VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Black Orchid]

You saved me from being longwinded about it. Exactly this. Also, because WiaB exists, SG doesn't have to explain the backstory, people can find out, Ocean doesn't need to waste half the story narrative telling the past, outlining relations and connections.

but he has to spend time developing a second game to along with the other one. what you said would apply if one game was previously finished but it's not. he has to develop two games and the players have to play both of them simultaneously.

 

[BobTheDuck]

but he has to spend time developing a second game to along with the other one. what you said would apply if one game was previously finished but it's not. he has to develop two games and the players have to play both of them simultaneously.

Yeah, and SG was the second game. So by your logic, he should stop SG and finish WiaB before releasing anything more in SG.

I can play both games, and enjoy them for what they are. Let's see how thing actually progress with the new workstation in terms of real world releases. If Ocean goes back to ~2500 renders per update like he said, we could get 2 of these a year, per game at his current speeds. I'd be pretty happy with that.

 

[Black Orchid]

Yeah, and SG was the second game. So by your logic, he should stop SG and finish WiaB before releasing anything more in SG.

how did you come up with this? i just said that what you said makes no sense cause he still has to work on both games at once, so there is no time being saved.

 

[sorco2003]

but he has to spend time developing a second game to along with the other one. what you said would apply if one game was previously finished but it's not. he has to develop two games and the players have to play both of them simultaneously.

Technically, no. You don't need to play SG to play WIAB...
Now, if you are only interested in SG, you can play it without any problem... but if you want to know all the details, you should play WIAB at the same time.
In theory, and at least until now (it may change for reasons) SG can be played independently and you won't miss any of the really important stuff.

 

[BobTheDuck]

how did you come up with this? i just said that what you said makes no sense cause he still has to work on both games at once, so there is no time being saved.

You were talking about hypotheticals if he finished a game first, based on my reply to someone else's comment. At least read back for context.

His first game was WiaB, so to finish a game before continuing - if he decided to do that when Regium quit SG, there would be no SG. Based on the fact at that point WiaB had more content, that would've been the one to finish first. WiaB doesn't need any SG content to be complete, SG does to some extent require WiaB to be consistent.

But it's really not a point to argue, because Ocean's not listening to us, and is doing it the way he wants. There will be an update for each game soon, WiaB maybe in a month? SG maybe in 3-4? Then we'll see if Ocean can pick up speed moving forward, and stop trying to build mountains instead.

 

[Cabin Fever]

I say the main issue with Ocean is that he doing to major long AVN projects at the same time. Because of this, his time is split and he can't put as much time as needed on each project. That is the reason why the time frame between releases feel so long. If he was to focus on 1 project like SG than he can move faster on each update. I also think that the lack of lewd scenes in SG is finally beginning to catch up to it. We're about to enter S2 and there still no signs of a lewd scene. That may change when the new episode drops but the we still don't know. Ocean losing patreon subs slowly is a warning sign that something is wrong and their needs to be a change especially since S1 was released on steam as well in May of last year.

NO, that's not the main issue. The main issue is Ocean keeps revisiting published parts of the story and making changes to both story and render.

 

[JJJ84]

NO, that's not the main issue. The main issue is Ocean keeps revisiting published parts of the story and making changes to both story and render.

This.
Absolutely this.

And sure, he may be done with SG Remake/Remaster....for now...... lol, but let's not forget he's still ongoing with WIAB remake; which while I could be wrong (given I don't keep up to date all that much with WIAB devlogs by Ocean) I'm guessing is still a long way away from completion.

Hearing Ocean frequently buying new Graphics Card or new PC with his devlogs, certainly doesn't alleviate those concerns.
His "perfectionist" mentality is like a double edged sword; on one hand, it makes his games look gorgeous.
But on the other hand, I do think enough is enough at this point in terms of visual quality.
What he should be focusing on is the speed of new episodes, not going back to old ones to do changes, especially given he announced like 30 episodes or something for SG (which, I dunno whether these 2 games will even be completed in my lifetime )

So personally, I hope that he puts any remakes for SG in backburner until the game is completely done.
Same goes for WIAB when he completes his current remake and moves onto new episodes.
He can go to remake or remaster both games how he wants it after all the stories and releases for them are out.

But honestly?
I dunno whether Ocean is able to show such restraint of putting future remakes entirely in backburner until the game is completed.
Cause for all we know, he could still be itching for that remake like someone suddenly going cold turkey.
I guess time will tell.

 

[Ayhsel]

Hearing Ocean frequently buying new Graphics Card or new PC with his devlogs, certainly doesn't alleviate those concerns.
His "perfectionist" mentality is like a double edged sword; on one hand, it makes his games look gorgeous.
But on the other hand, I do think enough is enough at this point in terms of visual quality.
What he should be focusing on is the speed of new episodes, not going back to old ones to do changes, especially given he announced like 30 episodes or something for SG (which, I dunno whether these 2 games will even be completed in my lifetime )

This. Just this! Even forgetting about remakes, the problem is this

Ocean's quality is way above the desired levels. Like if great quality is a 9, Ocean is going for 12. Look at his last post "hey immersion is important so I need 30+ characters but that is why it is taking longer to do this scene". If, after getting a monster machine you are having problem putting 30+ people, DON'T PUT 30 people it in. Almost everyone would tell you after the 20s one the marginal effect of adding another has strong diminishing effects on player's impact but huge effect on production cost.

In fact, we can analyze it with math







Math makes everything more pretty.



EDIT: technically, the finishing time "t hat" should also be a function of Q(t), as it would be the infimum such that integral of Q(t) crosses 1, that is the time in which total output reaches 1. I should fix that.
EDIT2: I missed one term from line 6 to 7. Too lazy to fix it.
EDIT3: It's kind of annoying me . I might fix it when i get home. Fucking OCDs.
EDIT4: still need to edit it. Been playing the most perverted, erotic, absurd porn game of all times. Skyrim.

 

[JJJ84]

This. Just this! Even forgetting about remakes, the problem is this

Ocean's quality is way above the desired levels. Like if great quality is a 9, Ocean is going for 12. Look at his last post "hey immersion is important so I need 30+ characters but that is why it is taking longer to do this scene". If, after getting a monster machine you are having problem putting 30+ people, DON'T PUT 30 people it in. Almost everyone would tell you after the 20s one the marginal effect of adding another has strong diminishing effects on player's impact but huge effect on production cost.

In fact, we can analyze it with math

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Yeah, the thing is, if Ocean wants to play around with having 30+ characters at the same time; I'd be fine with - well, with one essential condition, that he finish the original VN first 100%, with 20 characters as the limit.
Cause how many would genuinely care whether if it's the 30 or 20 characters?
I'd say almost everyone (if not literally everyone) won't care.
In fact, people will only get more wary about the impact this will have on his production speed.

While I don't have a problem with him getting monster machines (devs upgrade their PC/GPU, though I'm not sure anyone who does it as frequently as Ocean), what I wish to see is him making these purchases influencing his speed of development and the quantity of renders these new PCs of his are generating increasing.
He's already hit a ceiling in terms of quality, and with PC tech obviously always being outdated, the whole constant remake or increase in detail that temptation will increase.
I mean, it's comparison of 20 vs 30 characters on screen at once now. If in a year from now, he gets another monster PC will he be attempting to put in 50 characters?
It's basically trying to reach a ceiling which is constantly getting higher and higher.

And with remakes/remasters, why bother to go in constant remake cycle if by the time he finish SG (or WIAB, whichever comes first in completion), he's not happy with it and just redoes the entire game with his newest PC with mega GPU at time?
All the constant remake/changes cycle would have been just a big waste of time which could have been much better spent elsewhere.

In essence, Ocean needs to dial down his Quality control a bit & instead dial up on his speed & quantity.

And yes, math makes everything pretty, heh.

 

[Catsup3227]

Finished the first season now. It's a decent game. Kind of fun and not overly "clichey". Could use a little more variation regarding how the women look. I think it's Victoria, Bella, Maja, Mila, Nadia and Sasha that looks similar to each other. Nami and Nia kind of looks similar too. Wouldn't hurt if the characters look a little less like each other, but hey, at least they look good!

For a dev that doesn't want to make a game "to fap to" there sure are a lot of nude scenes, butts, boobs, asses in thongs and the odd vagina here or there. Either keep the erotic scenes to a minimum or just go the distance with it. Don't pussyfoot around it.

 

[Maviarab]

For a dev that doesn't want to make a game "to fap to"

Well that would be your first mistake then wouldn't it....

 

[Ayhsel]

For a dev that doesn't want to make a game "to fap to" there sure are a lot of nude scenes, butts, boobs, asses in thongs and the odd vagina here or there. Either keep the erotic scenes to a minimum or just go the distance with it. Don't pussyfoot around it.

I disagree. It's all about teasing. Teasing makes you want it more.

The devil really gets it.

 

[Winterstale]

This. Just this! Even forgetting about remakes, the problem is this

Ocean's quality is way above the desired levels. Like if great quality is a 9, Ocean is going for 12. Look at his last post "hey immersion is important so I need 30+ characters but that is why it is taking longer to do this scene". If, after getting a monster machine you are having problem putting 30+ people, DON'T PUT 30 people it in. Almost everyone would tell you after the 20s one the marginal effect of adding another has strong diminishing effects on player's impact but huge effect on production cost.

In fact, we can analyze it with math

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Math makes everything more pretty.

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EDIT: technically, the finishing time "t hat" should also be a function of Q(t), as it would be the infimum such that integral of Q(t) crosses 1, that is the time in which total output reaches 1. I should fix that.
EDIT2: I missed one term from line 6 to 7. Too lazy to fix it.

Math on a porn forum to break down a visual novel’s output? Well, now I’ve seen it all

 

[matschbirne]

Math on a porn forum to break down a visual novel’s output? Well, now I’ve seen it all

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[warheadd]

This thread is split into four main groups. Those who support Ocean and how development is going, those who disapprove of how development is going and generally distrust Ocean and his word, those who ask if there is sex in the game, and those who generally talk about the content of the game itself. We are at the stage now where if either of the first two groups are vindicated, there will be war in the thread. Regardless, the most important thing that all groups should focus on is how will Nika fix his penis. Because if there is no penis, there is no fuck, and no fuck is bad!

 

[Catsup3227]

I disagree. It's all about teasing. Teasing makes you want it more.

The devil really gets it.

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Teasing is one thing, but this is close to edging. Guess we found Ocean's fetish: edging while your peener don't work!

 

[Ray_D]

This. Just this! Even forgetting about remakes, the problem is this

Ocean's quality is way above the desired levels. Like if great quality is a 9, Ocean is going for 12. Look at his last post "hey immersion is important so I need 30+ characters but that is why it is taking longer to do this scene". If, after getting a monster machine you are having problem putting 30+ people, DON'T PUT 30 people it in. Almost everyone would tell you after the 20s one the marginal effect of adding another has strong diminishing effects on player's impact but huge effect on production cost.

In fact, we can analyze it with math

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Math makes everything more pretty.

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EDIT: technically, the finishing time "t hat" should also be a function of Q(t), as it would be the infimum such that integral of Q(t) crosses 1, that is the time in which total output reaches 1. I should fix that.
EDIT2: I missed one term from line 6 to 7. Too lazy to fix it.
EDIT3: It's kind of annoying me . I might fix it when i get home. Fucking OCDs.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Teasing is one thing, but this is close to edging. Guess we found Ocean's fetish: edging while your peener don't work!

I mean hey, it's a fetish for some. Those who protest loudest most likely.

Given Nika has no horny, it makes sense to me that the content is low key. Also, he's known these people (other than Noji and Nami) for at most 3 days. In Vanessa's case, she got naked with him within hours of meeting him. Nika's getting dry humped by Bella, groping Mila and Vic. Vic he met a month earlier in non sexy circumstances, but even still, it's too soon for him to get anything from anyone BUT Nami, given his trust issues/panic attacks.

It's not been years between updates for Nika, he's only just arrived at Nick's house, he's not a self aware AI saying, "hey daddy Ocean, my balls are bigger than Mila's boobs right now, please let me out."

 

[John972]

I mean hey, it's a fetish for some. Those who protest loudest most likely.

Given Nika has no horny, it makes sense to me that the content is low key. Also, he's known these people (other than Noji and Nami) for at most 3 days. In Vanessa's case, she got naked with him within hours of meeting him. Nika's getting dry humped by Bella, groping Mila and Vic. Vic he met a month earlier in non sexy circumstances, but even still, it's too soon for him to get anything from anyone BUT Nami, given his trust issues/panic attacks.

It's not been years between updates for Nika, he's only just arrived at Nick's house, he's not a self aware AI saying, "hey daddy Ocean, my balls are bigger than Mila's boobs right now, please let me out."

Given Nika's now 18 years old, with teenage balls filled to the brim due to erectile dysfunction, I wanna know if Ocean's new workstation will be able to handle rendering Nika's first ejaculation without overheating and bursting into flame.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Given Nika's now 18 years old, with teenage balls filled to the brim due to erectile dysfunction, I wanna know if Ocean's new workstation will be able to handle rendering Nika's first ejaculation without overheating and bursting into flame.

The flood of white craft glue will hold the workstation together, probably has fire retardant qualities seeing it's cooling Nika's libido