Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[MAGO-DAG]

That's my whole point. That they're not canon and that the what if and bad endings just go on porn logic for the sake of having a scene. They're not valid interpretations of anyone in the games character or personality and some of the bad endings contradict the actual canon, because they need the scene to happen. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it or that I personally have a problem with it. I'm just saying that they're not canon or valid just because you like NTR or want Kevin to get a win. The main reason why this conversation started was because they kept insisting Kevin's ntr ending was an alternative canon.

I was never trying to argue that the bad endings or canon or trying to make it fit better with canon. I was jut listing reasons why they aren't alternative canons. It's just characters acting out of character so we can get a scene.

Hey, it's okay. I have nothing against you. As I said before, the way characters behave differently in non-canon is because there is no need to look for logic here... in every ntr game there is a similar case when in ntr scenes the characters behave inconsistently and contradictorily to the usual case, this is what betrayal and ntr are...
Kevin's ending for some had an alternative canon, because some consider it a normal end to a relationship that got rid of incest and other corruption...

Ophelia found a new lover and the ending is a fairy tale... purely theoretically it could be considered that if not for all these Hunter/bad things and other bullshit and the widow Ophelia would have met someone and started a new life and here is Kevin who succeeded in this moment and fulfilled his dream...

personally, I did not get anything outstanding from this ending except for the fast and how illogical Ophelia gave up because of a big dick... but as you can see? That's what ntr is, for some it's canon and for others it's just a bad ending... this is what makes you enjoy the game sometimes, seeing the difference between canon and non-canon, and makes you think about all this absurdity and laugh and get tense because of the story

 

[Jakers15@]

What do you think about a short spin-off about Hunter? It could be a short game. 1 or 2 chapters. Maybe he lost his virginity to his mother. That could be the reason for his insatiable incestuous desire. Maybe he took Ophelia's own virginity. I'm on chapter 5. Don't get mad.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

What do you think about a short spin-off about Hunter? It could be a short game. 1 or 2 chapters. Maybe he lost his virginity to his mother. That could be the reason for his insatiable incestuous desire. Maybe he took Ophelia's own virginity. I'm on chapter 5. Don't get mad.

I would be interested in seeing how he started out and conquered his female relatives. It could be titled "Hunter Begins"? "Hunter Origins"? "Hunter Year One"?

But I'm pretty sure Ophelia lost her virginity to David (Sterling/MC's father).

You better catch up before chapter 13 releases!

 

[storm1051787]

Hey, it's okay. I have nothing against you. As I said before, the way characters behave differently in non-canon is because there is no need to look for logic here... in every ntr game there is a similar case when in ntr scenes the characters behave inconsistently and contradictorily to the usual case, this is what betrayal and ntr are...
Kevin's ending for some had an alternative canon, because some consider it a normal end to a relationship that got rid of incest and other corruption...

Ophelia found a new lover and the ending is a fairy tale... purely theoretically it could be considered that if not for all these Hunter/bad things and other bullshit and the widow Ophelia would have met someone and started a new life and here is Kevin who succeeded in this moment and fulfilled his dream...

personally, I did not get anything outstanding from this ending except for the fast and how illogical Ophelia gave up because of a big dick... but as you can see? That's what ntr is, for some it's canon and for others it's just a bad ending... this is what makes you enjoy the game sometimes, seeing the difference between canon and non-canon, and makes you think about all this absurdity and laugh and get tense because of the story

But it's not alterntive canon though, that's my whole point. We've already been told that. It's just porn for the sake of having ntr porn. There is no point an insisting they're valid alternative because they're not. It doesn't mean you can't like it, but something isn't canon just because you insist it is. To be fair that's not just my arument for this game but for everything in general. There is no such thing as it being canon for some people but not others. Either something has no set canon or it established that there are multiple branching canons. This game doesn't do that.

 

[Jakers15@]

I would be interested in seeing how he started out and conquered his female relatives. It could be titled "Hunter Begins"? "Hunter Origins"? "Hunter Year One"?

But I'm pretty sure Ophelia lost her virginity to David (Sterling/MC's father).

You better catch up before chapter 13 releases!
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I'm going crazy with this game. Ophelia and Sterling's relationship is amazing. But at the moment of the story, they do their things in secret. No one knows anything. But from the gif pinned in your comments it looks like Sterling will soon have sex with all the family members without any problems.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

But it's not alterntive canon though, that's my whole point. We've already been told that. It's just porn for the sake of having ntr porn. There is no point an insisting they're valid alternative because they're not. It doesn't mean you can't like it, but something isn't canon just because you insist it is.

You will be happy to know that "alternative canon" is an oxymoron and therefore is not a thing.

On the other hand, some people have the opinion that the characters don't act "out of character" during the alternate endings. Can we agree to let people have those opinions?

 

[storm1051787]

On the other hand, some people have the opinion that the characters don't act "out of character

And those people are wrong.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

I'm going crazy with this game. Ophelia and Sterling's relationship is amazing. But at the moment of the story, they do their things in secret. No one knows anything. But from the gif pinned in your comments it looks like Sterling will soon have sex with all the family members without any problems.

Oh yeah, um, "spoiler warning" I guess!

 

[MAGO-DAG]

But it's not alterntive canon though, that's my whole point. We've already been told that. It's just porn for the sake of having ntr porn. There is no point an insisting they're valid alternative because they're not. It doesn't mean you can't like it, but something isn't canon just because you insist it is. To be fair that's not just my arument for this game but for everything in general. There is no such thing as it being canon for some people but not others. Either something has no set canon or it established that there are multiple branching canons. This game doesn't do that.

For me, "alternate canon" has nothing to do with real canon. I always associate them with "if there was an alternate version of Spider-Man where Harry Osborn survived and Spider-Man and the New Goblin teamed up"... that's the saying for alternate canons.

This is what the alternative sounds like for Kevin who is happy with Ophelia, this is a violation of the balance between the canon of the alternative canon which partially contradicts the original and rewrites another story for the universe part

 

[storm1051787]

For me, "alternate canon" has nothing to do with real canon. I always associate them with "if there was an alternate version of Spider-Man where Harry Osborn survived and Spider-Man and the New Goblin teamed up"... that's the saying for alternate canons.

That's not alternative canon to me. Alternative canon is when there is an alternative universe or alternative version of the story where events happen a certain way and each version is given equal value. Spider-man and comics in general are a good example because of spider-verse and all this stuff happening in an alternative universe. That's still connected to the main one in some way.

Or a lot of route based VN where each route is valid. If a route based vn as a true route then that's what actually happened and everything else is basically akin to dreams and isn't really valid. That's like here the canon is the only thing that's valid and everything else is basically just fantasies, not alternative timelines.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Alternative canon means branching timelines. There is no oxymoron.

I get what you're trying to say, but you need to find another way to say it. There is literally no purpose for the phrase "alternative canon", it is self contradictory. Branching timelines are definitionally non-canon, because they conflict with the story's official narrative (i.e. "canon").

 

[elbo911]

I would be interested in seeing how he started out and conquered his female relatives. It could be titled "Hunter Begins"? "Hunter Origins"? "Hunter Year One"?

There's already a manga about that called Hunter x Hunter.
Hunting For Beginners
Hunter - Penis Rising
Hunter - A New Grope
Hunter The Cunter
Hunter and The Sorcerer's Bone

...sorry, I'll stop now.

 

[storm1051787]

I get what you're trying to say, but you need to find another way to say it. There is literally no purpose for the phrase "alternative canon", it is self contradictory. Branching timelines are definitionally non-canon, because they conflict with the story's official narrative (i.e. "canon").

If something is an alternative time line then they're part of the stories official narrative because that branch is part of the official narrative. So they're alternative canon because their all valid canons. Like Spiderverse, everything that happens in the alternative universe is still canon to the main universe, it just doesn't directly effect the main universe.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

If something is an alternative time line then they're part of the stories official narrative because that branch is part of the official narrative. So they're alternative canon because their all valid canons. Like Spiderverse, everything that happens in the alternative universe is still canon to the main universe, it just doesn't directly effect the main universe.

The thing about "canon" in storytelling is that there is only one. Not one for every timeline or universe. If everything was canon, we wouldn't need the word "canon", because nothing would be "non-canon".

Something like Spider-Verse is a special case, because characters are able to travel between different universes and affect those universes, so we're dealing with a multiverse-level of "canon". If we want to apply a multiverse model to Power Vacuum, then first you're going to have to admit that the characters act consistently in the branching timelines.

 

[storm1051787]

The thing about "canon" in storytelling is that there is only one. Not one for every timeline or universe. If everything was canon, we wouldn't need the word "canon", because nothing would be "non-canon".

Something like Spider-Verse is a special case, because characters are able to travel between different universes and affect those universes, so we're dealing with a multiverse-level of "canon". If we want to apply a multiverse model to Power Vacuum, then first you're going to have to admit that the characters act consistently in the branching timelines.

Canon just means something is part of the official narrative. It doesn't mean there is only one canon. If something has multiple canons it because those are both official alternative versions of events within that narrative.. In the case where something branches like in a route based vn, those branching paths are part of the official narrative and they're all connected and valid unless the author says otherwise.

If those other timelines/branches are not valid alternatives than they're not canon and aren't something that officially would have happened.

And no, they don't act consistently in the bad endings and it's still a silly argument to try to argue that they do. Regardless of whatever definition of canon you go with the fact remains the original argument was that those bad endings are canon alternative universes.

 

[pinkie96]

 

[storm1051787]

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It's still a joke no matter how many times you try to insist it's not

 

[elbo911]

It's still a joke no matter how many times you try to insist it's not

Fayn, pinkie and storm walk into a bar...

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Canon just means something is part of the official narrative. It doesn't mean there is only one canon. If something has multiple canons it because those are both official alternative versions of events within that narrative.. In the case where something branches like in a route based vn, those branching paths are part of the official narrative and they're all connected and valid unless the author says otherwise.

If those other timelines/branches are not valid alternatives than they're not canon and aren't something that officially would have happened.

And no, they don't act consistently in the bad endings and it's still a silly argument to try to argue that they do. Regardless of whatever definition of canon you go with the fact remains the original argument was that those bad endings are canon alternative universes.

"The official narrative" means the unique series of connected events in the story. Any alternate events, scenes, timelines, universes, or endings, can be "official" (considering WWG created them), and they can be "narrative" (insofar as they tell "a" story), but they are not part of "the official narrative" because that phrase has more meaning than each of its words does individually. There is already a term for what you're trying to say: "non-canon".

 

[Fayn Arawn]

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