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My rant time, my first one on this game. I usually play one game per update, and I admit, it is addictive and had been really fun.

But the biggest complaint I had seen was the ability to get laws passed.

idk, may be there is a cheat for it, but it has gotten worse, much, much worse.
Options -> Town and Environment -> Passing Laws Difficulty - change it from 1.0 to any lower number to make laws a bit easier to pass. From testing it a bit, having it on 0.25 or will generally make laws pass on their own with minimal intervention from the player necessary aside from directing a couple commissioners toward laws you specifically want. At that value, I have seen them fairly consistently push the younger drinking age all the way down to 18 without me even needing to ask (which increases your potential number of visitors and lets you hire younger bartenders). After that it's just a matter of convincing a handful to move from undecided to favorable toward extended hours/singers/whatever.

The other thing that helps is not just making commissioners like you, but making them like/dislike the specific opinions that are tied to each law. So liking "young" makes the lower drinking age more likely to pass, liking "voyeurism" makes it easier to get dancers/reduced clothing laws, etc. All those opinions attached to laws are listed in the ingame help menu under the Laws section.
 
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My rant time, my first one on this game. I usually play one game per update, and I admit, it is addictive and had been really fun.
....
This version is a terrible grind. Maybe Im missing something.
It's not the version. I play this version too, and it's quite easy with the laws.

The Commisioners you got - it's RNG. Sometimes they are strict, sometimes they are lewd. It seems you got a very bad bunch.

As the cult, for me usually it takes only 3-4 months to overcome the cult.

There was a vote or two in the beginning, which failed, but it has been 4 months since they even voted on something.
Now, it's seems to be a bug, the voting not triggering. It happened to me in some older versions. Sometimes the election helps it to trigger again.
 

wookie3000

New Member
Jul 22, 2017
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Considering the most image packs are done via AI, any one know if there's one that just renders the girl and not the background? Would make things much easier.
 

Not YrBroom

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I loaded a recent game that had been nagging me to build a sound booth, but now both the sound booth and the security office are missing form my 'Add Room' menu. I had previously selected them to build just to check the price, but then backed out on the confirmation menu. Could that have removed them as options?

No rooms currently show as under construction. My storage room is being upgraded to level 2. I have expanded the club but haven't built any additional rooms yet (10/20).

Edit: After I started construction on the Auxiliary Office, now the sound booth and security office are back on the menu (along with VIP Area and Back Room which were also missing).
 

Icebird

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Sep 22, 2017
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My rant time, my first one on this game. I usually play one game per update, and I admit, it is addictive and had been really fun.

But the biggest complaint I had seen was the ability to get laws passed.

idk, may be there is a cheat for it, but it has gotten worse, much, much worse.

In this version, the first time I played, it took a year to open the club more than evenings. By that time, you have accumulated so much debt that it is tough to hire anyone.

So I restarted, giving myse3lf more initial cash. 6 months into it, I haven't had one law passed. Not one. There was a vote or two in the beginning, which failed, but it has been 4 months since they even voted on something.

But I have gotten at least a dozen notices saying that this stupid cult has been able to make it more difficult to pass laws.

It isn't like I haven't tried. Mornings and afternoons are spent at City Hall trying to schmooze Commissioners. I have 3 at over 50 in likeability and 1 over 90.

I am not even close to taking over the cult.


And even if I keep grinding, its going to be a long long while before I can get past opening for more than an hour an evening. Much less adding rooms or hiring more people.

This version is a terrible grind. Maybe Im missing something.

/rant over.
As others wrote earlier the passing of laws can be soften in Options menu.
My opinion is raising the initial cash is waste, because the AI clubowners got that value too, this means they become stronger at start and maybe causing to they can avoid bankrupcity. I use add money cheat insead if I got trouble with cash, because only me gets this advantage.

Swaying the commisioners only necessary until you can rely 4 of them. Begging to vote in your favor is time consuming and unreliable. If you find 4 of them corrupt enough (or make them to be, or put your own 'agent' in the comittee) you can buy they vote with money or favor. I like the second way, asking what they need to vote for me, because sometimes they bring they kiddo to give them a job into your club. If you don't like this way you can offer to support they reelection campaign with cash, so they vote cost you around 1500-1700$ per vote. Also a good advice to have friendly relationship with civil servanst in the cityhall, they can randomly offer compromitting materials from comissioners what means one time voting vocheur on that random one. (I'm personally hold 4 gf in the committee and didn't bother the male ones, exept if has opportunity to replace them or blackmail they votes)

About the moral police. For me taking over the mp is not more than 2 meeting. First is necessary, on the second I can manage the takeover. After the first you should talk at least one of the member (or talk about the cult with the leader herself) what to be done to replace the leader (they will suggesting what need to do, if not you're still not recruited enough cultmember sofar). Meanwhile (from the beginning instead) recruit cult members as many as you can. Try avoid any lewd club employees because they likely has already incompatible personalities, concentrate on the meek and snob ones. The better honor and the better clothing helps a bit because it's boost the opinion on you so at least watch out what you wear when you trying. After taking the leadership you can do whatever you want (swaying commisioners is an option too but it's a waste, there are much better options).
 
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Considering the most image packs are done via AI, any one know if there's one that just renders the girl and not the background? Would make things much easier.
Nope.

Myself, when I generate the first picture of a set - the nude one -, I put in prompt "empty background", "white background", someting like that. It works quite well usually, giving a whitish-greyish general backroung, no clutter, no furniture, nothing. For all the other pictures of the set I'm using impaint on the body, so the background not an issue anymore. When I'm done with the set, I use a tool in my Extras tab to make the background transparent, and then some work in GIMP to reduce the remaining "halo".
 
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internet_says

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Here are some suggestions which I think would be cool to see.

1) Please let players have the option to select, at least from 3 or more characters when generating player relatives, It could be framed as when they contact you remembering what they look like. For instance the players mother calls and first you go "Oh right, I remember mom looking like this the last time I saw her." then provide let the player select which character they want like they do for the player character during player creation. the same can be done for the sisters or daughters. Basically giving players a little more control which I think people would like.

2) I think it would be cool to have an event related to the cult once you are the leader where at the meeting, there is an chance for a member to invite you home for dinner after the meeting, or for the player to be able to ask to visit if the member has a high relationship with the player.
At said dinner the member will be there as well if they have a spouse or partner they will be there and also it could be fun if they are young to have at least a mother generated or if they are older a daughter generated. At the dinner itself at the end you could ask to show the family or the member could or the family could be curious to know what you do at the meetings all the time and you basically get to hold a meeting there after the dinner with the member and depending on the families stats and how extreme you go, you could either damage their relationships with their family or convince the family to participate and even recruit the family to join the cult as well.

3) In lab rats 2 reformulate they had a good idea to have a policy where you encourage employees to suggest their family members for jobs at the business, I think that could be cool in this game as well, with maybe the option to give a bonus to the employee that suggests their family member if they get hired and the more the bonus the more likely the employees are to generate and put forward family members.
 

AirEire3

Newbie
Dec 21, 2020
30
8
Okay quick help.

Your main commands are:

"list p" - this will give you a list of all characters in the game, the number at the front is their id. Your character is always 3.

"dump p #" # here is the id. It will show you all stats associated with that character. Yes, it is a bit hard to read, but this isn't meant to be pretty.

How to change stuff:

"cheat set_attr # X Y" Change a stat on a character. Again # is id. X is the variable name for the stat in question. Intelligence for example is "intel"; Sociability is "soc". Y is the value of the stat from -100 to 100

"cheat set_like # R S" #=id. Change an opinion on a character. -2 is hate, 2 is love. -1,0,1 should be self explanatory. R is the opinion variable name. Again some variable names are shorted. Younger is just "young". S is the either -2 to 2, corresponding to the earlier values i said.

"cheat add_cash 3 Z" Add cash to your Main Character where Z is the amount. 3 is actually the ID but why would you ever increase the money to other characters, just use your MC to hand it out.


Image change

"cheat set_image # fileimagename" #=id. fileimagename is the image name in the character folder

This allows you to change the image of the character. Don't like the look of one character, well you can change it, with some caveats. The age/ethnicity style of the character must be maintained. When you do a "list p" command the last item for each id is the fileimagename. For example scw00001. If you now go to the character scw1 folder, and look at the headshot for scw00001, you will see some more info. In this case "f4w" f is female, 4 is the age bracket (basically the tens number of the age of the character), and w is white. Age brackets overlap a little, but usually is you have a 1 character you need to replace the image with 1 and so on. The ethnic value in the 3rd position should also be easy to figure out. (w = white, b = black, a = asian, h = hispanic, r = arabic). Body type doesnt matter as the game changes the values for you.


Things you cant change in console (or are difficult to change that I havent figured it out yet)

Sexuality cant be changed. If someone is gay or asexual then the only way to easily change it is via Save Game Editing. Which works fine, though I suggest an editor like Notepad++ since it will make reading save game info easier. Do remember if you are changing someones sexuality, that you need to also change "f_attr" & "m_attr" in the character stats.

Relationship numbers can also be changed but that seems tedious to figure out.


Anyways,

Total Fluke, thank you for your hard work!
have done this and keeps saying not valid did the command cheat set_image 3 ofg00139
 

Dr. Lin

Newbie
Jan 2, 2023
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nah just says not valid
I don't use the cheats so not sure how it works round this, but try to change it in the save file and in the way set the physical attributes to somewhat match the img set, height, breast size, ass size, body type, etc. And i guess that your character is female? Never tried to change a gender, but would think that you should also change it in the save file.
 

AirEire3

Newbie
Dec 21, 2020
30
8
I don't use the cheats so not sure how it works round this, but try to change it in the save file and in the way set the physical attributes to somewhat match the img set, height, breast size, ass size, body type, etc. And i guess that your character is female? Never tried to change a gender, but would think that you should also change it in the save file.
right ill see whats differnet
 

Ajax_Spartan

Newbie
Jul 10, 2020
29
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Here are some suggestions which I think would be cool to see.

1) Please let players have the option to select, at least from 3 or more characters when generating player relatives, It could be framed as when they contact you remembering what they look like. For instance the players mother calls and first you go "Oh right, I remember mom looking like this the last time I saw her." then provide let the player select which character they want like they do for the player character during player creation. the same can be done for the sisters or daughters. Basically giving players a little more control which I think people would like.

2) I think it would be cool to have an event related to the cult once you are the leader where at the meeting, there is an chance for a member to invite you home for dinner after the meeting, or for the player to be able to ask to visit if the member has a high relationship with the player.
At said dinner the member will be there as well if they have a spouse or partner they will be there and also it could be fun if they are young to have at least a mother generated or if they are older a daughter generated. At the dinner itself at the end you could ask to show the family or the member could or the family could be curious to know what you do at the meetings all the time and you basically get to hold a meeting there after the dinner with the member and depending on the families stats and how extreme you go, you could either damage their relationships with their family or convince the family to participate and even recruit the family to join the cult as well.

3) In lab rats 2 reformulate they had a good idea to have a policy where you encourage employees to suggest their family members for jobs at the business, I think that could be cool in this game as well, with maybe the option to give a bonus to the employee that suggests their family member if they get hired and the more the bonus the more likely the employees are to generate and put forward family members.
Yes, I cannot say enough what a massive QoL would be to have an option to select relatives portraits somehow. I can count dozens of times I have to reload before not the same character appears over and over...

Would be a massive improvement. However I do not know how complex is to implement.

By the way, how is possible that reloading and reloading for this very situation, almost appears the same character around 80% of times. How is calculated or chosen by engine?
 

TotalFluke

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Aug 24, 2021
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I've seen mention here of rare mothers who want to perform as strippers at the same place as their daughters, rather than trying to stop them. Since I've never encountered it, I do not know if that event goes any farther than that, but given that we have mentions of other relationships, and even some of the images look alike, I thought I'd mention that I used to know a pair of identical twin strippers who performed under the name the Porcelain Twinz. That suggests adding to the list the possibility of twins or sisters performing at a club. Perhaps as a visiting act.
Sisters working as strippers can happen organically but there's no actual code to force it to happen. I've added it to my list of things to consider adding in the future. Twins would be cool to have but there's no good way to do it. Using the same image for both twins would be confusing and lame. It would need to be a couple of images created specifically for that and that breaks too many things.

Really, they are invisible then? Read the post, 1 unemployed, no people to be discovered. 0 people to employ.

Yeah but no. I carried on playing even with no staff, cleared my debt in 6 months, still no people to employ. No people undiscovered that I can find. Tried employing other peoples staff, got 1. Game obviously can't cope with aggressive playstyle, which is my style.
At any point in time there's probably a dozen or two characters you haven't met. So they may exist, you don't know about them. As time passes you will eventually run into them. If you have your club clean, with low debt and are posting open positions, you should get people asking for jobs. I'm not sure why you are not seeing that.

I've started playing this. Seems interesting. Although the offering a job ("Consider for Job") is too weird for my liking. In order to consider someone for a job I have to have a post about an open job as if I couldn't offer a job if there is a vacancy for one. And when I have no open job searches on, my sibling sends bartender candidates to my way. I can't offer a job under the counter but my sibling sends their friends to be interviewed. That's silly. Also, sometimes NPCs send their request for an interview after I cancelled the job posting. Please dev do something to this. :)
Welcome to the US legal system for hiring. You can't offer jobs to people without them being publicly available. Family businesses are exempt. The sister sending a recommendation over is a grey area. Sending a request after the posting ended is a perfectly natural thing that happens. They saw the ad right before it expired but they don't know that.

You may want to take a look at the % - of course you're the dev but I started dozens of new games and the chance of meeting the Leader on Mon, Jan 2 in the library is like 100%, provided you pick the right sex skill book (not flirting, kissing, dirty talking) and you never met her before.

It's literally the first thing I do on monday in all of my saves, and if I don't find "backdoor sex", "how to have sex", "groping", etc. I just try again or save-scum.
You are correct. At some point I raised it from 50% to 100%. So yes, if you haven't met her before, the first time you checkout a naughty book (grope or higher) she will appear. After that is 25%.

Bug.

I found a discrepancy between the help info box and the laws.txt code.

The Law: Revealing Clothing Performers Allowed

The prereq law in the Help Box say it needs "Open Evening and Night - All Day", but in the laws.txt it also requires "Dancers Allowed". One of these needs to be changed.
Yeah, the help screen is only showing the last requirement if there's more than one. Will fix it.

Question, what to do with the constant "accounting discrepancy" ?
Build a security office and hire a bouncer. That means that someone is stealing from you and they are good at it so you haven't caught them. Having a security office will improve the chances of you catching them and a good bouncer will increase it even more.

For another feedback on the suddenly closed dialogs.
When I tried offer a medium salary to the npc the event suddenly finish without response or result. Here is the log what happened:

Something similar hapens at mafia fight when you call for help but no bouncer at there and fight your own. Without calling help for the the fight event closing normally, same if the bouncer(s) are working and come to help you.

Also I found out if consider a job what requires high lewdness (like sexworker) and the npc isn't have that much they still accept your invitation and go to interview with you. The sux is at the end when you can't offer anything exept the only 'No' option.

And if I already mentioned the sexworkers: If you hire some they start randomly poking you with sex-for-cash offers like the street hookers do in downtown, even in your own club, regardless you're they boss. As I remember it isn't a fresh problem, but its still exist.
Thanks!. The salary issue is related to another one others reported and should be fixed in the next version. I think. I will keep doing some more testing on it. The mafia one is a new issue so I'll have to look into that.

As for the issue with the lewdness not being high enough to offer a job. That's a situation I'm struggling with. I see that's frustrating when it gets to the end and turns out they are not qualified (can also happen with bartenders that are too young and males that want to be singers/dancers). I want to allow them to come to the interview so that you can learn about them and maybe offer them a different job. And if they want those jobs it means that they like them (i.e. like entertainment jobs) so they will be happier there once their lewdness is addressed.

As for offering their services to you, you are probably right. I should remove that.

My rant time, my first one on this game. I usually play one game per update, and I admit, it is addictive and had been really fun.

But the biggest complaint I had seen was the ability to get laws passed.

idk, may be there is a cheat for it, but it has gotten worse, much, much worse.

In this version, the first time I played, it took a year to open the club more than evenings. By that time, you have accumulated so much debt that it is tough to hire anyone.

So I restarted, giving myse3lf more initial cash. 6 months into it, I haven't had one law passed. Not one. There was a vote or two in the beginning, which failed, but it has been 4 months since they even voted on something.

But I have gotten at least a dozen notices saying that this stupid cult has been able to make it more difficult to pass laws.

It isn't like I haven't tried. Mornings and afternoons are spent at City Hall trying to schmooze Commissioners. I have 3 at over 50 in likeability and 1 over 90.

I am not even close to taking over the cult.


And even if I keep grinding, its going to be a long long while before I can get past opening for more than an hour an evening. Much less adding rooms or hiring more people.

This version is a terrible grind. Maybe Im missing something.

/rant over.
None of that is different on the latest version. In all likelihood you got unlucky with the commissioners and got a bad group.

Considering the most image packs are done via AI, any one know if there's one that just renders the girl and not the background? Would make things much easier.
I wish. The only solution is what Numerious said. Specify a solid background in the prompt (don't use white but rather grey or brown), use a Remove Background plug in to remove it and then use a tool like Gimp to clean it up further if need be.

I loaded a recent game that had been nagging me to build a sound booth, but now both the sound booth and the security office are missing form my 'Add Room' menu. I had previously selected them to build just to check the price, but then backed out on the confirmation menu. Could that have removed them as options?

No rooms currently show as under construction. My storage room is being upgraded to level 2. I have expanded the club but haven't built any additional rooms yet (10/20).

Edit: After I started construction on the Auxiliary Office, now the sound booth and security office are back on the menu (along with VIP Area and Back Room which were also missing).
That's weird. I have no idea what would cause that. Pretty sure is not the select/cancel, but will check that out just in case.

Here are some suggestions which I think would be cool to see.
Thanks for the ideas. Have added them to the list of things to consider.

nah just says not valid
Invalid means that the image is mean for a character of a different gender, race or age.
 

TotalFluke

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Game Developer
Aug 24, 2021
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Here's a very small patch that fixes the problem with no one being able to be a slave. Download the file (it's just 60k) and unpack on top of the existing 1.10 game. NOTE: this only works on version 1.10!

It fixes a few other minor text string issues as well.
 

Icebird

Member
Sep 22, 2017
396
284
right ill see whats differnet
Also you can type in console:
'cheat help'
this shows the correct format:
cheat set_image char_id image_set_key

Replace 'char_id' to the character id (03 is the player, others are in the savefile, or can list in here too)
and replace 'image_set_key' to the wanted header image name
So it looks like something this:
'cheat set_image 03 scw-10001' - this replace your image the first male picture from your scw pack
 

icesavage

Newbie
Apr 29, 2022
24
24
nah just says not valid
Okay the "not valid" tag can come for 2 reasons. First, the character model is already in use. The game will check if another character has that model already and will stop you from changing to it.

Second: is the Age/Ethnic check. The game divides models into 5 age groups, 18-24, 22-31, 28-42, 38-51, 48+. This correspondes to 1 to 5 respectively. Thus a woman who is 28 years old can use both F2, and F3 models, but cannot use F1 models. A 26 year old can only use F2 models. Next is ethnic, a Caucasian/white character must use a W model, while a Latin/Hispanic character must use a H model. Black character use B models, Middle Eastern/Arab characters use R models and finally Asian characters use A models. There is no overlap with the Ethnic tag.

WORK AROUND:

Save your game, go into the Runtime\Save_Files folder and select the save game (use time code to easy see which one it is). Go to the character you want to change, and just edit the Age or Ethnicity. Then use the in game "set_image" command so that the Body stats line up with the new character model you picked out.

This does have unintended consequences of other character defining information NOT changing. For example, if you change a 35 year old to 22, and then she interviews with you and in the interview she says that she has 14 years of experience as a Bouncer. Well.... that did not get changed and she has now been working since she was 8. That can happen with more questionable Jobs too. But hey nothing is perfect and YOU wanted this.


NOTE:
I have only changed NPCs, and not the main character. I see that you are trying to change the MC model. I have no idea if that works. Also, I have also mainly changed age. And only changed the ethnicity of characters before their model was defined on Day 1,Turn 1, before Character Creation. You can change the sex of a character, but realize that you will need to change a flag in the Pregnency Area of the save file for the character. Each characters pregnency data id is character id + 2 and the first Bolean True/False" is True for female and false for Male.
 
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