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Indra is a strong son of a bitch
But that's okay, I'm still going to kick his ass
Bastard killed Mc's mother, I'm going to finish him off
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But that's okay, I'm still going to kick his ass
Bastard killed Mc's mother, I'm going to finish him off
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C'mon it's obvious who he absorbed, those were literally closest to him c'mon.
The Origin did not try to kill Lexi as his ultimate goal was getting to Goliath and ultimately Ella, and the fact that he managed to out her off the fight in mere seconds is a huge feat, he didn't bother figuring out how her powers work or how to effectively kill her as his main goal was getting her out of his way, which he did in three moves.
Secondly....oh yeah Tanos was visiting the Rebis, shit I missed that fck.
But thirdly, where the hell are you getting your info regarding Deus his powers were never explained.
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I swear I keep being gaslight. Valvaran is talking about the lords/outer gods themselves. Not the Apostles. Valvaran specifically states that his lord is keeping other avatars at bay with his own. Hes talking about the other gods avatars being kept at bay by his lords own avatar. Not the apostles. He also says that his own lord can't manifest because val got sneak attacked during a ritual. All of the gods want to manifest. Y'all taking the hype around the outer gods and applying it to the Apostles themselves.
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Eh a near dead Syla could permanently effect Indras memories the moment she conquered her fears for an instant. She could probably just make Indra forget about the weapon.
Well Syla is very strong, I doubt any lvl 5s outside of the big 3 can beat her in the immaterial world, it's just Indra is something else
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I'm like 80% sure Henri would be able to go to toe with most of the gods themselves. You're gonna have to send me the quote of the Henri like figure thing cause the seahumans seemed to be way more into tech then superhumanism.
Like I'm pretty sure they gave a strong gun to a prince like figure and that was considered a big deal.
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Apostle literally mean "one sent on a mission". Doesn't make much sense for actual deities, does make sense for their chosen.
And it doesn't even matter, literally all of the original responders clearly was going off of "Indra and co are apostles"
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No, it's not obvious lol. The only one next to MC was Monster Deryl in the cavern. You forgot that MC was fighting him in an entirely different section of the cave. You just can't assume he did something when it isn't obvious. I mean, you in particular can, but I won't. And I'm pretty sure he tried to attack Lexi and she dodged before he could. It doesn't matter if he wasn't trying to kill her. The point was that she turned his power back on to him. How is him slapping her across the dimension a huge feat? Goliath punch sent her flying too when he killed the Himavat. It's not like Lexi died from the hit, as well lol.
The irony here is crazy since you're the one that said he went back in time to erase him from existence. My point was that it didn't matter if he went back in time or to the immaterial world. What Deus did was severed his connection to the material world, just like Bernhardt did, because the Origin doesn't die. He goes back to his plane of existence until he's ready to try again. This being confirmed in the Bernhardt dead end itself. Since he's aware that Deus stopped him previously.
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Since we talking about Deus too, given that we see him during Syla's dream world arc as the one connecting with the 5th (time), it is safe to assume he went back in time to destroy the Eye.
Changing the topic here a bit regarding power levels, I know Kira and Elijah made it look like lvl 5s can't compete vs the Chosen, but idk, I think the founders of HERO AKA all the captains that were once under Bernie's team can fight the Chosen IMO. Wasn't Ella a Chosen by the Battle of the Diamonds? And we all saw how Nyx one shots her (debatable if this was something Ella wanted or not). Like the only Chosen that looks scary is Indra, we shall see if lvl 5 Zack can do something vs him (fk sake WW why didn't u show us this fight).
Yeah, maybe, I kinda expected more from her but it is as you said, Indra could've ended that fight from the beginning and since we're talking about biggest Ls, it doesn't get more embarrasing than going all out on someone and doing jackshit to them in the end.
Changing the topic here a bit regarding power levels, I know Kira and Elijah made it look like lvl 5s can't compete vs the Chosen, but idk, I think the founders of HERO AKA all the captains that were once under Bernie's team can fight the Chosen IMO. Wasn't Ella a Chosen by the Battle of the Diamonds? And we all saw how Nyx one shots her (debatable if this was something Ella wanted or not). Like the only Chosen that looks scary is Indra, we shall see if lvl 5 Zack can do something vs him (fk sake WW why didn't u show us this fight).
First, if you are gonna ignore the disadvantages of her weakness then it's only fair that you'd do the same with the advantages she might gain from it.
Second, the permanent memory wipe only works because Indra's mind was already severely wounded due to the gigantic psychic damage from Syla's ult, which wouldn't have even happened if he had gone all out in the first place, and even then it still took every bit of memory of her, including her own life to only partly achieve that. So good luck trying that against a full-health Indra.
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What advantage does she get?
She was also near death, and arguably in a much worse state then Indra. The outcome that happens when both of them are weakened massively would happen when both of them are at full power.
But even ignoring that, he just wouldn't be able to go all out from the start. Syla is a debuffer, not an attacker. She will just wittle the guy down by making him forget everything. You still haven't said why she wouldn't just be able to make him forget his weapon since that's the only way he would be able to beat her.
When you climb the tower in dream world ask the humanity about Henri, they would told you they haven't seen specimen like Henri since their king.
Also we saw in this update that they have tech that can analyse your monster lienage and boost your Monster power, what do you mean they more into tech then superhumanism lmao
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"What advantage does she get?"
Her mutation that allows her to use lightning to buff her power, did you even play the game?
"She was also near death, and arguably in a much worse state then Indra. The outcome that happens when both of them are weakened massively would happen when both of them are at full power."
Wrong, it was never stated her power got weakened like Indra's mind defense. In fact, it was the complete opposite due to the lightning buff.
"But even ignoring that, he just wouldn't be able to go all out from the start. Syla is a debuffer, no an attacker. She will just wittle the guy down by making him forget everything. You still haven't said why she wouldn't just be able to make him forget his weapon since that's the only way he would be able to beat her. "
First, if he had gone all out from the beginning he wouldn't have just stood there patiently waiting for her to use the debuffs like he did.
Second, we've already seen her try that and fail, there's literally a whole fight showing how Indra overcame Syla's memory power without his power much less his weapon.
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The 12 "lords" or "gods" or whatever are literally referred as apostles in the game, go argue with WW.
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This topic on the Origin, Deus and Bernhardt has ran it's course. At least for me. So I'm pretty much done with it. But, to get to your post.
I don't think Elijah and Kira performance is what makes people think the S+ Class Chosen are above the Level 5s. At least, it's not the only thing. It's the fact that they have the Apostle traits and their power is either relative to or greater than majority of the known Level 5s. That's along with having millions of years of experience conquering worlds in the monster realm. Not to mention, Xanthe was one of the very people saying that they're finished if the stronger monsters started leading their kin.
To be honest with you though, even Bernhardt, or was it Henri said they're weaker than they should be? Don't remember fully but pretty much Elijah and Kira were doomed to fail regardless. They're too weak and Eisheth has the trait advantage, for the most part. Elijah having a lower, mixed version of her powers and Kira being purely a physical type. They had no way to prevent her healing or penetrate her barrier. Plus, they're too inexperienced when it comes to fighting. At least, that's what that fight showed.
If anything, I would say it just made Elijah and Kira look like scrubs. Elijah especially. So many people had some beef with him after that fight happened in game. I don't even blame them for it as well.
Idk she's actually much more bullshit than I thought. Her fight with Indra is not a bad showing, at all. Also don't be too harsh on her, it's a battle forced on her and she ultimately still achieved her goals, partly at least, so that is a big W over the other losers.
"we all saw how Nyx one shots her (debatable if this was something Ella wanted or not)."
It was pretty clear if you read her journal(not to mention how she fought like she was intentionally throwing the fight), regardless Ella hasn't even been an SH for a decade so probably not a very good benchmark in terms of strength and experience for chosen who has an average age in the thousands, but that will likely change when she came back.
I would say the captains besides the big 3 are roughly chosen lvl, not counting Indra, Val and Glae.
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IIRC that journal piece was a patreon reward that leaked here wasn't it? Do we take those rewards as canon material as well? I felt it was a bit fan-service like but nothing really out of character from Ella if she wanted to be killed by Nyx.
And well, Ella had Glae and Val working for her, played around with Jill and Duncan, could've probably killed Nico if Malik didn't break free from the Strength eater/Undines trap. So I wouldn't sleep on Ella being able to play with the big boys of the Chosen monsters, I'd rank her high within their hierarchy despite being much, very much younger.
Well, it's still written by WW so I'd consider it canon, plus I already found the way she fought Nyx very sus even before the journal. Also getting killed by Nyx is not that bad(besides the fact that you would be dead), since you would get the most intact corpse on earth, while getting killed by Malik would mean you get nothing left(maybe that's the reason why she wanted to be killed by Nyx, the revival requires the body to be intact).
Glae only works with her because she was a fellow chosen, Ella actually has very high praise for her power in the journal. She thinks if anyone from HERO encounters her they are done, even captains.
For Val, well do I need to explain? Dude is literally a C+ class after the injury lmao(tho for someone who's supposed to be comparable to Indra losing to lvl 4 Ella and her goons is still pretty embarrassing, with or without the heart)
Don't get me wrong Ella was exceptional and likely one of if not the best among those with similar power lvl or time frame of being a SH, like she would beat most lvl5 lieutenants pretty handily 1 on 1 but there's still a big gap between that and the chosen, or SH that has been a lvl 4 for decades and had accumulated power, skills and fighting experience since.
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So I've been thinking. Here's what I think the endgame for the current arc is.
We see Michael get saved from the sky monster, we see Alice go Level 3 in order to successfully open the portal, bringing everyone to the human dimension. Everything is in chaos due to the ritual; Doll Ella scampers off at the first opportunity to awaken Big Ella and complete everything. We see Malik fighting (and likely loosing) against Algaecswif, likely with some hints and teases as our/Deryl's spawn. Bernhardt is probably on the front lines, keeping him away from the action. MC probably gets his first sighting of Indri, causing him to attack. Indri effortlessly deals with MC, likely regaining his memories. In an attempt to dominate him, Indri strikes him with electricity, which has the effect of triggering the Level 4 evolution. Indri is caught off-guard, but still outclasses MC, and eventually kills him, before moving on to other targets. MC gets revived by Nyx just as Ella finishes the ritual, thus segueing to the next arc, which depends on what happens next.
We see Michael get saved from the sky monster, we see Alice go Level 3 in order to successfully open the portal, bringing everyone to the human dimension. Everything is in chaos due to the ritual; Doll Ella scampers off at the first opportunity to awaken Big Ella and complete everything. We see Malik fighting (and likely loosing) against Algaecswif, likely with some hints and teases as our/Deryl's spawn. Bernhardt is probably on the front lines, keeping him away from the action. MC probably gets his first sighting of Indri, causing him to attack. Indri effortlessly deals with MC, likely regaining his memories. In an attempt to dominate him, Indri strikes him with electricity, which has the effect of triggering the Level 4 evolution. Indri is caught off-guard, but still outclasses MC, and eventually kills him, before moving on to other targets. MC gets revived by Nyx just as Ella finishes the ritual, thus segueing to the next arc, which depends on what happens next.