Yeah, Ella also warned the MC early on that the goal of the monsters is for superhumans to achieve their 5th evolution and then their patron would come to claim him. Though at the very least as far as we know this doesn't happen with serum 5th evolutions. So whatever happens between superhuman and patron once a superhuman hits a natural 5th evolution is unknown...though the MC having been turned directly by one of the apostles might mean he might have to fight an apostle. And that would be unthinkable...we see how powerful Indra is and he's only a chosen. The MC resisting an apostle might be very dodgy...but maybe this is what Ella considers the MC perfect for where everyone else sees him as flawed.
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But what restraint tho ? lmao you talk as if Alice suddently became a feral monster and couldn't hold it it dude, but she and the Mc just had a little banter pre sex and she bit him as a kink thing. You're exagerating.
Saying Eisheth has more restraint just because Alice ate the Mcs flesh as kink play is such a crazy exageration. These people are leagues above humanity, Mc can have 90% of his body destroyed and still regenerate, if you walk among the stalls the Mc literally rips his arm off and offers it to a meat vendor as payment like it's normal grocery shopping, to the Mc a few bites is the equivalent of a hicky to us. So don't compare Alice to Eisheth lmao c'mon now.
Eisheth is the biggest hedonistic, pleasure seeking demonette and her reputation widespread, there is no comparison. Eisheth indulges in orgies, intercourse with any monster, and consumes humans and twins in particular just for pleasure.
And I get that people have different tastes, nothing wrong with it, but it also has to be said that in a game with as many sex scenes as this one it is expected to delve into kinks which aren't for everyone.
Personaly I fear that when enough people complain about one kink being introduced the author would feel pushed into making sex scenes that are tame just to please everyone. He shouldn't. That's my two cents on the matter.
People whinning about how put off they were and wishing it weren't there should really just learn to go with the flow.
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That's what bugs me. What could Ella possibly know that apparently no other character has a clue of? And where does said knowledge even come from in the first place? It's certainly VERY obscure knowledge, otherwise characters like Aglaecwif would probably be aware of it. If the Eye is antagonistic and she knows about it, then surely her plan is for the MC to overcome it. But if that's the case, who the fuck told her that?
I know that I'm asking questions that only WW has the answers to, but I'm afraid we'll have to wait until the MC's 5th evolution to have an answer to this, and that both excites me and frustrates me a lot lol.
I'm not sure you'd need to actually defeat the apostles to separate from them, given that Henri supposedly severed the connection with the 11th and 12th after evolving straight from level 1 to 5. Just severing the connection in some way might be enough, though that might enrage them, which would lead to a fight, I guess.
And to be fair, we don't know if the big three are even the correct representation of a normal, non-serum level 5. It was said that Berny and Malik achieved theirs because they used Henri's knowledge about it, so if Henri's method was to sever the connection, the only natural level 5's we see are not even a normal natural level 5.
Also, those who took the serum are incompatible with becoming a chosen, not having a pure apostle trait. We know that Ella's the third chosen, so I don't think that being a serum level 5 ruins the vessel thing. She might not be a vessel, yet, but that might be a chosen's purpose; eventually becoming this vessel.
In fact, the natural level 5 might be more similar to a serum level 5 than the big three.
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Probably the 3rd and 4th, Ella seems to have communicated with them a lot, more than most superhumans. She was after all able to call upon them as she willed, first when turning the Mc, and then when she called the 4th in the ''Too Strong Too Soon'' ending.
Also I personaly believe in a theory someone posted here a while ago saying the 3rd and 4th want the Eye to ressurect, consume them ( or rather reform with them ), and become the Arbiter of Evolution, and Ella likely knows of this plan.
The Eye did say in each of it's bad ending he needs ''both and he needs them now'', or '' I need atleast one ''. in his first bad ending.
Ella only did a serum 5th out of desperation and she already knew that she wasn't good enough to be chosen before taking the serum. She only took it because she needed a power boost. But no, Ella with the serum 5th wasn't even remotely close to the power of the big 3.
And Henry's situation is strange...it's related to his relationship with whatever entity he's bonded with. He didn't fully accept it and it didn't manage to monsterfy him(at least not completely) but he's in constant conflict with it so he struggles to control it. He also tells the MC that as long as he is on humanity's side they will be victorious but that is a huge conditional statement and implies he might not always be on humanity's side.
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I'm inclined towards this as well, which is why I thought that maybe she was contacted by the Eye personally. But it does make more sense that it was the 3rd and 4th that let her in on the plan instead. It's also pretty likely that this was a recent change in the plans, otherwise Syla would know about it (or at least her obliviousness was part of the plan).
I didn't say Ella's close to the big three's power level... idk where you got that. Only that, as she's the third's chosen despite being an artificial level five, the vessel thing might not be reserved to natural level fives.
Well you said: " In fact, the natural level 5 might be more similar to a serum level 5 than the big three" but that is a completely nonsensical statement because the big three are the ONLY ones who achieved a natural 5th evolution...you can't separate the two...a natural 5th evolution cannot be anything like a serum 5th evolution. We are even told that there are extreme dangers to attempting a natural 5th evolution...which most likely has to do with controlling or bonding with whatever entity like the big 3 did, which is where their extreme power comes from.
What I was saying is that a normal natural level 5 might be very different to what the big three are. If a natural level 5 is to be claimed by an apostle, it makes no sense that they'd separate from them, or whatever actually happens.
Henri, a natural level 5, and possible inheritor to Paradox, is rejecting his origin. Berny and Malik, H.E.R.O's only other documentation on natural level 5s, achieved theirs in the same way.
Meanwhile, a level 5's purpose, according to Ella, is to signal to the apostles that the superhuman is "ready". This is contradictory, hence why I think that Henri, Berny, and Malik are not normal level 5s, and that since they're H.E.R.O's only example of a natural level 5's, they think this is normal.
Which, by the way, we know is false. Eisheth considered Berny to be something that shouldn't exist, so I doubt someone like that would be the result of the normal, intended evolution procedure.
Meanwhile, an artificial level 5, like Ella, is still capable of being a Chosen, so at the very least, she's likely capable of being claimed as a vessel, at least eventually.
An alternative thought that I had, is that a superhuman isn't supposed to naturally reach level 5, because they should monsterfy and become the apostle's chosen during or before that. By supressing that, you sever connection with the apostle, and become what the big three are. Meanwhile, artificial level 5's are skipping both the monsterfication and the suppression, going into an awkward stage that isn't supposed to exist.
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Well we only know the patron would try to claim a superhuman that reaches a natural 5th evolution...but that might be the danger of it and why there are only 3 who survived it. We were warned that attempting is dangerous. But serum 5th evolutions are probably not true evolutions or at least not good enough for the monster patrons as serum 5ths are safe...monsters don't care about them. Which likely has to do with serum 5th evolutions being far weaker than natural 5ths.
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Exactly!! This has been a year long exopsiton dump and I'm not happy. The expositon with his mom while he was in Shey's world took an insane amount of time, we get out and are completely blue balled when it was supposed to be a fight with Cole and it turns out no evoluton and no resolution with cole. We are then shot into the monster world where we again get everyone else getting their own story lines that we don't actually play. And I've say here and taken it one update after update and the MC doesn't do anything. The best part was when you had to pay the dump in Power for the parts, now that was the slap in the face knowing or in this case not knowing when the evolution would happen and how much power we would need.
I am not in anyway shape or form staying that the story is bad. I'm not really sick of becoming a after thought of the game I'm playing. The MC is us and spending this insane amount of time where he is not the best of his pack isn't worth the insane amount of exposition that isn't paid off off except to my pals is inane. Pleast I beg of you, to start cleaning up all the story lines that literally go way way back in time.
I am not in anyway shape or form staying that the story is bad. I'm not really sick of becoming a after thought of the game I'm playing. The MC is us and spending this insane amount of time where he is not the best of his pack isn't worth the insane amount of exposition that isn't paid off off except to my pals is inane. Pleast I beg of you, to start cleaning up all the story lines that literally go way way back in time.
Truth is just controlling things, so that's simple. Each of them controls a certain aspect, being fire and air.
Fantasy is a little more contrived, but maybe, together with truth, it makes their control over their thing conceptual rather than literal. It is a stretch, but it would explain how Berny could condense air to the point "the laws that govern all things break down".
Alternatively, the combination could allow him to do that because it makes truth and fantasy create Paradox, which might make their abilities capable of causing paradoxes and impossibilities (like condensing air to the point of planck pressure), though that should be possible for any superhuman at the fourth level and above, that possesses enough power.
Ether/space and power give their power their natures. Air, as an element, is often associated with space and travel, while fire is often associated with power and energy.
Remind me, is the MC's 3rd evolution "natural" or not, since he evolved thanks to monster Daryl's blood and body parts?
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You get that regardless when you reach a certain point, Ella's power went from changing shape as a power to changing as an idea, in a straight power match she should have been fried instantly by Malak so she instead makes herself unchangeable, a thematic use of changing.
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Your comment makes a point about how they may have fantasy and truth for it, I'm just clarifying that they where never needed at all for that.
Most likely, the basis for all the true evolutions seem to be being at the top of your current evolution and being pushed further in some way, either through trauma, pushing your powers, fighting the influence of monster blood, or simply surviving. The MC didn't simply get blood and evolve, he had to struggle against it.
This is all just fan theory right now but it makes sense that if you remove some of the risk, the risk an artificial evolution hasn't gone through, they haven't overcome the challenge that was expected of them.
Huh... Jupiter and Earth are name-dropped. Considering that literally no place names, no countries, no cultural references were given through the story, I thought the story took place on another Earth-like planet.
No. It was triggered by a sort of serum made of monster blood that monster Deryl had intended to use on himself. But lower level evolutions aren't really the important ones...only the 5th is the one that is a make or break thing...the 5th is the one that is important to be natural as we see a vast power difference between the big 3 who achieved natural 5th evolutions and the serum induced 5ths. The 5th is also hugely important because a superhuman can no longer evolve after that so inducing the 5th via serum makes achieving it naturally impossible...but natural 5ths are incredibly dangerous for reasons that we don't know yet but most likely relates to controlling or binding to some other entity as the big 3 appear to be, and those entities are likely the sources of their vastly higher powers too.