VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Krytax123]

I have big doubts about this. Being a full sub somehow does not fit at all with the personality of the MC, at least the way he is depicted throughout the entire first season.

He seems to enjoy "pulling the girls' nipples" and watching their reactions. Almost all conflict situations that happened to him were, to some degree, provoked by himself.
He either pushes people to manipulate them or asserts dominance, or help people he cares for (at least he thinks so)

He tells Nami that he is just as competitive as Zara, but most of the time he just doesn't care.
He tells Amber a lot about his assertive and aggressive side.
He acts dominant and aggressive quite often. When he encounters Vic's gentle and soft nature, he is almost afraid that he might hurt her and ghosts her for a while.

This is all totaly doesn't click with the complete sub role; he would rather fight with Vanessa and turn her into submission than submit to her.

Im not sure if its this black an white, while everything your wrote is true and i do think that a more dominant role is way more fitting for Nika too there are some other things to consider aswell.

Imo its evident that Nika likes girls who a) arent pushovers and b) are able to fight back, its not like he's only looking for submissive doormatts. Bella, Zara and Nami kinda prove this and the biggest indicator is probably Summer, she always fought back against him and he seemed to like it.

Domination and Submission in the Bedroom are in 95% of cases some case of temporary (Role)play anyway, i dont think Nika or any LI will end up in a weird real 24/7 sub position lmao

 

[BobTheDuck]

I have big doubts about this. Being a full sub somehow does not fit at all with the personality of the MC, at least the way he is depicted throughout the entire first season.

He seems to enjoy "pulling the girls' nipples" and watching their reactions. Almost all conflict situations that happened to him were, to some degree, provoked by himself.
He either pushes people to manipulate them or asserts dominance, or help people he cares for (at least he thinks so)

He tells Nami that he is just as competitive as Zara, but most of the time he just doesn't care.
He tells Amber a lot about his assertive and aggressive side.
He acts dominant and aggressive quite often. When he encounters Vic's gentle and soft nature, he is almost afraid that he might hurt her and ghosts her for a while.

This is all totaly doesn't click with the complete sub role; he would rather fight with Vanessa and turn her into submission than submit to her.

Oh I agree. But that doesn't mean Vanessa won't try - Nika might not be into it, but she clearly is, and she's already shown she like to humiliate people. As far as I'm concerned, she is evil Maybe the romance comes after they get tired of fighting?

 

[yossa999]

Im not sure if its this black an white, while everything your wrote is true and i do think that a more dominant role is way more fitting for Nika too there are some other things to consider aswell.

Imo its evident that Nika likes girls who a) arent pushovers and b) are able to fight back, its not like he's only looking for submissive doormatts. Bella, Zara and Nami kinda prove this and the biggest indicator is probably Summer, she always fought back against him and he seemed to like it.

Domination and Submission in the Bedroom are in 95% of cases some case of temporary (Role)play anyway, i dont think Nika or any LI will end up in a weird real 24/7 sub position lmao

Nah, I don't think it's about the purely sexual aspect of dom/sub roleplay at all. As I see it, in this department the MC is as inexperienced as he is curious to discover what he likes. All of Bella's attempts to somehow offend him and make fun of his inexperience simply break down due to his complete ignorance.

And in the end, she even likes it, remember their dialogue when Claire spilled her box of toys. I get the impression that her aggressiveness rather turns the MC on, and he doesn't mind playing a bit of a passive role, he just regrets that he can't give her what she wants right now.

But with Vanessa it’s a completely different story; for her, sex is a tool to submit a man, a way to assert her dominance over a partner not only in bed, but also in life. The MC understands this very well, and Vanessa does not hide her motives at all. She makes it clear that she made Mario wear the buttplug to show him who's in charge. I doubt that Nika would agree to such kind of relationship.

 

[mostwanted8]

Oh I agree. But that doesn't mean Vanessa won't try - Nika might not be into it, but she clearly is, and she's already shown she like to humiliate people. As far as I'm concerned, she is evil Maybe the romance comes after they get tired of fighting?

I think Vanessa is gonna challenge Nika a lot mentally to prove his worth before becoming sexually available to him, which is a dominant strategy. Remember, she kind of hates Nojiko and can influence Nami easily. She’s gonna push his buttons so I suspect some kind of love/hate dynamic is gonna develop (similarly with Nika and Bella). If he holds his own and manages to impress her I can totally see her accepting a submissive role at least in the bedroom, while still playing some kind of mind games.

 

[rudy007]

Nah, I don't think it's about the purely sexual aspect of dom/sub roleplay at all. As I see it, in this department the MC is as inexperienced as he is curious to discover what he likes. All of Bella's attempts to somehow offend him and make fun of his inexperience simply break down due to his complete ignorance.

And in the end, she even likes it, remember their dialogue when Claire spilled her box of toys. I get the impression that her aggressiveness rather turns the MC on, and he doesn't mind playing a bit of a passive role, he just regrets that he can't give her what she wants right now.

But with Vanessa it’s a completely different story; for her, sex is a tool to submit a man, a way to assert her dominance over a partner not only in bed, but also in life. The MC understands this very well, and Vanessa does not hide her motives at all. She makes it clear that she made Mario wear the buttplug to show him who's in charge. I doubt that Nika would agree to such kind of relationship.

Bella/MC dialogues are really well done. You could feel Bella's feelings boiling over at MC's ignorance...
Vanessa is just another type of woman, manipulative, highly intelligent, trying that her feelings don't take control over her actions. Trying always to get what she want... And she probably gets everything. But MC isn't one of those guys.

 

[Dessolos]

Bella/MC dialogues are really well done. You could feel Bella's feelings boiling over at MC's ignorance...

While this is true what I think what really sells Bella at least to me imo is the cinematic / animated scenes. The one the ultimately won me over being a Bella simp and having her be tied for 1st place on my LI list was this one. The scene where she sniffs the MC's jacket starts to cry and drives back to the MC crying skipping the race. You can feel so much emotion in that cinematic and how much love she has for him. This one animation feels like Ocean is telling a sub story. Which is why I stand by the animations / cinematics are the best parts of the game when it comes to the character building and showing emotion.

 

[rudy007]

While this is true what I think what really sells Bella at least to me imo is the cinematic / animated scenes. The one the ultimately won me over being a Bella simp and having her be tied for 1st place on my LI list was this one. The scene where she sniffs the MC's jacket starts to cry and drives back to the MC crying skipping the race. You can feel so much emotion in that cinematic and how much love she has for him. This one animation feels like Ocean is telling a sub story. Which is why I stand by the animations / cinematics are the best parts of the game when it comes to the character building and showing emotion.

You're right about this Bella's scene. So much emotions in such a short time. No text, her facial expressions told us everything. But... I still love more their interactions. The whole Bella's struggle to realize that she's in love with his is made really slow, more realistic.

 

[mostwanted8]

While this is true what I think what really sells Bella at least to me imo is the cinematic / animated scenes. The one the ultimately won me over being a Bella simp and having her be tied for 1st place on my LI list was this one. The scene where she sniffs the MC's jacket starts to cry and drives back to the MC crying skipping the race. You can feel so much emotion in that cinematic and how much love she has for him. This one animation feels like Ocean is telling a sub story. Which is why I stand by the animations / cinematics are the best parts of the game when it comes to the character building and showing emotion.

That’s why Bella used to be my main girl, she and Nika have objectively the best chemistry out of everyone, Nami included. Nami and him are too different and she will always feel inferior compared to Summer.
Now I’m waiting for more Sasha, there’s already great chemistry beween Nika and her, but Bella and Nika will always be canonical.

 

[rudy007]

That’s why Bella used to be my main girl, she and Nika have objectively the best chemistry out of everyone, Nami included. Nami and him are too different and she will always feel inferior compared to Summer.
Now I’m waiting for more Sasha, there’s already great chemistry beween Nika and her, but Bella and Nika will always be canonical.

Agree. We have still very, very, very long way ahead of us. So, if anybody have to visit the bathroom, now is the time...
We'll wait...
Everybody else, start to eat healthy... And drop smoking, drinking or worse things...

 

[White cat6]

You're right about this Bella's scene. So much emotions in such a short time. No text, her facial expressions told us everything. But... I still love more their interactions. The whole Bella's struggle to realize that she's in love with his is made really slow, more realistic.

Funny. Bella is manipulative to the highest degree and what you mistake for love is just Bella's manipulation to achieve her goal. Remember the haircut? Bella said it was for his comfort. In fact, Bella did not cut her hair for him, but for a girl who was once in love with this boy and now doesn’t remember him. Or at least Bella thinks so. Then it turns out Bella knows who Summer is and where she is? And it turns out that Summer is somewhere nearby and she constantly sees him?

 

[rudy007]

Funny. Bella is manipulative to the highest degree and what you mistake for love is just Bella's manipulation to achieve her goal. Remember the haircut? Bella said it was for his comfort. In fact, Bella did not cut her hair for him, but for a girl who was once in love with this boy and now doesn’t remember him. Or at least Bella thinks so. Then it turns out Bella knows who Summer is and where she is? And it turns out that Summer is somewhere nearby and she constantly sees him?

We'll see how it goes. But she's, after many of her struggles, now his... Manipulative? All girls have their own agenda... And face it, they are all at some degree manipulative... And his hair, well, Nojiko & Nami didn't like it... I didn't like it too, he looked like he had a bird nest on his head... He couldn't go to this fancy restoration with Bella, his hair were barely good enough for that fast food after...

 

[White cat6]

We'll see how it goes. But she's, after many of her struggles, now his... Manipulative? All girls have their own agenda... And face it, they are all at some degree manipulative... And his hair, well, Nojiko & Nami didn't like it... I didn't like it too, he looked like he had a bird nest on his head... He couldn't go to this fancy restoration with Bella, his hair were barely good enough for that fast food after...

You didn't understand what I wanted to say. I was not in love with Nika. She manipulates him for her own purposes. The hairstyle she gave him is the hairstyle he wore when he was in love with Summer. That's why I say that the hairstyle is not for him but for Summer, which means Bella knows who Summer is and where she is.

 

[rudy007]

You didn't understand what I wanted to say. I was not in love with Nika. She manipulates him for her own purposes. The hairstyle she gave him is the hairstyle he wore when he was in love with Summer. That's why I say that the hairstyle is not for him but for Summer, which means Bella knows who Summer is and where she is.

Agree, I didn't understand correctly, but if I remember she only drove him to Emilio, she didn't choose his hairstyle, she give Emilio free choice...

 

[BobTheDuck]

Agree, I didn't understand correctly, but if I remember she only drove him to Emilio, she didn't choose his hairstyle, she give Emilio free choice...

No, it's a bit of comedy at Emilio's, Bella had already had something in mind:

d "This haircut-"
scene m467 with dissolve
b "It's similar to the one you had when you were younger... Just wilder."
d "Did we know each other?"
scene m468 with dissolve
b "No, I looked you up and found some older pictures Nami posted."
b "I didn't.. want to give you a totally fucked up hairstyle... and did go with something you might feel comfortable with."

 

[Don Sucio]

But with Vanessa it’s a completely different story; for her, sex is a tool to submit a man, a way to assert her dominance over a partner not only in bed, but also in life. The MC understands this very well, and Vanessa does not hide her motives at all. She makes it clear that she made Mario wear the buttplug to show him who's in charge. I doubt that Nika would agree to such kind of relationship.

In a canon story i think he would´t agree, but if Ocean give us the option... Why not try it . Nah, but you are right, i doubt that Nika could be submissive with Vanessa and dominate other gilrs, i mean, in the majority of the games if you choose to be a submissive guy then you can´t be agressive with other girls, i think it would be cool change his personality and kinks depending on wich girls he is, i think that is the real manipulative behaviour, adapt and survive

Agree. We have still very, very, very long way ahead of us. So, if anybody have to visit the bathroom, now is the time...
We'll wait...
Everybody else, start to eat healthy... And drop smoking, drinking or worse things...

Maybe could be a good idea to build a spiritual retreat house and spend our lives there, all unite waiting for the final update.

 

[rudy007]

No, it's a bit of comedy at Emilio's, Bella had already had something in mind:

I forgot about it completely... It's 3 month since I played it... Yep, I'm to old for this shi... game... It's my time to start eat healthy... I go search on Google what fruit and veggies should I eat from now on... After I eat my steak to end...

 

[rudy007]

In a canon story i think he would´t agree, but if Ocean give us the option... Why not try it . Nah, but you are right, i doubt that Nika could be submissive with Vanessa and dominate other gilrs, i mean, in the majority of the games if you choose to be a submissive guy then you can´t be agressive with other girls, i think it would be cool change his personality and kinks depending on wich girls he is, i think that is the real manipulative behaviour, adapt and survive


Maybe could be a good idea to build a spiritual retreat house and spend our lives there, all unite waiting for the final update.

That's a really good idea... I just hope people doesn't get it wrong and think that's a nicer name for a mental clinic...Or a weird sect

 

[BobTheDuck]

That's a really good idea... I just hope people doesn't get it wrong and think that's a nicer name for a mental clinic...Or a weird sect

WiaB is the game with the spiritual retreat house on the beach, personally not going to stay there

 

[Don Sucio]

That's a really good idea... I just hope people doesn't get it wrong and think that's a nicer name for a mental clinic...Or a weird sect

Well, as long as we are happy...

Maybe it would be necessary to print some phamplets and explain the situation, at least for evite the authorities...

 

[Mortarion]

why steam first patreon later。

For high sales

Forcing your Patreon members to buy the game on Steam when they're already paying for it is wild

That has nothing to do with high sales, well... maybe a little, but more with the fact that steam don't allow a dev to distribute a game that is on their platform on a other place for a cheaper price that it is on steam.
Hell, what abomination of a sentence...

Steam has always to be the cheapest place - how this works with season sales on other places in beyond me.

That was also the reason why Ocean has rearranged the access of the patreon tiers for the game to match it with the steam version.