philfire61

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Such a great game that has an amazing storyline.

Can't wait for the next update!
I can't wait for two events ... Abby manages to seduce Frank (with fantastic fuck), and subsequent addition to the Harem ... and the discovery that Becca is Frank's biological daughter. I can add that, it would not be bad if Shannon discovers Harem, and it turns out that she knew that Becca was Frank's daughter and causes a nice mess, without obviously getting anything.
 
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janetitan

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I can't wait for two events ... Abby manages to seduce Frank (with fantastic fuck), and subsequent addition to the Harem ... and the discovery that Becca is Frank's biological daughter. I can add that, it would not be bad if Shannon discovers Harem, and it turns out that she knew that Becca was Frank's daughter and causes a nice mess, without obviously getting anything.
why see frank fuck abby? for me she's clearly the least sexy character in the game, for becca there's nothing to prove that frank is her father or just a fan's fantasy, for the moment it's just speculation, nothing proves that this one is her father
 

AdmiralSpock

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I can't wait for two events ... Abby manages to seduce Frank (with fantastic fuck), and subsequent addition to the Harem ... and the discovery that Becca is Frank's biological daughter. I can add that, it would not be bad if Shannon discovers Harem, and it turns out that she knew that Becca was Frank's daughter and causes a nice mess, without obviously getting anything.
Abby & Frank will never do it as long as the dev uses Patreon. Likewise, Becca will not ever be revealed to be Frank's biological daughter, even though all the hints point to it (including from the dev).
 

philfire61

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first, we have she is not frank's biological daughter, she is the exact copy of her mother and she is having an affair with lilith. it is obvious that she will end up having sex with frank, maybe even with both, lilith and frank. second, there has already been a lot of debate about whether becca could be frank's biological daughter. also, there is a clue in BECCA RECKONING. becca, has calculated the timing of her mother's pregnancy, and has come to the conclusion that there is this possibility. she has in fact started a paternity test. let's wait for the second part, to find out the truth.
 

AdmiralSpock

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If either Frank & Abby have sex and/or Becca is proven to be Frank's real daughter the dev will lose Patreon as an option, and currently that is the main source of income by a long shot.
 

philfire61

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in my opinion, the DEV, will reveal everything in the last episode. that way, Patreon will not have a way to block until the last.
 

HiHaHo

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in my opinion, the DEV, will reveal everything in the last episode. that way, Patreon will not have a way to block until the last.
i doubt that will happen, he announced a new main VN project which mean he intends to keep going as a VN dev and patreon will likely be a part off that
 

JQuillon

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If either Frank & Abby have sex and/or Becca is proven to be Frank's real daughter the dev will lose Patreon as an option, and currently that is the main source of income by a long shot.
Don't forget that the plan is for Single Again to leave Patreon preemptively after the very next update (1.24.3) while Clever Name Games concurrently starts another game (much "safer" in its storyline) on Patreon. Both games are then supposed to alternate updates, Single Again on SubscribeStar and the new game on Patreon (which means that update times will be doubled, unfotunately, but that can't be helped).
 

Jace_Herondale

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Don't forget that the plan is for Single Again to leave Patreon preemptively after the very next update (1.24.3) while Clever Name Games concurrently starts another game (much "safer" in its storyline) on Patreon. Both games are then supposed to alternate updates, Single Again on SubscribeStar and the new game on Patreon (which means that update times will be doubled, unfotunately, but that can't be helped).
Do we know what will be the plot of this new game?
 

JQuillon

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Do we know what will be the plot of this new game?
I may be wrong, but I don't think that CNG gave anything away yet regarding the new game. I guess we'll just have to wait and see (nothing even remotely looking like possible family or step-family relations seems a given, though, so as not to risk any ban from Patreon).
 

Jace_Herondale

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I may be wrong, but I don't think that CNG gave anything away yet regarding the new game. I guess we'll just have to wait and see (nothing even remotely looking like possible family or step-family relations seems a given, though, so as not to risk any ban from Patreon).
While I do like stepcest aspect the most important element for me is the age gap. I like those romances. Both older guy/ young girl and older woman/ younger guy.
 
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Frazzanova

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i doubt that will happen, he announced a new main VN project which mean he intends to keep going as a VN dev and patreon will likely be a part off that
That's actually in favor of being the bio dad/nailing Abby. He needs a project that he can put on Patreon while he takes SA off so he can finish the story that would violate their terms.
 

HiHaHo

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That's actually in favor of being the bio dad/nailing Abby. He needs a project that he can put on Patreon while he takes SA off so he can finish the story that would violate their terms.
this is just you wanting something to happen and fitting your logic to do so.

From a "marketing" standpoint its stupid to make any incest cannon,its better to not do it and keep SA on patreon while making the 2nd project , as they will advertise each other that way.

the way to introduce incest into SA is a "3rd party" patch and skirt around the TOS like most other avn's (as the dev would legally not be responsible that way)

i'm honestly surprised no big incest fan has bothered a modder to make a patch yet,although it will make the story seem inconsistent/incoherent at some points it wouldn't be the 1st avn to get like that.
 

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this is just you wanting something to happen and fitting your logic to do so.
No, it's the history of many creators that did exactly that. You are free to disbelieve.

its stupid to make any incest cannon
Not really. A lot of people specifically support games for that exact content. Creating content that appeals to a large number of supporters isn't stupid. Look up that the most searched porn titles are. Guess what is at the tippy top. Then guess what sort of tag and content attract backers for AV games. "Marketing" would suggest every game should have that tag for SEO.

patch and skirt around the TOS
Creators still get kicked off of Patreon for "3rd party" incest patches. The community managers at Patreon aren't stupid, they know that the devs specifically code their games to allow for patching and/or create the patches themselves, and have kicked many, many creators off for it. You don't seem super knowledgeable about the history of Patreon and incest banning.
 

HiHaHo

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TLDR:
Incest based VN's isn't something i proactively follow so i indeed have little knowlage on its history.
patreon banning Dev's that have a 3rd party incest patch isn't something i've seen yet

using F95 as a refference for "best" tag to be a popluar/succesfull AVN isn't "incest".

top 10 vn's based on top Likes(a like on the OP)
it has a 1/10 hit rate as a incest focus , 4/10 as side content/3rd party patches
top 10 based on Reviews (weighted rating)
its 2/10 have incest ,1 is player based typing your preference the other is 3rd party based

although incest is indeed present in the top VN's ,its mostly optional(3rd party) and/or side content.

Conclusion:
Making SA into a incest cannon focused game likely won't change much if anything at all for its succes/popularity ,so doing that would still be a unwise move to get the" A lot of people specifically support games for that exact content." to support whilst dropping if off Patreon and missing exposure from it.
3rd party patch if stil the way to go about it IMO.

Not really. A lot of people specifically support games for that exact content. Creating content that appeals to a large number of supporters isn't stupid. Look up that the most searched porn titles are. Guess what is at the tippy top. Then guess what sort of tag and content attract backers for AV games. "Marketing" would suggest every game should have that tag for SEO.
read all this and checked around on f95 , using the incest tag + weighted rating & likes.

the most popular incest games dev's still have a patreon ,most have moved on to second project's etc. but also still feature mentions on previous games, also the "3rd party" patch or typing in relationships yourself is thing i noticed to be most common in the incest tagged games ,games where its Cannon and not optinal seem to be rare.

Top 10 based on likes(a like on the orignal post)
1.badik (no incest)
2.summer time saga (incest side paths now 3rd party due to patreon TOS but orginally cannon)
3.milfy city (3rd party incest)(haven't actaully tried this so incest could be a Main focus here)
4.harem hotel (incest side paths if i remember correctly its on one sis x sis but in no way is this a Incest focussed VN)
5.eternum (no incest (yet? sister x sister/mother x daughter might become a thing))
6.treasure of nadia (3rd party incest)
7. what a legend! (no incest)
8. city of broken dreamer (no incest)
9 Desert stalker (type your own relationship ,so user based incest or not)
10. Dating my daughter (the only one i'd say is a true cannon Incest foccused game in this top 10 )

Top 10 based on Weighted rating (actual reviews)
1. Pale carnations (no incest)
2. eternum (no incest (yet? sister x sister/mother x daughter might become a thing))
3. Desert stalker (type your own relationship ,so user based incest or not)
4. Leap of faith (no incest)
5.one in a lifetime (3rd party patch incest)
6. badik (no incest)
7.hooked! (no incest)
8.Superhuman (no incest)
9 katawa shoujo (no incest)
10.my pig princess ( no incest)

even looking further then the top 10 ,The "best" SEO tag seems to be "vignal sex" and defaults like that ,putting those aside the next ones seems to be "sandbox" & "exohibitionsm".
regardless F95 in no way shows a indacation that the "incest" tag is a driving factor in VN's succes
i won't deny it adds some fans but it is no way the reason the vn's are popular/succesfull

Creators still get kicked off of Patreon for "3rd party" incest patches. The community managers at Patreon aren't stupid, they know that the devs specifically code their games to allow for patching and/or create the patches themselves, and have kicked many, many creators off for it. You don't seem super knowledgeable about the history of Patreon and incest banning.
you do see some VN's that don't have patreons and only subscribestar (mainly those that seem to be "hardcore" in their portraying off the incest)
And no i don't actively follow patreons banning off incest games as incest isn't my fetish, it does seem that most do still skirt around it with the incest not being on the nose via 3rd party patches etc.

i do remember a few years big that there was the sudden big incest wave on regular pornsite (like pornhub etc.) where sudden everything was step-mother/sister etc. it did seem like was a big thing all the sudden.

you have been around the F95 community longer then i have so i won't deny there might've been tons off incest game banning off patreon etc.(actually have only seen it happen once in the ~2 years i've been around here)
but it isn't something i've see happen alot since i joined the f95 community
 

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No, it's the history of many creators that did exactly that. You are free to disbelieve.
Even if 99.99% of the devs does this, that means little for this game.
"Marketing" would suggest every game should have that tag for SEO.
Marketing makes bad games. Otherwise for big audience and SEO it would be good to have as many tags as possible.
It is also a known strategy to identify a sweet spot and target that one instead of targeting what all other already targeting and compete with all them.

Short: What this dev do and don't do we will see. In the moment it looks like that Abby won't get Frank and that Becca isn't confirm (and neither denied) to be his (biological) daughter.
 
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