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Getting technical there… You mention one study but plenty of other studies mention “sociopaths” and “psychopaths” and their different manifestations within APD, which fit my descriptions. So both terms are perfectly viable when making a distinction.

Sociopaths do form attachments although not easily, which totally fits Bella, as you can read in the spoiler below.
At the end of the day Bella still exhibits a ton of antisocial behavior akin to “sociopathy”. Her mom who is a psychiatrist reins her in a lot and has likely done some work with her through the years.
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Also that guy from the movie looks like a psychopath.

Well, yeah. Same principle though.
I did some research to find alternative classification that are closer to what you were talking about. There's the pscyhopathy checklist that is sometimes used in criminal psychiatry. I think it can be reliable.

It ignores sociopathy. Like I said, sociopathy is just a popularized term used in different contexts. Instead, it makes a distinction between a person with antisocial personality disorder and a psychopath. A person with APD has a much higher risk of suicide than a psychopath who essentially should not have feelings of remorse and guilt. Simply put, a person with APD could be Bella and a psychopath is a typical recidivist criminal or a serial killer who also does not suffer from other disorders that can provoke a suicide attempt.

When the final version comes out and I play Bella path, I will check your theory by comparing her to the description of APD in the DSM. Or you can do it, there's not much to read.



As for Vanessa's case. I think we both made the wrong conclusions about her. Yes, she shares some traits that are very relevant in a person with antisocial personality disorder (sociopath/psychopath, whatever). But none of them are her predominant personality trait. Her core is narcissism. So instead of antisocial disorder, she may have narcissistic personality disorder. From what I've read, the problem is that they are on the same spectrum and are so similar that in practice it's sometimes difficult to determine which of these two disorders a person has.

People with antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders are tough-minded, exploitative, manipulative, egocentric, and deceptive. Vanessa has all these traits. However, narcissistic personality disorder does not always include impulsivity and aggressive. Vanessa is actually pretty bad at hiding her negative emotions, but she can control herself. When Nika makes verbal attacks towards her, she shows this angry face :mad: and then tries to cover her dissatisfied reaction behind a fake smile. She would be much more hot-tempered if she had APD. She also doesn't have any history of bad behavior in childhood or criminal behavior in adulthood, at least we don't know anything about it. Otherwise her childhood would be more like the one Leia and William had. Vanessa with APD is basically Leia minus her affection for her brother. Finally, people with APD do not crave admiration and envy and do not reflect it on others as passionately as Vanessa does.

She is obsessed with self-praise and self-love to the point where she more-likely sees it as the purpose of her life. It's the difference between being a narcissist and having a narcissistic disorder. We all know she's a narcissist, but it's one thing to have a tendency toward it, and another to have it as a major trait that interferes your daily life.

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Now her behavior becomes clearer and more consistent. "That dumbo can't talk about anything but fashion and how she used to buy this and that-" said Bella after meeting her. I thought she suspected Bella and outplayed her, but maybe she didn't, she was true self the whole time. But that doesn't mean she's less intelligent and manipulative she seemed to be before. It's just that her abilities are actually limited by her disorder.

She's probably not too emotional, as people with NPD are described here. But everyone is different, even those who have common mental illnesses, they can still be predisposed to one or another behavior. Besides, we haven't seen her under real pressure. If Nika starts acting too aggressively towards her or ignoring her new attempts to get his attention, she may experience an emotional breakdown. And if that happens, then she will take off her fake mask of coldness, and we can definitely say that she indeed suffers from NPD.

My only problem with her having NPD was that she also praises the looks of people around her. I thought it contradicted narcissistic disorder. But I was wrong and they actually do it: "They may feel that they can only be understood by, and should only associate with, other people who are special or of high status and may attribute “unique,” “perfect,” or “gifted” qualities to those with whom they associate. Their own self-esteem is enhanced (i.e., “mirrored”) by the idealized value that they assign to those with whom they associate."

Damn. I may be reading too much into it as usual, but I think what we have under the spoiler is the most accurate and detailed description of Vanessa possible. I didn't compare her to the description of antisocial personality disorder though. Think I'll do it later. But I'm almost certainly sure that she indeed has one of those two personality disorders. Most likely narcissistic. Her behavior is too odd, but consistent, and falls perfectly under each point of the description above.
 

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For me in terms of hotness ( not counting personality or character) I think I would rank them like this

Nami , Nia , Beanpole , Bella , Nadia ,Sasha , Maja, Vanessa , Mila , Victoria , Robin, Auya

The rest im forgetting or didn't feel any attraction towards like , Amber , Sonya , and the MC's mother so don't think I could rank their hotness.
 
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With the way Adriana and Sasha looked at each other when Jenna mentioned William's backshots, we can assume that Adriana is one of the mentioned cousins/sisters of Aya. The eldest, that's why we haven't seen her before in college.
PS: I just now realized that this funny-faced Jenna could theoretically be Aunt Jenny mentioned in Wiab.
 
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That's cool, more power to you. I still wish she had more "humph" so to speak, she's seriously lacking and vanilla compared to the other girls, don't you agree? I mean, every group has that kind of chill person so her presence within the game makes sense in a way, but she could still use some help. Although I don't think Ocean cares about her enough for that, or at least he hasn't. Up until now she's in the game just for that infamous bathroom scene and to be Sasha's friend. Convince me otherwise if you want.
Nah no need to convince you. I agree with your take for the most part. But the thing is we barely delved into her character. We've mostly been seeing Nami and Bella with sprinkles of Zara and Nia. Most other characters remain unexplored.

The only thing we disagree on is, however little, I've seen enough of Robin, Sasha and Maja to be REALLY interested in them. Other folks have seen enough of Zara, Nia, Sonya, Amber etc. to be interested while I've completely discarded all of them. We all like what we like.
 

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For me in terms of hotness ( not counting personality or character) I think I would rank them like this

Nami , Nia , Beanpole , Bella , Nadia ,Sasha , Maja, Vanessa , Mila , Victoria , Robin, Auya

The rest im forgetting or didn't feel any attraction towards like , Amber , Sonya , and the MC's mother so don't think I could rank their hotness.
Except for Nia, Nadia, Mila and Vic (whom I find very unattractive) I really like your list. And Eva is super underrated. The character model is really hot. I hope she can gain a few pounds and overcome her body image issues eventually.
 

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the thing i want to know the most is ...how many of this ppl are related,bcs we all know of william's escapades,and if wiab is playing like we all want ,i think maybe half of the reprt here is related or even being half brother's and sister's
 

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the thing i want to know the most is ...how many of this ppl are related,bcs we all know of william's escapades,and if wiab is playing like we all want ,i think maybe half of the reprt here is related or even being half brother's and sister's
Me too. Hetrochromia if i remember correctly is hereditary dont quote me on it. So vanessa hmmm, but if katerina is mommy hmmmm so many theories.
 

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Except for Nia, Nadia, Mila and Vic (whom I find very unattractive) I really like your list. And Eva is super underrated. The character model is really hot. I hope she can gain a few pounds and overcome her body image issues eventually.
No kidding, I said it a while back, Vic looks like she has had one too many trips at the surgeon last year.
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No kidding, I said it a while back, Vic looks like she has had one too many trips at the surgeon last year.
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Most of the new models Ocean did share this trait, which is rather distrubing. Hope Amber remains the same.
 

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No kidding, I said it a while back, Vic looks like she has had one too many trips at the surgeon last year.
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Even though games give you multiple love interest to choose from there is always a primary girl. I believe cause of the constant work on her character and the fact she is the opposite to him she is being setup to be the primary girl. Sure people can say Bella,Nami or Mila(oh baby). When him and maja talked he said he didn't believe in coincidence and Vic said she wasn't even going that way she basically felt drawn to him. Not in those exact words but you get the jest. Fate basically.
 

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Most of the new models Ocean did share this trait, which is rather distrubing. Hope Amber remains the same.
It's a whole other matter with Victoria though, her nose, lips and boobs look fake as fuck, unlike the other characters. Maybe Mila also has too that kind of plastic solid looking tits with the classic badly done unnatural fake shape, can't remember on top off my head. Even though they're supposed to be natural...
 

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With the way Adriana and Sasha looked at each other when Jenna mentioned William's backshots, we can assume that Adriana is one of the mentioned cousins/sisters of Aya. The eldest, that's why we haven't seen her before in college.
PS: I just now realized that this funny-faced Jenna could theoretically be Aunt Jenny mentioned in Wiab.
Or they're looking at each other because Jenna's being an obnoxious drunk. But there's certainly a possibility of the cousin vibe. It does seem like a family circle. I do like your theory about Jenna, I assume she's on Joe's side or Dylan's side rather than Scarlet and Helen.

Except for Nia, Nadia, Mila and Vic (whom I find very unattractive) I really like your list. And Eva is super underrated. The character model is really hot. I hope she can gain a few pounds and overcome her body image issues eventually.
One wild unsubstantiated theory I have is Eva might be the trans character - when Ocean said they weren't in the game yet, I think that was before Beanpole had appeared in the rework. That's make sense that Eva would be incredibly self conscious of her body. The argument against this is of course Ocean's fanservice to E:D, making it less likely he'd mess with a character he liked.

the thing i want to know the most is ...how many of this ppl are related,bcs we all know of william's escapades,and if wiab is playing like we all want ,i think maybe half of the reprt here is related or even being half brother's and sister's
We literally won't know for a long time, I personally believe Ocean will string the parentage along as much as possible, and just hint at things. One reason is it'll give away too much about WiaB if he confirms too much, and that'll make Wiab predictable. He needs WiaB to feel fresh and exciting with consequences that matter. If we know how it all turns out, he's lost our interest in playing WiaB.

All we know of Willi so far is that Daphne and Miru joke about him being the father of of a friends child, so he has a history of sleeping around, but all that we know confirmed so far is he's creampied Miru and Monica, with Monica being about ten years before WiaB started (so no sprogling, unless there's a reveal later on, but that would be super hard to hide from Mon's friends such as Katie). In SG the only thing we know is Jenna alledging Willi's backshots. No other info that is confirmed that I know of. Most of what we know is the implications of the old WiaB which is no longer canon, now the new version is developed.
 
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Hmmmm looks like reworked Ayua has signature earrings.
Looks like Jill's model from Being A DIK with some edits/morphs, could be wrong but eh. Nothing special.

the more I actually take a look at the various pictures, the more I actually prefer the new model and renders. Looks great!
You mean, you like her earrings.

I've been refreshing SG on Steam every single day for a couple of weeks or so now, leaving its tab there...
Ooof. Seems like some serious addiction. That's like someone waiting outside in the cold for their drug dealer or their next hit. If you're just trying to be funny, why?

The Steam Version is not the exact same as the Patreon Version, that much is clear already... even if Ocean said the changes are nothing major,

Cant believe that you will get it on Steam for 5...

Oh and of course... future updates will not be on steam until the season is complete... yeah iam not waiting for that :D

I hate censored/edited versions of a game, especially on Steam. Keep that shit out. Nothing major? people are restoring the scenes he took out (or because of the edits etc) and song changes lol. I guess that's not major for him (he got money on the brain) but it's major to the games fans.

I won't be surprised if many don't get the Steam version. They'll just get the Patreon version or for free here. Even more so if the game won't even receive updates until a season is fully completed.

Nah, I doubt he will sell this game for $5 on Steam. I bet it'll be $10-$20+ (don't forget the tax, game prices aren't never just a flat straight price) let's also see if he brings some DLC with it, cause you know, AVN Devs love their cash grab DLCS (especially for the idiots/sheep/whales that ask for it)
 

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Me too. Hetrochromia if i remember correctly is hereditary dont quote me on it. So vanessa hmmm, but if katerina is mommy hmmmm so many theories.
Albinism can manifest itself in different ways. This is heterochromia (William, Vanessa), this is white hair and sensitive skin (Sasha), this is severe sensitivity to the sun (Aziz), this is possible for Nami (gray-blue eyes and ..... suddenly those with white hair at birth can still mutate into dark red hair with freckles)
 
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I hate censored/edited versions of a game, especially on Steam. Keep that shit out. Nothing major? people are restoring the scenes he took out (or because of the edits etc) and song changes lol. I guess that's not major for him (he got money on the brain) but it's major to the games fans.

I won't be surprised if many don't get the Steam version. They'll just get the Patreon version or for free here. Even more so if the game won't even receive updates until a season is fully completed.

Nah, I doubt he will sell this game for $5 on Steam. I bet it'll be $10-$20+ (don't forget the tax, game prices aren't never just a flat straight price) let's also see if he brings some DLC with it, cause you know, AVN Devs love their cash grab DLCS (especially for the idiots/sheep/whales that ask for it)
Yeah I think the only people that won't get it on steam or the ones that hate the edits / censorship , they barley or dont use steam so it isn't convenient for them like it is for me. I saw a post saying once saying the price is gonna be $15 and so yeah no $5 game. But I rarely see any AVN's close to $5 on steam unless it's on sale, the standard I see is 10 or 15 , which I think is fair.
 
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No kidding, I said it a while back, Vic looks like she has had one too many trips at the surgeon last year.
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YES!!! This drives me up a wall! I can't be the only one noticing how she got massive tit implants during her stay at the hospital after the accident. It's like she woke up, learned she couldn't walk and thought:

"Hey since I can no longer walk might as well get some huge knockers now that I don't have to worry about their weight fucking up my spine and shit. I'll be sitting down in a wheelchair anyways."

It's insane. Look at her renders prior to the accident in CH1. Is she walking around with a corset or bandages squeezing her tits? No chance she could hide those awful things. I'm gonna go as far as saying that second render of Vic topless is the worst in the entire game if you exclude all of those from Nami's (vomit inducing) bathroom scene.
 

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Me too. Hetrochromia if i remember correctly is hereditary dont quote me on it. So vanessa hmmm, but if katerina is mommy hmmmm so many theories.
Well, Helen and Scarlet are sisters, so Kat would share some of the same X chromosomes as Leia.

Looks like Jill's model from Being A DIK with some edits/morphs, could be wrong but eh. Nothing special.



You mean, you like her earrings.



Ooof. Seems like some serious addiction. That's like someone waiting outside in the cold for their drug dealer or their next hit. If you're just trying to be funny, why?




I hate censored/edited versions of a game, especially on Steam. Keep that shit out. Nothing major? people are restoring the scenes he took out (or because of the edits etc) and song changes lol. I guess that's not major for him (he got money on the brain) but it's major to the games fans.

I won't be surprised if many don't get the Steam version. They'll just get the Patreon version or for free here. Even more so if the game won't even receive updates until a season is fully completed.

Nah, I doubt he will sell this game for $5 on Steam. I bet it'll be $10-$20+ (don't forget the tax, game prices aren't never just a flat straight price) let's also see if he brings some DLC with it, cause you know, AVN Devs love their cash grab DLCS (especially for the idiots/sheep/whales that ask for it)
Oh I didn't mean special hand made earrings, just like Leia's earring aren't unique in the DAZ world of AVNs. What I meant is that like Leia had signature style and the earrings becam synonymous with her, maybe Ocean's done the same with Ayua? I couldn't care less about the earring - I'm far more concerned about her steampunk butler look... I didn't think it was that kind of game. Better a look if she played in a western tabletop with Nadia :sneaky:

So few models in DAZ world are unique, it's just how they're used, combined and rendered.

Also, I don't think there's a separate patreon/steam version. It's the same build as far as I know, Ocean's changed those scenes for everyone. And I also saw $15 mentioned via discord I think.
 

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YES!!! This drives me up a wall! I can't be the only one noticing how she got massive tit implants during her stay at the hospital after the accident. It's like she woke up, learned she couldn't walk and thought:

"Hey since I can no longer walk might as well get some huge knockers now that I don't have to worry about their weight fucking up my spine and shit. I'll be sitting down in a wheelchair anyways."

It's insane. Look at her renders prior to the accident in CH1. Is she walking around with a corset or bandages squeezing her tits? No chance she could hide those awful things. I'm gonna go as far as saying that second render of Vic topless is the worst in the entire game if you exclude all of those from Nami's (vomit inducing) bathroom scene.
haha I would of never noticed if I didn't read this post. I dont pay alot of attention to the characters appearance while I play these games. I'm more focused on the dialogue rather then the render. but yeah those tits don't just look fake but super fake, which explains why I think Mila is more attractive than her lol. I think I played a game where a LI has a bimbo path and gets fake tits and all of that and they look more real / less fake than Victoria's. Good thing appearance doesn't matter to much to me and I like Victoria for her character and how much of a sweetheart she is not my favorite character but still in my top 5 or so for this game.
 

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No she's not the primary girl... Bella is, so much that we can say Ocean has a clear favoritism for her. Not like it's a bad thing, she's a great LI and I like her and Nika's love story a lot, but essentially the game right now is "Nika and Bella".
In fact I believe he made a poor job with Victoria, he wanted a bigger role for her at the start but couldn't deliver. Her story is supposed to be very sad and it is at times, while at other times it seems forced, like he doesn't exactly know where to go with her or how to use her effectively.
Admittedly kinda bias especially when you turn her down for a date a second time and she cries in your arms. Only nami has shown a true emotion for the MC when she cried after MC revealed kissed Bella.
 
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No kidding, I said it a while back, Vic looks like she has had one too many trips at the surgeon last year.

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YES!!! This drives me up a wall! I can't be the only one noticing how she got massive tit implants during her stay at the hospital after the accident. It's like she woke up, learned she couldn't walk and thought:



"Hey since I can no longer walk might as well get some huge knockers now that I don't have to worry about their weight fucking up my spine and shit. I'll be sitting down in a wheelchair anyways."



It's insane. Look at her renders prior to the accident in CH1. Is she walking around with a corset or bandages squeezing her tits? No chance she could hide those awful things. I'm gonna go as far as saying that second render of Vic topless is the worst in the entire game if you exclude all of those from Nami's (vomit inducing) bathroom scene.
You both can throw tomatoes at me, but I find the current Vic more natural than before.
Though it's only about her face, not her body.
Nami's (vomit inducing) bathroom scene.
Lol. I really don't like cinematics in this game, except for the first two with Summer and Vic.
Nami's bathroom is the worst because it was cringe.
The second worst is with Vanessa in the bedroom.
She tells him to turn away... disturbing music starts playing... Nika wonders what her intentions are... Very tense moment.
And then this cinematic with very misplaced music kicks in and it breaks the whole mood.
I was like "wtf, why???"
I believe cause of the constant work on her character and the fact she is the opposite to him she is being setup to be the primary girl. Sure people can say Bella,Nami or Mila(oh baby). When him and maja talked he said he didn't believe in coincidence and Vic said she wasn't even going that way she basically felt drawn to him. Not in those exact words but you get the jest. Fate basically.
I found her very special. She's the first LI to appear in the game and the one who triggers the MC to start fixing his life. And I like her path because it's written in such way that gives you freedom for imagination. Does Nika really have romantic feelings for her or he agreed to dating her because of guilt. And if it's the second, maybe it will develop into something real. Very romantic path.

The scene at the physiotherapist is amazing.

My third favorite LI after Vanessa and Zara.
No she's not the primary girl... Bella is, so much that we can say Ocean has a clear favoritism for her. Not like it's a bad thing, she's a great LI and I like her and Nika's love story a lot, but essentially the game right now is "Nika and Bella".

In fact I believe he made a poor job with Victoria, he wanted a bigger role for her at the start but couldn't deliver. Her story is supposed to be very sad and it is at times, while at other times it seems forced, like he doesn't exactly know where to go with her or how to use her effectively.
*sigh* It was only the first season. There are at least 25 more chapters ahead.
Before chapter 4, hardly anyone thought that Zara would have so much screen time and development.
 
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