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Search would probably be faster. It's a combination of re-works, gym sagas, taxes, steam, perfectionist attitudes, workstations, and whatever else there is I can't think of off the top of my head.then throw some wisdom my way
Its been remastered and reworked a few times, bout due for another sometime this year.
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Some stuff. Some cinematics were removed because the music license company changed the terms. Other devs are now getting hit with this also. That is probably why Ocean's done things like changed the logos of consumer items (to prevent lawsuits). The thing is that what is on steam IS the official version. There's isn't un "unedited" one. The steam version is the canon version. There's no jacuzzi semi lewd in season 1, so the (assumed) lewd preview with Nami and Nika from season 2 replaces that. I'm sure it'll be hotter than the original that was cut.
People who answer with one sentence have either had to answer too many times or are too cynical, and you'll get some flavour of their biases. My potted response:
- SG's script was given to another dev, Regium to develop, Regium pulled out between Ch1 and 2, with Ocean taking the game back.
- around Ch3, Ocean discovered much better models and processes, so started reworking WiaB, but realising it looked shit going from old to new, so started reworking SG from the start, while continuing the story.
- WiaB was rebooted. It had already reach ch6, but now we're waiting on ch4 of the new version.
- there are over 12000 static renders in SG. Not every full game gets that many. There is a lot to read to know the story. It is long, and takes a while to play because there is so much character development (season 1 is about stablishing who the cast of the game is).
- Around the time Ocean was going to steam, he finished the rework, which removed any legacy renders.
- the rework was extended to tame the game down from 18+ to 16 for steam, so Germans could get it on steam. That didn't work though, but Ocean has only returned the parts that made sense to him with his plans for season 2.
There's other things such as getting hardwares, almost losing files etc.
Since Steam's May release, Ocean's been working on Season 2 Ch1 (there was a little done earlier, but I suspect he redid some of those renders). When Ch1 of season 2 is out, it'll be half to 2/3 of the entire size of season 1, so there's a lot of game. This is too ambitious, but Ocean's making good progress if we believe the devlogs.
If you want to see the devlogs, there's a link in the OP that has a list of the season 2 devlogs so you can read for yourself.
I'm out of reactions, but damn, that's good.
Pretty much 1 update per 1.5 year + wasting development time of new content with constant bullshit reworks of past updates and scenes + wasting even more time updating his workstation which of course something goes wrong along the way and so on...
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I have no idea why the guy in the comments above is lying about one update every 1.5 years, but anyone can find the table in the off-topic thread and check it for themselves. Chapter 5 took the longest time to develop, taking 14 months. But if you take into account that this is the time from the previous Full Release (not Beta) to the current Full Release, and let me remind you that between the CH5Beta and CH5Full there was a Steam release and 2000+ reworked renders from Chapter 1 you can get the idea why it took so long. The shortest time was Chapter 3.5, 6 months. In total, 6 updates in 60 months, that is, on average, one update every 10 months.
Copied that table here for you.
Copied that table here for you.
| Chapters | Renders | Cinematics | Beta Release | Final Release | Development Time |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| S1 Ch 1 | 660 | 3 | - | 8 May 2019 | 000 Days |
| S1 Ch 2 | 2545 | 1 | 31 Dec 2019 | 11 Jan 2020 | 237 Days + 11 Days (8 months, 3 days) |
| S1 Ch 3 + RW | 1655 | 2 | 02 Jan 2021 | 23 Jan 2021 | 357 Days + 21 Days (12 months, 12 days) |
| S1 Ch 3.5 + RW | 1237 | 2 | 30 July 2021 | 20 Aug 2021 | 188 Days + 21 Days (6 months, 28 days) |
| S1 Ch 4 + RW | 2274 | 5 | 31 May 2022 | 24 July 2022 | 284 Days + 54 Days (11 months, 4 days) |
| S1 Ch 4.5 + RW | 1488 | 5 | 25 Nov 2022 | 9 Mar 2023 | 124 Days + 104 Days (7 months, 13 days) |
| S1 Ch 5 + RW | 2220 | 3 | 25 Oct 2023 | 10 May 2024 | 230 Days + 198 Days (14 months, 1 day) |
| Season 1 End | 12079 | 21 | - | - | 1829 Days (5 years/60 months, 2 days) |
| S2 Ch 1 | - | - | In Development |
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Hey mate, I have noticed that you have put on the effort to create a compilation of the devlogs for both games. But you have mentioned, that there are some pasrts missing, renders or similar. I'm way to lazy to search every part of it for missing stuff, you should know the best what's lacking.
Just DM with the stuf you are missing and I try to provide you with that stuff. WIAB dev logs go back till 15.01.2021 and SG dev logs until 26.01.2021
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Sorry, but I disagree with you. After BAD was released on Steam, DPC's Patreon gained about 5,000 people in a year and their number was constantly growing. After SG was released on Steam, there was a small influx of people on Patreon, but despite this, their number is gradually decreasing. Patreon fans made calculations according to which their number should have grown to 3,000-6,000 after the game was released on Steam, but these calculations were before the scandal.
You know, I really don't like this whole situation with SG, but I understand that I or you or anyone else can't change it. The only person who can change it is Ocean. But he always treated his Patreons like shit, but he kisses the ass of the record company and adapts to it. He doesn't understand that the main people here are from Patreon, because they give him money and he needs to please them. And if Ocean promises them something, then he must keep his word and fulfill his promise. But if he is a loser, whose word is worth nothing, then it is better not to promise anything, so as not to disappoint people. If Ocean does not understand this and continues to shit on his Patreons, then he will go down in VN history as a developer who, through his stupidity, destroyed a very promising game.
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I get that and I'm not disagreeing with you. The game could be doing much better if Ocean made different decisions. But that's not just Ocean. There are tons of devs who screw themselves over for one reason or another. Take SirD for example. You don't think he and Alorth could be swimming in cash if only he could be arsed to put in some work in their game?
My point was merely that Ocean is doing great despite not putting out an update for either game in quite a while. With 1k+ subs on Patreon and the Steam sales he surely isn't struggling financially. Therefore there is no incentive for him to put out an update any earlier that he wants to.
People should design their own games. This would address everyone's issues.
I say the main issue with Ocean is that he doing to major long AVN projects at the same time. Because of this, his time is split and he can't put as much time as needed on each project. That is the reason why the time frame between releases feel so long. If he was to focus on 1 project like SG than he can move faster on each update. I also think that the lack of lewd scenes in SG is finally beginning to catch up to it. We're about to enter S2 and there still no signs of a lewd scene. That may change when the new episode drops but the we still don't know. Ocean losing patreon subs slowly is a warning sign that something is wrong and their needs to be a change especially since S1 was released on steam as well in May of last year.
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The first thing you say works against SG. By taking SG alone after the departure of Regium, WIAB was making more money and was much more advanced. If he had followed the advice, there would be no SG today, and the complaint would be “why didn't he continue with SG?
About the second thing, maybe I would have thought that with the release of chapter 3.... but it was so long ago and there was a rework and more chapters and SG continued to grow in economic support, it could be more popular? yes, but that does not take away the fact that this chosen path made their product quite successful.
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Unfortunately, you are right, Ocean is happy with the little he gets from 1000 Patreons. We have no choice but to sit and wait for the result, whatever it may be. The only good thing is that we don't have to wait long and in the next update we will see which way Ocean decided to go.
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You saved me from being longwinded about it. Exactly this. Also, because WiaB exists, SG doesn't have to explain the backstory, people can find out, Ocean doesn't need to waste half the story narrative telling the past, outlining relations and connections. Ocean shows Emilio in WiaB, suddenly we know what allegiances Emilio might have. Noji mentions Scarlet, she don't need to go into exposition on who Scarlet is. Katie appears, and there is so little explanation of the Zanes, just Willi's proclivities. It also allows an incredibly detailed backstory.
I still think of the two as parallel timelines in the one story, alternating chapters of the same book (like Steve Erikson does) giving alternating perspectives that build up to a conclusion.
It just takes longer, but I personally think it'll be worth it.
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This is what we will never agree on, I don't see them as a single story, but I'm just an old dreamer.
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but he has to spend time developing a second game to along with the other one. what you said would apply if one game was previously finished but it's not. he has to develop two games and the players have to play both of them simultaneously.