular dude doing fuck all to breed Romeo's Juliet...

Subtlety works in literary betrayal - but netorare’s high isn’t mystery, it’s helplessness.

Apocalypse stories ain’t about if the world ends - it’s how. You know the drill: chaos, survivors, last stands. Predictable? Hell yeah. But the hype’s in the crunch - the visceral ride, not the twist.

Netorare’s the same. The bully’s the asteroid. Fans don’t crave “Who 's guilty? ” They crave the inevitable violation, the how bad it’ll gut. Here, the bully’s the blunt force - no guesswork, just feel it. Apocalypse fans don’t rage-quit ’cause they knew the asteroid was coming. They’re here to burn.

 

[Seven Soft]

Subtlety works in literary betrayal - but netorare’s high isn’t mystery, it’s helplessness.

Aah, i see. Appreciate the astute response. I admit i have a feeling all along that i may have misunderstood the genre altogether.

In a post quite some time back, i wrote that i do not enjoy the sight of the heroine being forced into putting out. And i even don't enjoy the Male MC's helplessness. Although i do not "self-insert", the spectacle just evoke pity. Which is (for me) an emotion that disrupts entertainment. I even suggested that "why don't we have an "alpha" dude as the MC for once?", taking a nod on the fact that there's always a bigger fish in the sea. But i didn't realize that those suggestions are actually departing from the spirit of the genre altogether.

So that leave's me with another question: how popular is this "kink" of mine really then? And how can i scour for those similar works? Since apparently i'm not supposed to look for them here

EDIT: in case it isn't clear; i still find amusement in the spectacle of adultery. But not from the specific portrayal of traditional Netorare (where a good guy is helplessly violated by a bad guy). I want to see a smug guy paying his dues and having his turn of also being cucked (just one example).

 

[Sayasaya111]

So i'm quite curious:

According to your views, why aren't we seeing more female Love Interest in Netorare works act and carry themselves just like the adulterous female MC in western-style VNs/games?

Because they're not 'attractive' to NTR?
There's a reason why most NTR's targets have been 'pure' girls..

Reading your other responses, you seem to want more 'agency' on the woman's part and 'realism', which is a fair thing to ask for, except that most JP stories don't really do that. It's masturbation material, not literature.

Cheating and Cuckolding is not NTR, but can be NTR.

 

[Seven Soft]

Why reference real life or reality at all with this kink?

For me it's a good question actually. I feel like it's just because i happen to demand a higher standard of "believeability" for my own entertainment.

I think in one of my older post, i admit that i was able to better receive the story of NTR VNs/games set in a fantasy world altogether, as opposed to those which try to portray an urban life (which i perceive to be an attempt at realism).

 

[Seven Soft]

Reading your other responses, you seem to want more 'agency' on the woman's part and 'realism', which is a fair thing to ask for, except that most JP stories don't really do that. It's masturbation material, not literature

Yes, that's exactly it; agency on the Love Interest's part. Yes i do not enjoy seeing the woman just helplessly submit to the agency of the antagonist. Although i don't necessarily despise the premise of an agency-having antagonist; i would like it more if the woman herself, out of her own agency, starts to open up to the idea of an affair before the fucking starts (as opposed to the idea that just the good dicking itself is what changes her).

EDIT: and i believe there are a handful of works in the market which incorporates this. For example, Girlfriend Tapes by Bootyprofessor, which i believe was received quite well even among NTR fans.

Because they're not 'attractive' to NTR?
There's a reason why most NTR's targets have been 'pure' girls..

Yeah, i guess. Though i'm curious, why do you guys find that "unattractive" particularly?

 

[crnisl]

So that leave's me with another question: how popular is this "kink" of mine really then? And how can i scour for those similar works? Since apparently i'm not supposed to look for them here

So, let me clarify, you want fiction about a woman's infidelity or even breaking bad into a slut, with emphasis not on any villain, but rather the corruptive influence of the modern urban culture: peer pressure, priorities and values.

But an important notice, you want to read that not from female perspective, 'cause you don't want to empathize with the glorified slut, and you'd prefer some mystery.

Essentially, you'd want a "red pill" story about a woman wasting away and spoiling herself - displayed from the outside.

 

[Seven Soft]

So, let me clarify, you want fiction about women infidelity or even breaking bad into a slut, with emphasis not on any villain, but rather the corruptive influence of the modern urban culture: peer pressure, priorities and values.

But an important notice, you want to read that not from female perspective, 'cause you don't want to empathize with the glorified slut, and you'd prefer some mystery.

Essentially, you'd want a "red pill" story about a woman wasting away and spoiling herself.

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I guess yes, but fuck man that's a not-so-glamorous way of putting it...

It doesn't have to be portrayed as "wasting away and spoiling herself" (albeit that's exactly what she's doing ipso facto). I want the author to portray that she's just assimilating to the culture and "being just like other girls". Where she, her peers, and the people in general, consider (at least internally) that the cheatings are just minor slip-ups/accidents, which she tries to first hide, then guilt trips her boyfriend to brush off... again and again.

I think i'm wanting to see a writer capturing and poking fun at the ridiculous make-believe tale that you can still have a stable, monogamous relationship within said debauched culture.

 

[crnisl]

I want the author to portray that she's just assimilating to the culture and "being just like other girls"

Star Knightess Aura is most fitting this point, but again, Female Protagonist. The game goes in 3 parts, in a loop:

• you're playing FMC fantasy-isekai, more and more slutty - kinda during her sleep in the modern world
• you're playing as an evil spirit in her mind, slowly working with her priorities, values and so on
• kinetic shorts about what happens in her school, where she's slowly turning from a strict nerd to a promiscuous bimbo

The work with "assimilating" and mocking the corruptive tropes of the modern culture is the most thorough and well-made there, better than anywhere else. You might be interested to try it just for this point. But in other regards, I guess, that's not what you're asking for.