Trikus

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Guess you have played kinetic novels all your life, but when the story revolves around choices, it might come as a shock to you but people want choices in those VNs.
You don't get to choose everything. Did you get the choice to divorce Shannon? Did you get the choice to marry Jessica and adopt Abby? Did you get the choice to reject Nessa and Beth as customers? Did you get the choice to exclude Mei from the entire game? Did you get the choice to not get the apartment for Lilly and Becca? Did you get the choice to not sleep in the bed with Abby all the way through the game? Games do give you choices, but they also have to force some things to keep the narrative going. The dev is the story teller and he is including the content he wants. If you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to play it.

Sadly no, we're beaten over the head with having to suffer through all the details of their sex life... for reasons. Hey, it's great Frank is supportive of them being fuck buddies/friends with benefits, and we know eventually Abby will join the poly relationship, but somehow being ok with knowing what's going on between them = being subjected to hearing a play-by-play report along with their their kinks and use of introducing toys, because why not?
If you don't like lesbian content, don't download a game with the lesbian tag. You are slapping yourself in the face.

You do know that just having a tag doesn't indicate how much of that kind of content is in the game right? Believe it or not some devs actually give the player a chance to opt out/avoid or skip those kinks. There are also several times when those kinks play a minor role or a limited to side/avoidable characters.
You still get told the content is there. I personally don't want to see vore games, even if it is one scene in a 50 hour story. If I see it tagged, I don't download it and don't visit the comments to moan about it. I take responsibility for my choices and don't cry about it constantly in the game thread.

The names on the labels don't match the names in the dialogue, how do I resolved this?
Back up your saves, then delete the persistant data. That might fix it for you.
 
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You don't get to choose everything. Did you get the choice to divorce Shannon? Did you get the choice to marry Jessica and adopt Abby? Did you get the choice to reject Nessa and Beth as customers? Did you get the choice to exclude Mei from the entire game? Did you get the choice to not get the apartment for Lilly and Becca? Did you get the choice to not sleep in the bed with Abby all the way through the game? Games do give you choices, but they also have to force some things to keep the narrative going. The dev is the story teller and he is including the content he wants. If you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to play it.



If you don't like lesbian content, don't download a game with the lesbian tag. You are slapping yourself in the face.


You still get told the content is there. I personally don't want to see vore games, even if it is one scene in a 50 hour story. If I see it tagged, I don't download it and don't visit the comments to moan about it. I take responsibility for my choices and don't cry about it constantly in the game thread.


Back up your saves, then delete the persistant data. That might fix it for you.
You're talking common sense and logic on F95....

....I'm going to have to ask you stop immediately :WeSmart: :ROFLMAO:
 

MRMIdAS2k

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Abby doesn't want to be coupled with Lily but MC keeps gaslighting it with dev keeps showing it. Now talking about strap-on with MC? I don't mind married couples and showing it. Just Dev keeps on repeating MC over and over again with the same dialog.
Did you read ANYTHING Abby said? She's not even *slightly* reluctant to be with Lily, she just wants kids. Franks to be exact, no gaslighting needed.

Sorry, but no chick reluctantly goes out unprompted to buy a strapon to fuck the girl she's been casually hooking up with for AGES.


Ironically, they both hate cheaters, but would qualify for it in my eyes in this scenario, since Frank & Lilly and Abby & Lilly would be running simultaneously, but Abby is the only one who doesn't know about it.
Abby has said, MANY times she and Lily aren't in a relationship. No cheating there.
Frank knows Lily hooks up with Abby and is fine with it. No cheating there.
 
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Octave87

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Does anyone have a chapter 1 download with the old models? Came back to this game after a time away and they just aren't the same. Why is everything so much like Slenderman now?
 

AmBush-UK

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Have you tried it without the mod?


If this was the 10th or 15th update I'd downloaded then maybe I would have tried that before posting here. However as I stated:
I Just started playing This VN the other day
So It's a Clean 'install' and as such it would be safe to assume It and the mod were fully compatable, This however appears to be Untrue. Also as it's a clean 'install' I deleated the 8.4GiB File after staring the VN to save space.

Either way as nobody else has reported any problems without the Mod, The logical conclusion is The Mod is the problem hence my Post alerting KoGa3.
 
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J.R.

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If this was the 10th or 15th update I'd downloaded then maybe I would have tried that before posting here. However as I stated:

So It's a Clean 'install' and as such it would be safe to assume It and the mod were fully compatable, This however appears to be Untrue. Also as it's a clean 'install' I deleated the 8.4GiB File after staring the VN to save space.

Either way as nobody else has reported any problems without the Mod, The logical conclusion is The Mod is the problem hence my Post alerting KoGa3.
Have you tried the latest mod version? Seems there is a fixed one from yesterday, maybe it solves your problem.
 
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MrLKX

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Abby has said, MANY times she and Lily aren't in a relationship. No cheating there.
Frank knows Lily hooks up with Abby and is fine with it. No cheating there.
Yes, though I'm referring to the situation where Frank had actively spoken to Abby about Lilly's feelings for her, which must have been sometime after the hotel stay. The first, not the version CNG uploaded later because his supporters went on the barricades. I don't remember exactly if Abby did consider the Lilly thing after the conversation, in the original version, but the whole post ultimately refers to that original version of an older update and how things could have evolved from there, which is no longer the case as that version was changed.

And even if it's not cheating, I think certain things are or were questionable:

Frank giving Lilly tips on what to do when she's intimate with Abby, with her mom as Frank's reference.

Frank and Lilly both know that Abby has romantic interest in Frank (quote Lilly: I don't trust her with you), apparently ignore it and don't tell Abby that they have something going on.

Abby and Lilly's rule for making out is that nothing happens between them if either of them has a boyfriend. Lilly hides her boyfriend, strictly speaking breaking this rule (again).

Maybe it's just me who sees it that way, but if I were Abby, I'd be pretty upset. At least as far as the two of them are concerned. I think Abby will have noticed Meiko's feelings for Frank and won't hold her secretiveness against her. Especially since she was more or less blackmailed by Becca.
 

JQuillon

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Is there a sex scene with Abby?
Technically, yes. Several, even. Technically... :LOL:

Maybe it's just me who sees it that way, but if I were Abby, I'd be pretty upset.
Pretty sure she will be (she will probably go ballistic, actually, and the resulting "blackmail" will probably seal Frank's fate). :ROFLMAO:

Also, Becca probably has contingencies in place to smooth things over when this happens--no way she doesn't realize what is at risk when (not if) Abby goes nuclear on Frank and Abby.
 

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Technically, yes. Several, even. Technically... :LOL:



Pretty sure she will be (she will probably go ballistic, actually, and the resulting "blackmail" will probably seal Frank's fate). :ROFLMAO:

Also, Becca probably has contingencies in place to smooth things over when this happens--no way she doesn't realize what is at risk when (not if) Abby goes nuclear on Frank and Abby.
It would be strange if Becca didn't have a plan for this, she's known the two of them (Lilly and Frank) long enough and will be able to imagine Abby's reaction.
 
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AmBush-UK

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Have you tried the latest mod version? Seems there is a fixed one from yesterday, maybe it solves your problem.

Thanks for that I used the Ignore button to bypass the issue already.


It appears The Mod was Updated after my OP I was unaware of an update. I was using SingleAgain Mod-v1.24.3WT_KoGa3.zip Having downloaded SingleAgain Mod-v1.24.3aWT_KoGa3.zip, I just tested it and This issue has been fixed so anyone else starting out won't have this issue.
 
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MRMIdAS2k

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Yes, though I'm referring to the situation where Frank had actively spoken to Abby about Lilly's feelings for her, which must have been sometime after the hotel stay. The first, not the version CNG uploaded later because his supporters went on the barricades. I don't remember exactly if Abby did consider the Lilly thing after the conversation, in the original version, but the whole post ultimately refers to that original version of an older update and how things could have evolved from there, which is no longer the case as that version was changed.
So, something happened, the author corrected it, or revised their work based on feedback, an you're unhappy because?

And even if it's not cheating, I think certain things are or were questionable:

Frank giving Lilly tips on what to do when she's intimate with Abby, with her mom as Frank's reference.
Yes, cos god forbid the Quasi-incestuous game about banging 3 daughter figures gets "Questionable". Next you'll be panning Fetish Locator for being "A bit kinky"

Frank and Lilly both know that Abby has romantic interest in Frank (quote Lilly: I don't trust her with you), apparently ignore it and don't tell Abby that they have something going on.
Because, and bear with me here, because this might be hard to understand, IT IS NONE OF ABBY'S BUSINESS WHO LILY OR FRANK HOOK UP WITH! SHE IS NOT IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH EITHER OF THEM!

Lily is JEALOUS, she LITERALLY SHOWS YOU THIS SEVERAL TIMES, THIS IS THE REAL REASON SHE DOESN'T "TRUST" ABBY WITH YOU!

Abby and Lilly's rule for making out is that nothing happens between them if either of them has a boyfriend. Lilly hides her boyfriend, strictly speaking breaking this rule (again).
They have agreed any relationship they get into also comes with them hooking up, Just because Abby doesn't know, does not mean Lily is cheating.

Maybe it's just me who sees it that way, but if I were Abby, I'd be pretty upset. At least as far as the two of them are concerned. I think Abby will have noticed Meiko's feelings for Frank and won't hold her secretiveness against her. Especially since she was more or less blackmailed by Becca.
She'll get over it. Magic dicking fixes everything.
 
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So, something happened, the author corrected it, or revised their work based on feedback, an you're unhappy because?
No. CNG had a direction for the plot (Frank wanted to get Lilly and Abby together, presumably to “distract” Abby from himself). His patreons (not me) got mad, and CNG was forced to change that storyline to smooth things over. Personally, I see it more like: Whelp, shit happens.
 

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No. CNG had a direction for the plot (Frank wanted to get Lilly and Abby together, presumably to “distract” Abby from himself). His patreons (not me) got mad, and CNG was forced to change that storyline to smooth things over. Personally, I see it more like: Whelp, shit happens.
CNG did a Frank. Wanted something.,.was protective of his work...he got bullied...then he caved lol.
 

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No. CNG had a direction for the plot (Frank wanted to get Lilly and Abby together, presumably to “distract” Abby from himself). His patreons (not me) got mad, and CNG was forced to change that storyline to smooth things over. Personally, I see it more like: Whelp, shit happens.
The funny thing is that the only change is the terminology. People really didn't like Lily and Abby being girlfriends for some reason
 
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I have had some ideas come to my head after going through the whole game again as a refresher, If I had the money I would pay and join the Discord but having been unable to find work since 2017 really bites!
 

TsubameYui

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So, I have my issues with the game, like most people seem to. Most of them have been addressed already, but honestly, my biggest issue is CNG's absolutely atrocious coding skills. 394 individual variables exist, with less than half as many choices existing.

CNG creates 2 individual variables for each binary choice in the game, defaults them both to "0", then sets one of them to "1". He also just numbers the variables, then has to waste time commenting in the code what each variable is for when set, and again whenever it's checked. Could just name the variables a shortened version of the comments, so he doesn't have to constantly comment them.

CNG also uses insane gate chains to check which choices you've made. Instead of just "if picks394 = true then jump blablabla else jump blablabla2", he does shit like "if picks394 = 1 then jump blablabla" "if picks395 = true then jump blablabla2". It doesn't seem like a huge difference, but with so many variables, choices, and checks, it adds up to a ton of extra typing, and a lot more room for errors, of which I've found several on paths where LIs are rejected.

Could just create one variable for each choice, then set it to true or false. In some cases, like the Beth baby batter path, which requires making like 5 or 6 "correct" choices to be chosen, CNG could have just used a single variable, and added one point to it for each correct choice, then just check that the max available points were attained. Instead, he uses another of those insane gate chains at the final conversation, which ends up being like 20 extra lines of code, along with about 11 unnecessary variables, when it could have just been as simple as "if bethbaby = 5 then blablabla else blablabla2".

I just did a run-through where I chose to reject Madison and Tonya, and at some point(didn't dig through to find where yet), the variable "picks255", which the game checks frequently to determine if you have accepted any optional LIs, gets set back to 0. This is the first variable checked when determining if Beth and Nessa choose Frank, and because of that error, even if you make all the correct choices for Beth, if you reject Madison or Tonya(not sure which), the lesbians will not choose Frank.

TLDR: If CNG would learn to code properly, we'd probably get updates twice as fast, since the sloppy coding adds an insane amount of time to production, and causes tons of errors.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
 

Octave87

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I've been digging through the thread to see what happened. Having not played in a few years, life etc, my old files are gone and now replaced. I knew my memory of them couldn't have been so wrong. The change in 2022/2023 is just an ugh. I could grudgingly accept Lilith's added height, and some scenes where she looks like a Bratz doll, but the eyes...

These face just look less lively - is there no way to reverse this?
 
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