Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[storm1051787]

"The official narrative" means the unique series of connected events in the story. Any alternate events, scenes, timelines, universes, or endings, can be "official" (considering WWG created them), and they can be "narrative" (insofar as they tell "a" story), but they are not part of "the official narrative" because that phrase has more meaning than each of its words does individually. There is already a term for what you're trying to say: "non-canon".

Official narrative means it's the story backed by the actual writer and put for as having actually happened in the story. Alternative timelines are all alterative valid canons if the author says they are. Non canon is not the same as alterntive canon. Alternative canon means different versions of a story, non canon means it didn't happen at all and isn't official even if it's made by the original author. It's basically professional fanfiction.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Official narrative means it's the story backed by the actual writer and put for as having actually happened in the story. Alternative timelines are all alterative valid canons if the author says they are. Non canon is not the same as alterntive canon. Alternative canon means different versions of a story, non canon means it didn't happen at all and isn't official even if it's made by the original author. It's basically professional fanfiction.

Let me see if I'm understanding you... if WWG makes an alternate scene that COULD happen, you'd call that "alternate" canon, but if he makes a scene that could NOT happen, you'd call that "non"-canon? But how do we know which is which unless WWG tells us? It's Schrodinger's canon!

Since we can have more than one canon, then can I have more than one best friend? And when they ask me which of them is really my best friend, can I defer them to you for an answer?

 

[elbo911]

Since we can have more than one canon, then can I have more than one best friend? And when they ask me which of them is really my best friend, can I defer them to you for an answer?

Sounds like a rather loose canon.

 

[dartred]

I'll chime in with my belief. I believe there can be more then 1 canon. Take for example my favorite japanese visual novel of all time, Clannad (not even an h game). The game has 6 endings, depending on which girl you prefer to focus. all of them are canon, but that game has 7th TRUE ending if you complete all 6 other endings first. All of the first 6 would be your life if you had focused on one girl that wasn't the true girl that the game wants you to follow.

So i think of the canon bad ends as the ending the dev would like to show us as the life of the antagonist if he had a canon ending. That's all. I don't think they should be treated as the True canon ending, since that one is reserved for Sterling.

 

[storm1051787]

Let me see if I'm understanding you... if WWG makes an alternate scene that COULD happen, you'd call that "alternate" canon, but if he makes a scene that could NOT happen, you'd call that "non"-canon? But how do we know which is which unless WWG tells us? It's Schrodinger's canon!

Since we can have more than one canon, then can I have more than one best friend? And when they ask me which of them is really my best friend, can I defer them to you for an answer?

No you don't understand. Alternative canon is not what "could happen" it's an official alternative version of the story where it did happen. It's like if you wrote two novels, both novels are canon unless you say otherwise. Video games do that all the time where there are two different versions with differences. Both versions are still canon. Non canon is when something didn't happened and couldn't happen. It's basically fanfic or a dream. And yes, you can have more than one best friend. If something officially has alternative timelines then all timelines are canon. If there is a "true canon" then only one timeline is canon and everything else is just a fantasy. Here the "true canon" is sterling and all the bad endings are just fantasies.

 

[elbo911]

And yes, you can have more than one best friend.

No, you can't (at the same time), it's a superlative.
You can have many fast friends, but in a race only one can come out the fastest.

Hm, unless it's a draw of course. Then you'd have to see who can draw fastest, but that would be final.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Then let's make this all canon?


Then it could become a civil war between PV fans

 

[storm1051787]

No, you can't (at the same time), it's a superlative.
You can have many fast friends, but in a race only one can come out the fastest.

Hm, unless it's a draw of course. Then you'd have to see who can draw fastest, but that would be final.

You can definitely have more than one best friend it just means they're equals rather than one being better than the other.

 

[Gwimmly]

The what ifs contradict each other as well. Hunter spent half the game trying to get Sterling to succeed him and even put growth hormones in his food to help him succeed. It makes no sense that he would just ignore sterling and even less sense that sterling doesn't figure out what's going on. You guys really love ntr and badly want one of the bad ending to be canon in some way.

That's the one thing i don't get. Why he pumped him full of growth hormone, but that doesn't signify contradiction because that's part of the canon as well. In canon he is still against Hunter and the other antagonists. But i do agree i'm still scratching my head at why Hunter did that although it has been speculated that Hunter maybe planned to switch to Sterling's body later on? Also maybe he thought the girls would of been turned off or something by the idea of how Sterling was growing so rapidly so they would suspect he was using steroids or something? I don't know but would be cool to find out the real reasoning behind it.

 

[elbo911]

You can definitely have more than one best friend it just means they're equals rather than one being better than the other.

Okay, let's say you really have two best friends then. Now if one of them said "NTR endings and What Ifs in PV are canon", would he be a lesser friend to you? Because if that doesn't matter in your close personal relationships, I don't get why you're so adamant about crusading against random perverts on the internet about that topic.
So, what's it gonna be, let other people have their own innocent opinions or get to have one friend (at most)?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

That's the one thing i don't get. Why he pumped him full of growth hormone, but that doesn't signify contradiction because that's part of the canon as well. In canon he is still against Hunter and the other antagonists. But i do agree i'm still scratching my head at why Hunter did that although it has been speculated that Hunter maybe planned to switch to Sterling's body later on? Also maybe he thought the girls would of been turned off or something by the idea of how Sterling was growing so rapidly so they would suspect he was using steroids or something? I don't know but would be cool to find out the real reasoning behind it.

I think Hunter had two reasons for giving Sterling HGH...

First, Hunter wanted a successor to carry on his legacy as a "dio del sesso" (sex god), but Sterling's small stature made it difficult for him to succeed in this role.

Second, if Sterling became a sexy stud that could seduce all the girls, then afterward they would be more open to having sex with Hunter as well.

 

[Gwimmly]

I think Hunter had two reasons for giving Sterling HGH...

First, Hunter wanted a successor to carry on his legacy as a "dio del sesso" (sex god), but Sterling's small stature made it difficult for him to succeed in this role.

Second, if Sterling became a sexy stud that could seduce all the girls, then afterward they would be more open to having sex with Hunter as well.

Ok that last point pretty much washes away all doubt lol thanks. Just like he used Drew. Makes sense!

Although after Sterling refused to work together with Hunter and hearing about how Hunter likes to win above all else, sharing kind of makes the NTR flat in my opinion but i get it if Hunter has to do what he has to in order to secure the throne then so be it.

Young Hunter has entered the arena

 

[storm1051787]

Okay, let's say you really have two best friends then. Now if one of them said "NTR endings and What Ifs in PV are canon", would he be a lesser friend to you? Because if that doesn't matter in your close personal relationships, I don't get why you're so adamant about crusading against random perverts on the internet about that topic.
So, what's it gonna be, let other people have their own innocent opinions or get to have one friend (at most)?

Gonna be honest here. I have no idea what your saying or what the two best friend debates has to do with anything. I was just saying something route based has multiple canons unless the author says only one route is canon. In the case of this game, none of the bad endings or what ifs are canon. They're not alternative times lines or anything, they're just straight up not canon and are the same as if a character dreamt the whole thing.

Frankly if you don't agree with me I don't really care. It doesn't mean I'm going to budge or change my stance on it. The arguments disagreeing with me just seem like delusions to me.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Ok that last point pretty much washes away all doubt lol thanks. Just like he used Drew. Makes sense!

Although after Sterling refused to work together with Hunter and hearing about how Hunter likes to win above all else, sharing kind of makes the NTR flat in my opinion but i get it if Hunter has to do what he has to in order to secure the throne then so be it.

Young Hunter has entered the arena

It was a little different with Drew. Hunter taught Drew how to seduce Nora and Keira, but that was for his legacy. I suspect Hunter could've seduced them on his own if he had wanted to, but Hunter was monogamous with Annabelle at that time. Hunter and Drew shared the other ladies after Annabelle died.

Of course Sterling was never going to go along with Hunter's plans and share the girls, but for a long time Hunter still believed he would. By the time Hunter accepted that they would never be allies, Sterling was already jacked.

I'm very curious to see what happens with young Hunter. I sort of hope for an alternate ending where Sterling finally teams up with him, but to your point, that wouldn't have much NTR flavor.

 

[Gwimmly]

It was a little different with Drew. Hunter taught Drew how to seduce Nora and Keira, but that was for his legacy. I suspect Hunter could've seduced them on his own if he had wanted to, but Hunter was monogamous with Annabelle at that time. Hunter and Drew shared the other ladies after Annabelle died.

Of course Sterling was never going to go along with Hunter's plans and share the girls, but for a long time Hunter still believed he would. By the time Hunter accepted that they would never be allies, Sterling was already jacked.

I'm very curious to see what happens with young Hunter. I sort of hope for an alternate ending where Sterling finally teams up with him, but to your point, that wouldn't have much NTR flavor.

Good point. Hunter never trained Sterling imagine all of the things he could have learned. Then again maybe all the practice he has had made him catch up with Hunter's skills.

Yeah i'd like to see a sharing end too for sure. Maybe even a split bad ending inside of the sharing scenario where on one side of the coin the girls have a great time being satisfied by both Hunter and Sterling equally and on the other side of the coin where at the end of the day Hunter is just more skilled at pleasing the women than Sterling and the girls notice this.

 

[elbo911]

Gonna be honest here. I have no idea what your saying or what the two best friend debates has to do with anything.

That's alright, I was just trying to use 'logic' as farfetched as possible.

I was just saying something route based has multiple canons unless the author says only one route is canon. In the case of this game, none of the bad endings or what ifs are canon. They're not alternative times lines or anything, they're just straight up not canon and are the same as if a character dreamt the whole thing.

I agree with you I think. The point is, not everybody does and that is totally okay as well.

Frankly if you don't agree with me I don't really care. It doesn't mean I'm going to budge or change my stance on it. The arguments disagreeing with me just seem like delusions to me.

You not caring anymore is all I ever hoped to accomplish. <3

So, maybe, this thread can finally return to peace and rainbows then. Update when?

 

[storm1051787]

That's alright, I was just trying to use 'logic' as farfetched as possible.

I agree with you I think. The point is, not everybody does and that is totally okay as well.

You not caring anymore is all I ever hoped to accomplish. <3

So, maybe, this thread can finally return to peace and rainbows then. Update when?

I mean I'm still going to argue if you guys keep insisting it's canon. I just mean I don't really care if you tell me I'm wrong and that I'm just going to keep my same argument

 

[NTR4Lyfe]

I mean I'm still going to argue if you guys keep insisting it's canon. I just mean I don't really care if you tell me I'm wrong and that I'm just going to keep my same argument

But the NTR route is canon. Just like the developer intended it to be. Just look back in the thread at the devs posts. Ophelia has her ass groped by Hunter in the beginning of the game and doesn't even bat an eye. She wants that shit. The girls love the attention from the old man and praise him. He has been all around the world and has seen so many things. He has the charm and skills. He knows how to make the girls happy. We cannot kid ourselves anymore bro it is what it is. Hunter is the only one who can make the girls experience true happiness.

 

[storm1051787]

But the NTR route is canon. Just like the developer intended it to be. Just look back in the thread at the devs posts. Ophelia has her ass groped by Hunter in the beginning of the game and doesn't even bat an eye. She wants that shit. The girls love the attention from the old man and praise him. He has been all around the world and has seen so many things. He has the charm and skills. He knows how to make the girls happy. We cannot kid ourselves anymore bro it is what it is. Hunter is the only one who can make the girls experience true happiness.

Dev said it's not canon so it's not

 

[MAGO-DAG]

But the NTR route is canon. Just like the developer intended it to be. Just look back in the thread at the devs posts. Ophelia has her ass groped by Hunter in the beginning of the game and doesn't even bat an eye. She wants that shit. The girls love the attention from the old man and praise him. He has been all around the world and has seen so many things. He has the charm and skills. He knows how to make the girls happy. We cannot kid ourselves anymore bro it is what it is. Hunter is the only one who can make the girls experience true happiness.