VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[ename144]

Where is that picture from? Did I totally miss something like that happening? Must have happened in the latest update as I haven't had a chance to finish it

It's from a cutaway to Abel and Kathleen chatting just before the first week's Exhibition (technically 6/05 on the in-game calendar). The two of them are discussing how Kathleen isn't going to tell August or Chuck about whatever her deal with Abel is. Kathleen mentions testing on a new version of the drug and promises to get Abel the data he needs, but it's not explicitly clear if the drug was involved in whatever happened to Sophia.

It was also very unclear that WAS Sophia on the table since we hadn't been introduced to her yet (much less learned her name) and other than her haircut there's not much in the scene that can positively ID her; it's not like she had small breasts or something distinctive like that! It wasn't until TD confirmed it in a post that most of us realized it was Sophia.

For that matter the whole idea of "Felicia only gets to join if she wins the competition" is quite a stretch, because who's to say she can't get invited and accepted afterwards like any other regular member to date. Chuck (or for that matter Hana, once she takes over managerial role) might do that just to see Kat's face when she hears such news.

Obviously they could choose to accept Felicia anyway, but why would they? Kat would bar her just for the pain it would cause, and she doesn't have the wealth and prestige that would usually be required (that comes from her husband, who a) is now a member himself, and b) isn't likely to support her further once he realizes what she's done). Meanwhile we know some of the members are quite misogynistic, and my guess is most of the rest couldn't care less about Felicia; they might find her interesting as a curiosity during the competition, but that is very different from finding her interesting (much less respecting her) as a peer.

Chuck seems to relate to her struggles, so I guess he *might* be willing to give her a shot, but I doubt he'd go to the mattresses for her and I suspect that's what it would take.

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"I had met her on the first day of Freshman year, and as someone who began to withdraw into his shell in high school, her unrepentant enthusiasm slowly captivated me."

In other news, I finally dug up the one shot we've previously seen of the mysterious Marlow, the MC's former flame that apparently ended poorly. It does seem to be her in the preview. So either the MC is spilling his guts to Rosalind on Thursday, or he's due for some serious introspection on Friday. Probably the former, I suppose, but it's hard to be certain.

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[Bill Temple]

IMO It probably is his "model" but I dont really think that in story "Vincenzo" (ie the famous singer in universe) was banging Edwins mom

Several things work against the idea namely he is known publicly and it wouldnt make sense for him to "risk" being caught/exposed in a random "non studio" porn just so he could share some lady with two other men? Not even mentioning the logistics of having talent on both Victoria (amateur) and Vincenzio (at least nationally famous singer)level......but technically Edwin only asked Victoria if she knew August he didnt specifically ask if she knew Vincenzio so I guess i cant claim it for sure was not him.


although you would think the amount of times he has seen the tape and how often he accidentally or otherwise sees Vincenzo naked that he would connect the fact that they have the same hair on their belly

(While Vincenzo is pounding some house girl into oblivion)
Edwin (thinking): Haha... Classic Vincenzo.
(Vincenzo looks over. Edwin gives him a thumbs up.)
Edwin: Get some, Vince!
(He gives Edwin a nod while never breaking his rhythm.)
Edwin (thinking): Hmmm... Now that I think about I feel like I've seen that belly hair pattern somewhere before.
(Edwin gets closer, stroking his chin and staring at Vinnie's belly with suspicion.)
Edwin (realizing): Wait a fucking minute! No... no, it couldn't be!
(Edwin circles around to study Vincenzo's ass hair for confirmation.)
Edwin: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[ffive]

Obviously they could choose to accept Felicia anyway, but why would they?

Depends on her sponsor. Hana might see it as one of ways to alter the status quo of the "old boys club" to a more egalitarian establishment, as a way to make it up to Felicia for what she's been put through, and as sticking it to Kat. Chuck might see it as free entertainment for his playground, and that it'd rile up Kat would be probably a bonus. The other two obviously don't have an incentive for that, but denying Felicia entry is also not exactly a hill they'd probably choose to die on.

 

[Simpgor]

While I agree with you that the chance the guy was Vincenzo is pretty small, it is still possible. We do not know how long Vincenzo is famous. The porn video is comparatively old. If Vincenzo became an opera star say six years ago, the video could have been done when he needed extra money, during the time he was still on the low steps of music business and nearly unknown.

The "issue" with the idea that Vincenzo is famous recently is that both the house girl he prefers (can't recall her name despite her being pretty cool) and Edwin both recognize him don't they? Do people (in the US) even get famous enough as a "tenor" for Edwin (who had been to a single concert iirc) to recognize him/his name? IMO it makes more sense for him to someone that was around where Edwin heard/saw him more than once. If he only came to fame when Edwin started to focus more on studies and being good (mentioned talking to the girls at the 2nd pre exhibition meal) then I guess Edwin has an appreciation for opera that hasn't been touched on

Edwin: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Edwin has been watching that video (literally just watching it) since he "was a teen" so at minimum for 3 damn years at the start of the game but since teen could be any time from when it was made to when he turns 20 its more likely closer to 5+ years of watching that video "regularly" (at least to the point where he has normalized the act of watching it).

I'm honestly surprised that he sees Vincenzo fucking the house girl in what is seemingly his preferred position (him on top sadly for his partner) and doesn't go "huh I saw this exact thing in that video I watched......"

Also you would expect kathleen to at least drop a hint that chuck/august/the club knows that Vincenzo fucked Edwin's mom, how much that mentally messed him up, yet still wanted him to work there and be (indirectly) subservient to Vincenzo she's talking about how her "plan" might cause her to lose everything but wouldn't play a card with no downsides for her to bring Edwin to her side? #notmykathleen

Obviously they could choose to accept Felicia anyway, but why would they? Kat would bar her just for the pain it would cause, and she doesn't have the wealth and prestige that would usually be required (that comes from her husband, who a) is now a member himself, and b) isn't likely to support her further once he realizes what she's done). Meanwhile we know some of the members are quite misogynistic, and my guess is most of the rest couldn't care less about Felicia; they might find her interesting as a curiosity during the competition, but that is very different from finding her interesting (much less respecting her) as a peer.

Chuck seems to relate to her struggles, so I guess he *might* be willing to give her a shot, but I doubt he'd go to the mattresses for her and I suspect that's what it would take.

i dont think Chuck would have to go to "bat" for someone in the same way kathleen would. If Chuck wants her there she's there just like how Chuck doesn't want boring solutions so august has to go under the table to keep things smooth. Unfortunately kathleen and or august wouldn't be able to keep felica out without Chuck noticing. That being said I meant more like "outside" the club...for example mihir thinks it's interesting that she wants to join how could kathleen stop him (or anybody) else from helping her literally any other time and place was my point.

More interestingly imo is what the hell is kathleens plan with Elias beyond it being hell week and trolling felica? Most of the people there were excited that his wife was there are they going to be all buddy buddy just because he's there? Samson/Police Chief isn't going to call him a cuck? Like I don't see what gains at all dudes already fuck you rich he can get house girls whenever he wants, Veronica sure as shit isn't his type, Rose wouldn't be a good trophy wife/fuck....... like seriously the "Elias is an actual cuck" is a valid angle

Edit: iirc multiple patrons call him "that prude Elias" also kahtleen is really fucking over Edwin unless he's about to do the whole 3rd exhibition in a mask

 

[plznoiamnotaweirdo]

Those are cool for sure but that's not far enough. For all the pain/negative emotions Rose/Vero are going through they are just playing checkers (just trying to solve the immediate problem) for Vero it's outright stated that the club will not and can not "fix" her gym, for Rose her immediate debt would be solved but what about college for her kid or any other financial stuff? At best she will still be at 0 (assuming her normal job can fully support her daughter until she goes to college).

But felica? Like I said she doesn't need to win even if she loses logically she can still make connections with other people there is no logical way for kathleen to ensure that doesnt happen, if you do the "finger felica during 2nd exhibition option" Chuck literally tells patrons to shut up so that "the moment isn't ruined"..... having Chuck on her side sure as shit sounds like some "power" outside her husband

The only "wrench" in the plan is inviting her husband to the sex club..... but even that can't be used to (legally) "remove" power from Felicia it can just make her husband more cunty towards her.



I'd argue it makes sense since that's the less vanilla part of the game especially once you make connections with the girls (that's kinda the point though since Edwin comments on it multiple times). Personally I enjoy them for the feeling of powerlessness Edwin has during them/other club scenes (and the implied catharsis when Edwin does finally get some "power"). No matter what you do one of the girls still ends up doing light "torture"/bdsm to one or both of the others girls. That feeling in my stomach during that scene is rare as fuck in this genre especially when it's logical and earned like it was here.



Posted while I was typing but exactly this. Felica already won (even more so if you finger her during week 2 exhibition). All Chuck has to say is "felcia is family now nothing allowed outside the competition any more" and "say you understand kat"

bro the best part about the game night is to find out how much of a degenerate and cool that Chuck character is. He imo right now is the most interesting out of all the characters in the game. Holy fuck he is mysterious, can be kind(or atleast acted like he is kind), moody af, powerful enough to hold his own vs a fucking mafia gang boss(august), intimidated everybody when he wants to. I just love whenever that guy is on screen. Holy fuck what an absolute chad of an Uncle. Pure alpha male and i don't think many games got his energy, or any for that matter

 

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In Pale Carnations, step into the shoes of a tightly wound pre-med student pulled head first into a world of debauchery thanks to the influence of a waning childhood friend. As the newest employee at the Carnation Club, navigate your part in a series of cruel erotic games and sexual encounters. Will you give into your sadistic urges and be enticed by the club's wealth and hedonism? Or perhaps at the end of it all, a flower of romance will bud, pushing you to leave the brothel’s sordid business behind.

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[Turret]

(While Vincenzo is pounding some house girl into oblivion)
Edwin (thinking): Haha... Classic Vincenzo.
(Vincenzo looks over. Edwin gives him a thumbs up.)
Edwin: Get some, Vince!
(He gives Edwin a nod while never breaking his rhythm.)
Edwin (thinking): Hmmm... Now that I think about I feel like I've seen that belly hair pattern somewhere before.
(Edwin gets closer, stroking his chin and staring at Vinnie's belly with suspicion.)
Edwin (realizing): Wait a fucking minute! No... no, it couldn't be!
(Edwin circles around to study Vincenzo's ass hair for confirmation.)
Edwin: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

You have to insert these few lines to make it right.
Vincenzo: (raising his head when he sees Edwin´s thinking stance) You never saw the power of singing, Edwin. I am your father!(moans by V and the housegirl)
Edwin: Nooooooooooo!

The "issue" with the idea that Vincenzo is famous recently is that both the house girl he prefers (can't recall her name despite her being pretty cool) and Edwin both recognize him don't they? Do people (in the US) even get famous enough as a "tenor" for Edwin (who had been to a single concert iirc) to recognize him/his name? IMO it makes more sense for him to someone that was around where Edwin heard/saw him more than once. If he only came to fame when Edwin started to focus more on studies and being good (mentioned talking to the girls at the 2nd pre exhibition meal) then I guess Edwin has an appreciation for opera that hasn't been touched on

As said before, I too think that Vincenzo being the porn actor in the old video is low probability. But I think you misremember the first time we/Edwin see Vincenzo in the Club. The housegirl remembers him well, but Edwin´s recognition of him is more dimmer and doubtful.

 

[Ass prefer]

It's a bit of a pity that Edwin's face is a stone in almost any situation. I understand that this is due to the fact that he is a doctor and his mother is a whore, but still
He takes everything for granted, I would say so.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

It's a bit of a pity that Edwin's face is a stone in almost any situation. I understand that this is due to the fact that he is a doctor and his mother is a whore, but still
He takes everything for granted, I would say so.

Edwin is almost like a sigma, so he doesn't care.

 

[Turret]

It's a bit of a pity that Edwin's face is a stone in almost any situation. I understand that this is due to the fact that he is a doctor and his mother is a whore, but still
He takes everything for granted, I would say so.

Edwin´s often stoicism and partial detachment is one of several reasons why I argue for him being the fitting puzzle piece to a certain amoral doctor.
As mentioned during several discussions IMHO the best love interests for our MC are Hana, Felicia and Sophia.

 

[pinuz1]

You know what the biggest joke in all of PC is? I think a majority of players enjoys the plot- and storylines outside the competition far more than the competition itself. I for one am rather lukewarm about the "Game Saturdays", the stuff around it is far more interesting!

This is the craziest part to me, the whole story revolves around the exhibitions and it's what keeps the cogs rolling, but the most enjoyable scenes are everything outside the exhibition day, at least for me, the more "wholesome" scenes such as the individual dates or game nights with our beloved cast of characters are what I enjoy the most. Even during the adult scenes in the exhibitions I don't have as much "fun", Hana being so involved now makes it really hard to act in certain ways knowing she'll judge you, im guessing it's going to get even worse with how much closer we are to her now, also the fact that our 3 Carnations suffer during them too, the Hug scene for Veronica was really well done and it made me realise how attatched I've gotten to the characters.

That being said I do enjoy the free roam aspect of the exhibition day, im glad we dont have many of those as they can get tedious but when it's only once a week they are nice and also one of the few times we can get close to enjoying the house girls.

(friendly reminder Andrea is best house girl)

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[Sleeping In Pieces]

Edwin´s often stoicism and partial detachment is one of several reasons why I argue for him being the fitting puzzle piece to a certain amoral doctor.

AFAICT Edwin is implied to be a high functioning sociopath. He gets emotions and empathy from an intellectual perspective, but as a child his mother had to work hard at teaching him things other kids learn naturally. Even now his emotional reactions tend to be on the dull side.

 

[Irik777]

Universal gallery unlocker.
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This does not work either. It gives a error code and crashes the game.

 

[bo77om]

Edwin´s often stoicism and partial detachment is one of several reasons why I argue for him being the fitting puzzle piece to a certain amoral doctor.

true dat

thanks man, someone finally said that

 

[Ottoeight]

Well, I thought we all agreed that every main character (and a lot of side ones) is a dysfunctional person, more or less, in their own way.

 

[ffive]

AFAICT Edwin is implied to be a high functioning sociopath. He gets emotions and empathy from an intellectual perspective, but as a child his mother had to work hard at teaching him things other kids learn naturally. Even now his emotional reactions tend to be on the dull side.

Not really. At least depending on background Edwin's issue in the past was excessive anger and the ways he'd give in to it, not lack of emotions. His mother taught him to control his emotions and to lie to people he despised about his feelings towards them (which i guess is the base for social chameleon or butterfly traits)

 

[Turret]

Not really. At least depending on background Edwin's issue in the past was excessive anger and the ways he'd give in to it, not lack of emotions. His mother taught him to control his emotions and to lie to people he despised about his feelings towards them (which i guess is the base for social chameleon or butterfly traits)

There is some variance here due to the background stuff we can choose for him. Edwin can be detached and/or being emotional. But his partial and sometimes detachment (which he shares with a certain doctor) is something he mentioned a couple times in inner monologue. It is debatable if he always had this trait or learned it due to his turbulent past, but it is there occasionally.

 

[Takkatakka]

Edwin´s often stoicism and partial detachment is one of several reasons why I argue for him being the fitting puzzle piece to a certain amoral doctor.
As mentioned during several discussions IMHO the best love interests for our MC are Hana, Felicia and Sophia.

It also depends on how you play him. Sure, his morals are questionable no matter how you play it, since...you know...he works for his personal benefit in a sex club that exploits women, but he can still try to make it as comfortable as possible for the carnations and he can try to help the women of the club wherever possible or he can just be a total ass. So I would claim that there is at least some "moral continuum" to Edwin depending on the player's choices.

 

[Turret]

It also depends on how you play him. Sure, his morals are questionable no matter how you play it, since...you know...he works for his personal benefit in a sex club that exploits women, but he can still try to make it as comfortable as possible for the carnations and he can try to help the women of the club wherever possible or he can just be a total ass. So I would claim that there is at least some "moral continuum" to Edwin depending on the player's choices.

I certainly agree with you here. We have quite a span how we play the MC, from really nice to total douche.
The three LIs (Hana, Felicia, Sophia) I find most fitting, as named in posts above are for a "goodish" Edwin, meaning low to medium (at max) "asshole score", trying to comfort the pressure the Carnations feel, helping the women there when he can.

 

[abirvg]

Guys, need 'elp.
Playing the game again after a long time from the start.
Is there a way for Mina to remain Killian's girlfriend AND for us to have every sex scene with her?
I think I saw this path in the walkthrough a long time ago - thought I'd try it out later - but can't seem to find it now.