PhoenixRage23

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I was curious if there's a big difference in content for the patreon and non patreon versions. For some reason I've never played this game partly due to the multiple endings tag. I usually avoid those types of games even if they are a really good game.
 

EvolutionKills

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I was curious if there's a big difference in content for the patreon and non patreon versions. For some reason I've never played this game partly due to the multiple endings tag. I usually avoid those types of games even if they are a really good game.
Considering this game hits every one of your signature's 'hated tags' except for being censored, you might want to keep skipping this one.
 

FlamingLizard

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So is there a way to get an 'ultimate version'. I'd love to play this looks right up my alley but bummed that some scenes were pulled because of Patreon rules. Are those scenes available in a patch? Does the Subscribestar version have the material pulled from the Patreon build? Or maybe I can play the version prior to the Patreon changes (which were just a few months ago if I'm not mistaken) and then grab the latest build and continue. Not too concerned about a gallery and whatnot would just like to play the most complete version scene and story wise and wondering what's the best way to do that.
 
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Gicoo

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Okay. So your position is that you cannot enjoy a Harry Potter book or any other YA novel because it's not War & Peace?
Harry Potter is very flawed and all, but it was completed in a reasonable timeframe. One year for the first four books, then 3 years for the largest one and two years for the final ones.

Book 1 97
Book 2 98
Book 3 99
Book 4 00
Book 5 03 (Pregnancy and Warner Bros)
Book 6 05
Book 7 07

Imagine Rowling pulling a Martin and simply not finishing SoIaF. We'd be a book 5 and waiting decades for book 6 and 7, which aren't worked on anymore and at best will be adopted by other writers once Martin dies.

Obviously you can't equalize books written by a single author with videogames done by a few people, but its very clear that SoC development is flawed. 9 Years and we are still finishing up part 1 of 3, with no indication what could happen in the next parts.
 

nejfan

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Played this long ago, but shelved it after realizing the game was different from my expectations. Any hints on if it will be completed anytime soon? Not really interested in the flavor of NTR that dominates this game, so I'm just curious how the couple gets back at the siblings in the end.
It's most likely gonna be doomed to end rushed when the dev realizes they've worked on this game for over a quarter of their real world life on top of having made enough money to not feel forced to finish it.

The devs clearly aren't interested in the things you and me are interested in by how the game is looking now. 9 years into development and I doubt anyone still playing this game gives a fuck about any of the content we'd be into.

The biggest crimes the devs are guilty of is including names like The witcher, Dark souls and Berserk as their inspirations. As of 2025 it's still just a grimdark NTR slave game with no indication of a satisfying playthrough for us that aren't into the slave sub cuck experience.
 

Usex809

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You'll have to wait for the 3rd game for that, this game is only Act 1 after all.
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And that is a sad part honestly, this game had chance for proper Rowan's corruption but both demon siblings are lost cause in some way or another which allowed Rowan to fight back. That's a good thing too in its own right but Rowan himself will counter in later arc which will become a different game altogether.

Personally, feminization of Rowan would have been great for me, but if that is not on the cards because of weak siblings then I would prefer total dom path for him but that too will take another decade before coming into light because Andras NTR took way too much space that it should have.
 

JoeSte91

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Okay. So your position is that you cannot enjoy a Harry Potter book or any other YA novel because it's not War & Peace?
No, I'm saying just because A Song of Ice and Fire is well-written doesn't mean readers can't complain about it taking 14+ years for The Winds of Winter.

I would define bad as being at the very least as 'less than competent'
I'm also saying that this is a subjective standard. For you, hitting basic English creative writing skills is the competency level within visual novels that deems them 'not bad'. You might as well be saying that it objectively jumped this bar, when you're the one that set that bar low enough for it to cross.

It's nothing to do with sophistication though. It's better than a lot of games, but people who say 'well, it's better than most games so that's good enough for me' are still being affected by bias. The games they've played that have let them down has effected them to the degree that they'll now accept something that does the basics as being 'not bad'. Other people haven't had that experience, but you're unfairly labelling the latter as subjective and the former as unbiased.
 
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  1. Release Notes: EVENTS
    • One new Zii-Zii Blackholt path event (with two sex scenes)
    • One new Che-Lin Blackholt path event (with one sex scene)
    • One new Jezera NTR arc event (with one sex scene)
    • One new Jezera Favour Event (with one sex scene)
    • One new cucking Helayna room event (with one new sex scene, and two repeat variants)
    • A new branch has been added to the scene where Rowan meets Alexia before the battle of Astarte if she has abandoned the Andras NTR path (with two new sex scenes)
    ART
    • Sixteen new CGs (with fifty-six variants)
    QOL
    • Save files can now be renamed
    • Work shop building prerequisites bug fix
    • Prisoner icon added
    • End of week reports screen adjusted
    • Added research thumbnails, research details and implementations
    • Raeve keep - restricted access on top part of the keep
    • Chaos incursion quest icons placements
    • Chaos incursion elf smuggling repositioned
    • Tutorial screens added for all major mechanics
 

JoeSte91

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I was curious if there's a big difference in content for the patreon and non patreon versions. For some reason I've never played this game partly due to the multiple endings tag. I usually avoid those types of games even if they are a really good game.
Multiple ending tags doesn't really apply, yet. The differences between patreon and non-patreon versions is that there's censored and uncensored versions because some non-human scenes had to be removed for patreon.
 

Fer978

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Multiple ending tags doesn't really apply, yet. The differences between patreon and non-patreon versions is that there's censored and uncensored versions because some non-human scenes had to be removed for patreon.
Is the censorship between Patreon/non Patreon just the removal of bestiality scene or something else?
 

perles75

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aren't y'all tired of complaining about all the same issues every time?? I am not saying one shouldn't complain, but I've read the EXACT same rants 10,000 times at this point: yes, the game is taking ages; yes it's just the first act; yes they made quite a mess in development during the first years; yes, the MC is relatively powerless and humiliated, especially at the beginning; yes, they removed quite a lot stuff (not willingly); and I'm not even discussing personal preferences not fitting the game tags. Etc etc.
After a while, just accept it and move on.
 
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JoeSte91

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yes, the game is taking ages; yes it's just the first act; yes they made quite a mess in development during the first years;
I don't complain about it that often because it is what it is at this point. For the most part I just go focus on other games while I wait.

But other posters acting like it shouldn't be complained about, or that people should just shut up about the development issues is what I'm debating against. These are reasonable concerns so it's not surprising that it comes up often. You can look at the steam reviews. Recent reviews have been mixed compared to the overall which was positive. But even the positive reviews comment about the development time and whether the game will ever actually be completed. So it's not surprising that these are reoccurring issues.
 
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