VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Deleted member 6168082]

For those who want incest

Yeah, if they want to get killed, beat or locked up....

The people who are beasting for incest in every game are like the people who want VR/Co-op in everything.

Incest in this game? meh, it works better in actual incest games. You want pure incest, go find another game.

 

[Don Sucio]

Incest in this game? meh, it works better in actual incest games. You want pure incest, go find another game.

Or just install the incest patch

 

[BobTheDuck]

Or just install the incest patch

Actually there's as much incest in the patch as in Star Wars. The patch only changes the relationships, but there's no lewds ...so no incest. The only fetish that doesn't get blueballed is hand holding

 

[Mortarion]

The patch is unofficial, and goes against the terms of Ocean's EULA for steam at least.

Now that I see you mentioning the EULA again, There was something that I wanted to ad in my last post about the EULA stuff to you:

I think you attach too much importance to this modding stuff.

You should know, that the EULA, visible on steam, comes not from Ocean himself, but from Valve and Ocean has to put it in place. I think the prohibition of modding the game files comes from the multiplayer background steam has - in short: cheating. Cheating is nothing more than tinkering/modification/messing up of game files.

I am going to correct you, the patch does not appear a few days later... it appears just with the release of the update.

Or like in the last update, 8 hours before the official release on patreon, and no beta testers involved to tinker a patch together ready for release ...

 

[Mortarion]

The only fetish that doesn't get blueballed is hand holding

And as well known:

This is the nastiest kind of fetish par excellence!

 

[wizardcock]

guys, do you think everything will be okay with summer's gone patreon?

 

[Mortarion]

guys, do you think everything will be okay with summer's gone patreon?

Why should it not? Till now, there is nothing patreon could complain about. No lewd contend, just a couple of semi naked boobs and asses.

How this will work out with H contend in season 2 will be a different story.

 

[sorco2003]

Now that I see you mentioning the EULA again, There was something that I wanted to ad in my last post about the EULA stuff to you:

I think you attach too much importance to this modding stuff.

You should know, that the EULA, visible on steam, comes not from Ocean himself, but from Valve and Ocean has to put it in place. I think the prohibition of modding the game files comes from the multiplayer background steam has - in short: cheating. Cheating is nothing more than tinkering/modification/messing up of game files.





Or like in the last update, 8 hours before the official release on patreon, and no beta testers involved to tinker a patch together ready for release ...

I think Bob uses the catchphrase as a joke, as I do when I answer to those who ask and are new if the patch is necessary.... "the game according to its creator is made to be played as is without the need for any patch that violates patreon's ToS".

 

[thealjey]

welp, this was interesting while it lasted

I couldn't even get past the main menu
mouse clicks on anything do not work, the mouse drags the screen, as if it were a mobile device, instead

unfortunately, I'm not intimately familiar with renpy, evidently, to fix it myself

renpy.variant("touch")
returns False

 

[BobTheDuck]

Now that I see you mentioning the EULA again, There was something that I wanted to ad in my last post about the EULA stuff to you:

I think you attach too much importance to this modding stuff.

You should know, that the EULA, visible on steam, comes not from Ocean himself, but from Valve and Ocean has to put it in place. I think the prohibition of modding the game files comes from the multiplayer background steam has - in short: cheating. Cheating is nothing more than tinkering/modification/messing up of game files.





Or like in the last update, 8 hours before the official release on patreon, and no beta testers involved to tinker a patch together ready for release ...

Have you read the EULA? It's a third party EULA, which means it's not steam's. It's clearly written for Ocean's terms, especially the fan art section. You already have agreed to steam's EULA by using the store. Some games require agreements with the developer as well as with steam, this is one of them.

I can't imagine steam actually care about the terms of fan art, or about the fair use of any suggestions, such as is covered in the document. I also have maybe two or three games which require a third party license - most just accept the generalised one you've agreed to by playing on steam.

I think Bob uses the catchphrase as a joke, as I do when I answer to those who ask and are new if the patch is necessary.... "the game according to its creator is made to be played as is without the need for any patch that violates patreon's ToS".

I know I'm being pedantic, but go to SG's steam page and read it. Very few store pages have one.

 

[Don Sucio]

Actually there's as much incest in the patch as in Star Wars. The patch only changes the relationships, but there's no lewds ...so no incest. The only fetish that doesn't get blueballed is hand holding

True, but for me is enough, it breaks the inmersion when they refer themself as roomates if you want to think that they are siblings. The real "incest" will arrive when they do more sexual things.

Or like in the last update, 8 hours before the official release on patreon, and no beta testers involved to tinker a patch together ready for release ...

Shit, really? How is that even possible.

guys, do you think everything will be okay with summer's gone patreon?

Yes, problems surely will come in season 2.

 

[sorco2003]

Have you read the EULA? It's a third party EULA, which means it's not steam's. It's clearly written for Ocean's terms, especially the fan art section. You already have agreed to steam's EULA by using the store. Some games require agreements with the developer as well as with steam, this is one of them.

I can't imagine steam actually care about the terms of fan art, or about the fair use of any suggestions, such as is covered in the document. I also have maybe two or three games which require a third party license - most just accept the generalised one you've agreed to by playing on steam.



I know I'm being pedantic, but go to SG's steam page and read it. Very few store pages have one.

So it's not a joke? ahhhhh okey
I don´t care about Eula... i just move on

 

[BobTheDuck]

So it's not a joke? ahhhhh okey
I don´t care about Eula... i just move on

Sure, I'll just click yes when the time comes, but the point is most indie games don't have one on their store pages.

 

[RNasc4444]

I'll say it again. He aways (up to this year) admitted the other story was an incest story. He always denied this one was. Makes no sense to deny it if he perfectly happy to admit the other one was.

Just take the stick outta ya ass and accept the truth. As for the where/why/wherefore, Olivia above sums it up perfectly. it's still not acceptable by modern societal standards (for the majorty of people) because they grew up together as siblings. The fact they are not is irreleveant. Just like it would still cause a societal scandal if I started screwing my 21yo step-niece.

We've already tackled this issue. I respect your opinion but disagree with it. You are taking Ocean at his word while I wholeheartedly believe he is trying to protect his "moneymaker". You know better than me which game makes him the big money. Which game he isn't willing to risk being banned on any platform.

That said I stand by my statement. There is absolutely no chance the first season makes any kind of sense if the MC and Nami aren't blood related. If he wants to change that, massive script changes will be needed in the future. And it's not like I hold Ocean in any kind of high regard when it comes to writing. I actually think that's the worst part of his games. That and his creative choices. At least his business choices do make sense to me as much as I might disagree with them.

As for the second part I kinda wonder where you people live. Because I've never been to or seen any country that has any issue with romantic/sexual bonds between foster kids with no parental relation. The taboo I'm aware of comes from relationships between close or distant relatives.

EDIT: "Why is she red?" The 4 pesky little words that defeat any argument that tries to claim they aren't blood related. If they were 2 random foster kids adopted from different parents THERE IS NO REASON WHY ANYONE WOULD ASK THAT! And if asked THERE IS NO REASON WHY THE MC WOULD ANSWER "I dont know". Any dimwit with a quarter of a brain would reply something like "Different parents" or "We're not actually related". The MC goes with "I don't know". So either the dialogue is logical and they are genetically related or the damn script just makes no goddamn sense. It's one or the other folks!

 

[alanrock]

Sigh ... "Coming soon" takes forever on Steam.

 

[Don Sucio]

Sigh ... "Coming soon" takes forever on Steam.

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I understand you

 

[Hahn1900]

guys, do you think everything will be okay with summer's gone patreon?

For now? No Problems for SG at Patreon... in the future? Well... thats a different case.

So, if you are on discord or take a look at his Subscribestar Page, you will notice that more and more of his supporters are moving to subscribestar. The takedown of WiaB was the reason behind the moving for most of them.

Subscribestar is not an option for me so far... i dont do credit cards. Maybe there will be another payment option in the future, but i dont think they will go with paypal anytime soon, paypal takes a somewhat closer look, maybe too close for Subscribestar cause they dont really follow any "real" rules for what you can setup there. Practically, if its not complete illegal, anything goes. Thats not something paypal is fine with.

In Discord the "credit card" issue is a topic too, many want to support ocean, but not via credit card, but at the same time many dont want the steam edition either cause it will be slightly different. So yeah... Ocean is kinda in a predicament here...

The loss of WiaB on Patreon ist not that huge, he got about 1/3 of the support there in comparsion to summers gone... and some of those already went for Subscribestar, so... it might hurt his business, but not that hard. So he can continue like he wants to, will be able to upgrade his working station too despite that.

As for now, he cant afford to lose the SG Patreon, its his major income and barely enough to keep everything running.

During season 2 it might happen that he walks a very thin line... if something lewd will happen between Nami and MC, Patreon might take actions. And the "i-patch" is reason enough for them. So it is very important that the steam/gog/epic release will be a success and that the subscribestar page get enough subs to keep everything a float so he doesnt need Patreon anymore, i guess thats the goal for now... to get everything running without to worry for patreon anymore. He is on a way for that, but not nearly there yet.

 

[Mortarion]

Have you read the EULA?

Yes, in both available languages.

It's a third party EULA, which means it's not steam's

It was handed out to Ocean, why I got this assumption will I show at the end of the post.

It's clearly written for Ocean's terms, especially the fan art section.

Fan art is some kind "advertisement" if we want to call it so. Ocean can only benefit from fan art of SG, as long the artist makes no profit with it.
And allowing it in the Eula is a benefit that prevents going after the artist with a lawyer.

Are you familiar with Warhammer 40000 and have followed the scene in the last years on YouTube? If yes, then you should know that Games Workshop was on a merciless crusade against all creators that have done fan art machimas. Partly solo artist that have done a way better job with after work commitment than Games Workshop with a million $ budget. The ones that have agreed to comply had the chance to get a job as artis at GW and the one who have refused where DMCAed into oblivion. It has a reason why the most fan movies are not longer watchable on YouTube on the orginal channels but as 2nd or 3rd upload from some fans.


So, now to the reason why I believe that the EULA was handed of from Ocean. I hope you are familiar with German, because the following screen shot of a discord conversation between me and Ocean is in german.
The first sentence from Ocean contains the reason:

 

[Don Sucio]

During season 2 it might happen that he walks a very thin line... if something lewd will happen between Nami and MC, Patreon might take actions. And the "i-patch" is reason enough for them. So it is very important that the steam/gog/epic release will be a success and that the subscribestar page get enough subs to keep everything a float so he doesnt need Patreon anymore, i guess thats the goal for now... to get everything running without to worry for patreon anymore. He is on a way for that, but not nearly there yet.

I have never understood that, the i-patch is not official, i mean, Ocean is not making that path so why would Patreon bother with this?

 

[Mortarion]

[...] i dont do credit cards. [...]

I don't know where are your from, and if Debit Cards are a thing in you country?

I not own a credit card either, but support Ocean via Subscribe Star and my Debit Card handed out by my bank. Till know this works fine.

I have never understood that, the i-patch is not official, i mean, Ocean is not making that path so why would Patreon bother with this?

Take a look and one of my latest posts here in this thread, there is the reasoning why even Itch.io or even this site can be dangerous for a dev.