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Well, MC could have said that he didn't want to go and that' that, miller wouldn't have cuffed him and abducted him lol.

But yes it's a story thing if it's what you mean, mc "choice" and not the player one, he is not a blank self insert slate and the devs want to make the story that they want to make. Mc has his own personality and sometimes make choices the players have no say about it.

Anyway the whole stripclub probably gonna have some importance to the story, maybe a central point even. So if you don't like it (and the characters) the game is probably not for you ? Just a thought.
I think we can safely assume it will definitely be important to the story. Maybe not the Jenni sex, although that could be an issue down the track (no changes yet).

But, getting the envelope from the possibly dirty and very hot cop, is a major plot point (I reckon anyway) and where it was handed over will be relevant too. (Without going to the club, then the story can't move forward).
 

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Well, MC could have said that he didn't want to go and that' that, miller wouldn't have cuffed him and abducted him lol.

But yes it's a story thing if it's what you mean, mc "choice" and not the player one, he is not a blank self insert slate and the devs want to make the story that they want to make. Mc has his own personality and sometimes make choices the players have no say about it.

Anyway the whole stripclub probably gonna have some importance to the story, maybe a central point even. So if you don't like it (and the characters) the game is probably not for you ? Just a thought.
Yeah, becoming drunk had a big effect on the story. I wonder if it was planned originally or if the Devs realized that making a game that takes place during several weeks would be too much at such slow pace. Also, there's the money.
While Ms. Hill's reaction makes more sense if you play a bad boy kind of fuckboy character, it felt very weird if you played a good and helpful one girl guy because the way she calls you a troublemaker made no sense and really made me dislike her.

As a student, the MC doesn't have much to say so in that way, it makes sense he couldn't refuse Miller. But while the first time he went to the club because Ms. Hill hoped it would make Miller hurry more, made some sense, the second time makes no real sense.
 

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Well, MC could have said that he didn't want to go and that' that, miller wouldn't have cuffed him and abducted him lol.

But yes it's a story thing if it's what you mean, mc "choice" and not the player one, he is not a blank self insert slate and the devs want to make the story that they want to make. Mc has his own personality and sometimes make choices the players have no say about it.

Anyway the whole stripclub probably gonna have some importance to the story, maybe a central point even. So if you don't like it (and the characters) the game is probably not for you ? Just a thought.
that might be , and yes the devs should make the story like they want
(i am a great supporter of this)
and i am aware that choices are a illusion
still , that whole miller things seems off
why does he not take mike?
he is written as desperate for girls - would be a logical choice then -no?
there is not a single reason given yet(at the writing) why he takes the mc first

...dont even want to talk about that clingy ms.hill :D

well
maybe the next update gives some light on it
still the renders a great and made with skill
 

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While Ms. Hill's reaction makes more sense if you play a bad boy kind of fuckboy character, it felt very weird if you played a good and helpful one girl guy because the way she calls you a troublemaker made no sense and really made me dislike her.

As a student, the MC doesn't have much to say so in that way, it makes sense he couldn't refuse Miller. But while the first time he went to the club because Ms. Hill hoped it would make Miller hurry more, made some sense, the second time makes no real sense.
this

its a summercamp for art ,not school - ofc he should have a say in it - thats my point at all
:)
 

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that might be , and yes the devs should make the story like they want
(i am a great supporter of this)
and i am aware that choices are a illusion
still , that whole miller things seems off
why does he not take mike?
he is written as desperate for girls - would be a logical choice then -no?
there is not a single reason given yet(at the writing) why he takes the mc first

...dont even want to talk about that clingy ms.hill :D

well
maybe the next update gives some light on it
still the renders a great and made with skill
Only speculating of course.

But Miller was chatting with Lainey at the shops, then he FORCES MC to go to a stripclub (underage), where he leaves MC alone to be confronted by Lainey and become involved in whatever business they have planned.

Whether it was Lainey who said bring MC, or Miller just realized how dumb Mike was, one or both of them have a plan and it involves MC.

And 99% of teenage straight boys get a chance to go to a nightclub, they are not saying no.
 

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Yeah, becoming drunk had a big effect on the story. I wonder if it was planned originally or if the Devs realized that making a game that takes place during several weeks would be too much at such slow pace. Also, there's the money.
While Ms. Hill's reaction makes more sense if you play a bad boy kind of fuckboy character, it felt very weird if you played a good and helpful one girl guy because the way she calls you a troublemaker made no sense and really made me dislike her.

As a student, the MC doesn't have much to say so in that way, it makes sense he couldn't refuse Miller. But while the first time he went to the club because Ms. Hill hoped it would make Miller hurry more, made some sense, the second time makes no real sense.
Again we are coming back to the fact the MC is not a blank slate, even if you choose all the option to be "a good boy", MC end up drinking a lot (with no player inputs) getting drunk and get busted while he was gonna urinate on the flowers. Even if Miller is partially responsible (for breaking curfew and stuff) MC is grown up man so it doesn’t absolve from all responsibility imo.
 

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Again we are coming back to the fact the MC is not a blank slate, even if you choose all the option to be "a good boy", MC end up drinking a lot (with no player inputs) getting drunk and get busted while he was gonna urinate on the flowers. Even if Miller is partially responsible (for breaking curfew and stuff) MC is grown up man so it doesn’t absolve from all responsibility imo.
True, if it was only about that. But Ms. Hill tells him it's only part of it, that his overall behavior is the real reason, calls him a bad influence on the others and a troublemaker. When the MC was worried if she would also send home Mike and Mia, she said "They're not troublemakers like you". So the MC is a bad boy and troublemaker from the start despite how we actually act?
 

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well
if he is - why does he get punished?
see the paradox?
he is either a "child in summerschool" or a "grown up man"
cant have both
but this gets off track now
I don't know what you are talking about, i'm not the one who is saying MC felt obligated to go with Miller because it's a school/summer camp thingy. You mixing my message with the one from Romance^^

edit: that being said, given how young he is and Miller being his teacher, it played a big part why MC did probably felt obligated even if he is not. He is a "student", not their camp aid or whatever. MC is lacking maturity but anwway he is still 19, still a adult, still responsible for his actions not matter the circumstances.
 
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Again we are coming back to the fact the MC is not a blank slate, even if you choose all the option to be "a good boy", MC end up drinking a lot (with no player inputs) getting drunk and get busted while he was gonna urinate on the flowers. Even if Miller is partially responsible (for breaking curfew and stuff) MC is grown up man so it doesn’t absolve from all responsibility imo.
I don’t think the truck sized plot holes help.

Kate kicks you out, my response would have been, ‘no worries, I’m off to chat with your board about why I was kicked out. One of your teachers forced me to a strip club while I was underage and got me drunk. Where his friend, a policewoman gave me an envelope full of money and paid for a lap dance and more drinks and watched me have sex with a stripper. Then I nearly pissed on some flowers.’

I think her summer school program is finished. :ROFLMAO:
 

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True, if it was only about that. But Ms. Hill tells him it's only part of it, that his overall behavior is the real reason, calls him a bad influence on the others and a troublemaker. When the MC was worried if she would also send home Mike and Mia, she said "They're not troublemakers like you". So the MC is a bad boy and troublemaker from the start despite how we actually act?
The reason Ms.Hill is sending him home and calling him a bad influence is just an excuse. The truth is Ms.Hill is getting too close to MC romantically, and doesn't want to cross the line.

So while it is true, MC is not a blank slate, the reason of sending us home is not becuase of being a bad influence, but because she is catching feelings for us.
 
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I don’t think the truck sized plot holes help.

Kate kicks you out, my response would have been, ‘no worries, I’m off to chat with your board about why I was kicked out. One of your teachers forced me to a strip club while I was underage and got me drunk. Where his friend, a policewoman gave me an envelope full of money and paid for a lap dance and more drinks and watched me have sex with a stripper. Then I nearly pissed on some flowers.’

I think her summer school program is finished. :ROFLMAO:
Exactly. I pretty much said that to the screen when she told me... together with a "fuck you". :ROFLMAO:
The reason Ms.Hill is sending him home and calling him a bad influence is just an excuse. The truth is Ms.Hill is getting too close to MC romantically, and doesn't want to cross the line.

So while it is true, MC is not a blank slate, the reason of sending us home is not becuase of being a bad influence, but because she is catching feelings for us.
But she does this even if you don't romance her. That's the problem. The scenes showing her romantic feelings to the MC only show if you try to seduce her, but she will always send you home.
 

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I don’t think the truck sized plot holes help.

Kate kicks you out, my response would have been, ‘no worries, I’m off to chat with your board about why I was kicked out. One of your teachers forced me to a strip club while I was underage and got me drunk. Where his friend, a policewoman gave me an envelope full of money and paid for a lap dance and more drinks and watched me have sex with a stripper. Then I nearly pissed on some flowers.’

I think her summer school program is finished. :ROFLMAO:
I'm glad I'm not the only one that was scratching my head at Kate kicking him out. Granted, the only way I'm really enjoying this is turning my brain off and just accepting AVN logic in the hopes that the pretty renders will eventually tell a decent story. I guess I'm just disappointed this is trying to be more ambitious than slice of life at art camp. The LIs look great and while I don't care for the strip club/corrupt cop story, it's clearly the story the devs are interested in telling so I'll just have to groan and hope Sophie and Bree's content makes up for it.
 

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I'm glad I'm not the only one that was scratching my head at Kate kicking him out. Granted, the only way I'm really enjoying this is turning my brain off and just accepting AVN logic in the hopes that the pretty renders will eventually tell a decent story. I guess I'm just disappointed this is trying to be more ambitious than slice of life at art camp. The LIs look great and while I don't care for the strip club/corrupt cop story, it's clearly the story the devs are interested in telling so I'll just have to groan and hope Sophie and Bree's content makes up for it.
Same here. I'm also only really interested in the art camp stuff so the rest feel a bit annoying sometimes. And it's unfortunate that the main story seems to assume you play the character in a certain way. I prefer to play single routes but while the game allows you to play that way, the main story doesn't acknowledge it. It assumes that you play a fuckboy troublemaker.
I guess I can understand that it they have to do it that way to not have too much work making the main scenes, it becomes a bit annoying.
 

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But she does this even if you don't romance her. That's the problem. The scenes showing her romantic feelings to the MC only show if you try to seduce her, but she will always send you home.
But just because we don't romance her, doesn't mean the feeling aren't there for her. We can avoid Mia, but she still likes us. The other girls will find you interesting and attractive whether you pursue them or not. You can only control MC, but not the girls.

I will agree the kick out storyline is not my favorite, but I am willing to give it time and see how it plays out.
 

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But just because we don't romance her, doesn't mean the feeling aren't there for her. We can avoid Mia, but she still likes us. The other girls will find you interesting and attractive whether you pursue them or not. You can only control MC, but not the girls.
True, but the others show their interest no matter what (except for maybe Eve), Ms. Hill doesn't. Unless you try to seduce her, she shows no sign of being interested.
 

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So i just replayed the part when we interact with her after the club and in the morning.

When she said "it's not just that" talking about MC peeing on the flowerbed. She say it's also because of everything and his behaviour : referring IMO to JUST last night (99% sure) not the rest of the day. No matter what you do MC comment on her tits after getting busted and call her "mommy" at least once and other stuff (yes it's stupid stuff you do when drunk but still), + the fact that his is drunk when it is clearly forbidden ( this one Miller have nothing to do with btw) and peeing on the flowers, i think it can safely be called bad behaviour and a normal justification for expulsion even with the lessening circumstances of a "teacher" bringing MC to a stripclub . And as i said earlier for me, MC is totally responsible (and old enough) for accepting to follow Miller to the club the second time.

edit: You aslo have to take in consideration the Caitlynn barely know MC and it's understandable that she is worried it could get worst if she let him stay.

edit: Also for the ones who want MC to tell "fuck off " to her. Why ? She defo not deserve that. Why would you try to be an asshole and make troubles for her for whatever stupid stuff MC and Miller are doing/have done? Even if, Mc seems like a non-confrontational "nice dude " it would be out of character no?
 
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