Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[storm1051787]

That's the whole issue though. Consistent updates means that type of bitching is easily thrown out as off topic, but in this case, assuming WWG gets this update out when he says he will, it will be two months away from our abandoned tag. I don't see how that type of discussion is off topic at all here.



I enjoy the discussion, it helps understanding on both sides typically. That clearly isnt the case here.

I fail to see how the update time suddenly makes something off topic then on topic now. If it was off topic when the update came out it's still off topic now.

 

[Snugglepuff]

That's the whole issue though.

No no, don't try to recontextualise what I wrote. That's incredibly disingenuous.
He's even said the same thing, and you're here in this thread as it's happening too.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Wouldnt people new to the thread be repeating the same stuff as earlier in the thread? Isnt that what you have an issue with?

I think you've encountered this before... you know how it always happens, the same arguments everywhere when there's a delay... and everywhere the same arguments about *abandoned* and *on-hold*... smart guys pop up everywhere to defend their own lol

 

[preglovr12]

I fail to see how the update time suddenly makes something off topic then on topic now. If it was off topic when the update came out it's still off topic now.

You genuinely dont see how the exact same post can easily be dismissed as a poor attempt at trolling days after an update but a year and a half after one is a genuine topic of conversation?

No no, don't try to recontextualise what I wrote. That's incredibly disingenuous.
He's even said the same thing, and you're here in this thread as it's happening too.

If you think that's a misinterpretation then I failed to read what you meant in your message. Please reword it so I can understand.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

I didn't say he was milking nor do i think he is.

He lied to his supporters and everyone looking forward to this update for 13 months.

if his staunchest supporters didn't defend every single criticism of WWG small or large maybe the thread wouldn't have so many repeat conversations maybe just allow people to say their piece and they will leave, the fact that this stunt he pulled last minute has so many defenders is just sad.

If you think WWG isn't milking, then what should people be upset about?

If WWG's "staunchest supporters didn't defend every single criticism", would they be his staunchest supporters?

What is your central thesis anyway? You just come across as deeply resentful for some reason that's unclear.

 

[storm1051787]

You genuinely dont see how the exact same post can easily be dismissed as a poor attempt at trolling days after an update but a year and a half after one is a genuine topic of conversation?

That's not what trolling means and that's not what most of those comments getting removed are. Most of them are people bitching because they dislike that the update takes longer than a couple months in the first place. It has nothing to do with them being a troll, it's just annoying people.

Same with the flaming, it's not people trolling it's entitled people who simply just don't care. I don't see why people complaining about the development cycle being to long after a month is any different than people complaining about it now. It would be different if the removed comments were saying the game "never" updates and should get the abandonment tag after a month. But that's not what the people complaining about the game being a scam are doing

You sure are doing a lot of running around to argue with the moderator just to make sure no one says anything negative about your precious WWG. Almost like you know it's all true and desperately don't want anyone to mention it. The moderator said speaking on the delay is fine, he's the moderator not you, move on. If you don't want to talk about the delay, ignore it and don't talk about it. You don't control the conversation here.

Like I said you can say whatever negative bullshit about the game you want. I don't care about it. I find this conversation annoying and I find the fact that every thread of this site ends up the same way after a few months annoying.

 

[Snugglepuff]

If you think that's a misinterpretation then I failed to read what you meant in your message. Please reword it so I can understand.

I don't think you're misinterpreting anything. You know precisely what I was saying, what storm1051787 was saying, and what MAGO-DAG was saying.

 

[preglovr12]

I don't think you're misinterpreting anything. You know precisely what I was saying, what storm1051787 was saying, and what MAGO-DAG was saying.

You two know you can block people right? Seems that's the fundamental issue at hand here.

 

[Only1P]

Imagine arguing with a mod when things dont go your way.

Flaming and trolling should get timed out and penalized.

But people can express their thoughts about the delay, that it feels weird, that it came out of nowhere, that it felt like a prank, that itll be 16 months at least by the time the chapter comes out while the previous one took 10, that the dev missed the mark by an unusual long shot.

These are all pretty valid to me I dont see why people should be silenced for that.

 

[preglovr12]

Again, no personal attacks and no more passive aggressive shit from now on.

 

[storm1051787]

Imagine arguing with a mod when things dont go your way.

Flaming and trolling should get timed out and penalized.

But people can express their thoughts about the delay, that it feels weird, that it came out of nowhere, that it felt like a prank, that itll be 16 months at least by the time the chapter comes out while the previous one took 10, that the dev missed the mark by an unusual long shot.

These are all pretty valid to me I dont see why people should be silenced for that.

Because there is a rule about it.

Because it devolves into peopleinsulting each other for not agreeing

Because it devolves to less about critisim for the dev and more outright insults for the dev and any supporters.


Because this is a repeated phenomena that happens on multiple game threads. And if you guys truely think your complaint and "critisim" are valid. Then I don't see why you should have a problem with anything i'm saying. You're venting and so am I.

 

[SuddenReal]

I enjoy the discussion, it helps understanding on both sides typically. That clearly isnt the case here.

Well no, because one of the sides can only be explained clearly by WWG and he's not giving his side. Then again, why should he? It's his personal life, so it's none of our business. So, we only get one side and a lot of speculation, which is not productive at all, which is why the rule was probably made in the first place.

So yeah, there's no discussion, just a lot of (unfounded) blame thrown around.

 

[preglovr12]

Well no, because one of the sides can only be explained clearly by WWG and he's not giving his side. Then again, why should he? It's his personal life, so it's none of our business. So, we only get one side and a lot of speculation, which is not productive at all, which is why the rule was probably made in the first place.

So yeah, there's no discussion, just a lot of (unfounded) blame thrown around.

The two sides I was referring to in that post have nothing to do with WWG, but taken completely out of context I understand what you mean.

 

[DD69-1]

So the people here are mad about how WWG's supporters aren't mad at him ?

 

[Satou Pendragon]

So the people here are mad about how WWG's supporters aren't mad at him ?

Yes.

 

[JabyShrek988]

So the people here are mad about how WWG's supporters aren't mad at him ?

WWG is one of the few developers who is so close to completing the game. His followers' support is not based on personal acquaintance with him. He earned it by staying focused on the game and keeping them informed at all times.
People's disappointment is natural, too. It's similar to sports: there are great players and mediocre ones. ordinary performance by ordinary players is tolerated, but even a good play by a great player is sometimes scrutinised.

 

[jim8596]

So.... Abandoned?

 

[Roon]

If he posts an image of Ophelia with a cock or someone getting fucked by a dog once or twice a year all his supporters will forgive him and award 10/10 goty awards. Anyone pointing out this may be a little absurd is a hater/troll.

Meanwhile that sweet sweet £4k a month rolls in and he can sit peacefully by his indoor pool.

"Shall I write bad dialogue for Catherine today? No. No, I think I will suntan instead." he thinks.

I mean tbf it's a good gig, better than working at Subway or whatever else he'd be doing.

 

[SoulSwipre]

I'm not one who gives dev any kind of shit, regardless of the situation, much less WWG who's delivered a spectacular game that's on it's last chapter. They wanna spend time making it perfect, or like mentioned, really have some personal issues to work out. The game will come out, because it eventually always does.

But I do think it's not right to basically come out the day before his own deadline to say: "Damn guys, I thought it'll be done tomorrow, but seems like it'll take a few more months. Sorry bout that."

 

[Fayn Arawn]

If he posts an image of Ophelia with a cock or someone getting fucked by a dog once or twice a year all his supporters will forgive him and award 10/10 goty awards. Anyone pointing out this may be a little absurd is a hater/troll.

Meanwhile that sweet sweet £4k a month rolls in and he can sit peacefully by his indoor pool.

"Shall I write bad dialogue for Catherine today? No. No, I think I will suntan instead." he thinks.

I mean tbf it's a good gig, better than working at Subway or whatever else he'd be doing.

... you think someone making 4k a month could afford an indoor pool?