RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.79] [Fujino]

[kinglionheart]

I think most people would like to see an endless first part(and the beginning of the second part). Asuna constantly gets into situations with aphrodisiac, pollen, loss of consciousness - Inoda uses it more and more (but slowly) increasing the pressure, but Kirito does not understand anything. In principle, they can be understood, I'm also a little disappointed that only Kirito has NTR left in the game, and even then only with Liz. The game has moved to a new stage, where Asuna is a willing cheater and not everyone likes it.

Hard disagree with you there brother. The big payoff in NTR games for me is the change of the woman from "force to" to "want to" have sex with the guy. If Inoda just keep doing stuff with a unwilling Asuna then it is like he is just using a sex toy. Some people like that but the appeal of NTR should be knowing something precious is being taken away. If people wanted a endless Part 1 then Kirito and the NTR aspects could have been removed to make Inoda try to get a single Asuna and the results would have been the same.

I do think the NTR aspects have pretty much disappeared by now. Kirito and Asuna's interactions now are barely gaming buddies with benefits instead of lovers. He doesn't know about what Liz did to him so losing her would mean very little. He does seem to care for Suguha but the chances of her being taken away is nil. Kirito now just seem to drive the subplot of Administrator and the Council forward or make us laugh at his blindness. I do hope once Asuna becomes willing then Kirito can get involves in the NTR situations and have some genuine reactions.

 

[4-kun]

Hard disagree with you there brother. The big payoff in NTR games for me is the change of the woman from "force to" to "want to" have sex with the guy. If Inoda just keep doing stuff with a unwilling Asuna then it is like he is just using a sex toy. Some people like that but the appeal of NTR should be knowing something precious is being taken away. If people wanted a endless Part 1 then Kirito and the NTR aspects could have been removed to make Inoda try to get a single Asuna and the results would have been the same.

I do think the NTR aspects have pretty much disappeared by now. Kirito and Asuna's interactions now are barely gaming buddies with benefits instead of lovers. He doesn't know about what Liz did to him so losing her would mean very little. He does seem to care for Suguha but the chances of her being taken away is nil. Kirito now just seem to drive the subplot of Administrator and the Council forward or make us laugh at his blindness. I do hope once Asuna becomes willing then Kirito can get involves in the NTR situations and have some genuine reactions.

Kinda agree, but I also doubt that his reaction would still be believable at this point. As you said, they’re just too far apart by now. Sure, Fujino can throw in all kinds of emotions out of nowhere, and it might still work to some extent, but that’s mostly because most people still remember what kind of couple they were in the OG. However, in the context of this game, I think it would feel off.

 

[Queen_Nothing]

I think most people would like to see an endless first part(and the beginning of the second part). Asuna constantly gets into situations with aphrodisiac, pollen, loss of consciousness - Inoda uses it more and more (but slowly) increasing the pressure, but Kirito does not understand anything. In principle, they can be understood, I'm also a little disappointed that only Kirito has NTR left in the game, and even then only with Liz. The game has moved to a new stage, where Asuna is a willing cheater and not everyone likes it.

Yeah, I loved the format of part 1. The main plot was simple; you get your girlfriend stolen over time by a fat, ugly otaku using both game and life as avenues to get what he wants. The seemingly incidental events in which Asuna was made helpless against Inoda, leading to weakening IRL morals and thus peeks of slowly incrementing corruption. Silhouette scenes and scenes where Kirito only saw an innocent half to what was obviously some lewd. Leading up to the breaking down and giving in to full sex on the stormy night. We were fine for that to progress into a willing cheating scenario from there, even if there was still more hesitance to overcome. But then Part 2 turned out to be 10 steps back and 1 step forward.

The side content used to be simple; Suguha and the other girls around you were stolen by other guys. I don't particularly vibe with Hebishima's archetype, but he was a fine enough girl-stealing side character just to use Sugu for some side NTR. And while I think the Sugu/Sinon story could have been better in Part 1, I'm not sure I like where it went in Part 2 either; like IRL gender-swapping Hebishima in revenge was just a weird direction. But I guess people wanted him out of the way to make space for some brothercon? But he could super easily have just been arrested and disappeared as a character. Let's not even bring up the waste of time that Alice's story is.

Part 2 is all over the place. Characters are wildly inconsistent. Plot points are raised and then never mentioned again. The plot overall became a meta conspiracy-mystery and we don't know how or why half of the characters are even involved, and we're still guessing their motives. Sure, a lot of the individual scenes are higher quality, but they're like the diamonds in the mess.

Maybe Fujino felt Part 1 was getting too predictable, and thus boring to make. Evidently he was inspired to tell a much bigger, more complex story. I wanted Part 1 to continue, not necessarily for it to become what Part 2 is.

 

[kinglionheart]

Kinda agree, but I also doubt that his reaction would still be believable at this point. As you said, they’re just too far apart by now. Sure, Fujino can throw in all kinds of emotions out of nowhere, and it might still work to some extent, but that’s mostly because most people still remember what kind of couple they were in the OG. However, in the context of this game, I think it would feel off.

Definitely agree anything that happens now would not be believable. Maybe everything up to the Treehouse event was still believable but everything afterwards is so just random. Still can't believe Asuna just gave a blowjob at the camping event with no buildup despite it being one of her biggest taboos. I think everyone is getting tired of this story. As long as Fujino can give a satisfying conclusion, we can move on and remember fondly how great the game was.

 

[4-kun]

Definitely agree anything that happens now would not be believable. Maybe everything up to the Treehouse event was still believable but everything afterwards is so just random. Still can't believe Asuna just gave a blowjob at the camping event with no buildup despite it being one of her biggest taboos. I think everyone is getting tired of this story. As long as Fujino can give a satisfying conclusion, we can move on and remember fondly how great the game was.

Yeah, it feels like before the treehouse event, every story part was better planned and executed. But since he was basically forced to rewrite the story, including implementing the treehouse event earlier than initially planned, things started to get really messy and inconsistent, leaving quite a few plot holes.

 

[timurotbasaroglu]

I think most people would like to see an endless first part(and the beginning of the second part). Asuna constantly gets into situations with aphrodisiac, pollen, loss of consciousness - Inoda uses it more and more (but slowly) increasing the pressure, but Kirito does not understand anything. In principle, they can be understood, I'm also a little disappointed that only Kirito has NTR left in the game, and even then only with Liz. The game has moved to a new stage, where Asuna is a willing cheater and not everyone likes it.

Willing cheater is not a bad thing, but the problem is characters are not suitable for that and story is a bad written one for that. Like Inoda, a character who even can't run properly fatso being a sex-god with unlimited stamina (because of big dick and reading too much about sex... like, really?) being the one stealing main heroine, or Kirito which we thought at first that he is just classic mini dick NTR protagonist but we've proven wrong (because characters like Sinon enjoying Kirito's dick proves this wrong), or Sinon and Suguha, properly written woman characters who are not just big dick addicted NTR sluts. And we have Asuna, just a slut who is addicted to big dick, which is not a bad thing actually, but being her a hypocritical and greedy bitch, she is just unlikeable and unbearable, especially in a game we have a characters like Sinon and Suguha which know big dick but not surrendered to that. Her personality is lacks most (like she accepts everything Inoda wants and always forgives him but when it comes to her boyfriend she does exact opposite) compared to other woman characters (except her bitch mother) and this makes the game a bad NTR game.

Also there is another thing... If this game just follows NTR cliches for its endings, then why somebody should wait for 2+ years to writer completes it? Why pay money monthly for the game? At least I wouldn't want to pay if I am going to see same cliched NTR ending while paying and waiting 2+ years for it.

Inoda and Asuna scenes and interactions are just boring to me, but this is just a personal preference. I'm here for other characters, like Sinon, Suguha or even Alice. NTR plot and story in this game is just like any other cliched NTR games, like Asuna being extremely easily corruptible, Inoda is just being a virgin fatass sex god, Kirito being brain dead protagonist... Almost 90%+ of NTR games follow same plot, so nothing new and interesting here.

PS: I know nothing about sword art online, so I'm not here for cartoon & comic heroines. If anyone here plays the game just for sword art online heroines, the things I've written above are just nonsense and should be ignored.

 

[mos555]

Definitely agree anything that happens now would not be believable. Maybe everything up to the Treehouse event was still believable but everything afterwards is so just random. Still can't believe Asuna just gave a blowjob at the camping event with no buildup despite it being one of her biggest taboos. I think everyone is getting tired of this story. As long as Fujino can give a satisfying conclusion, we can move on and remember fondly how great the game was.

The blowjob at the campsite seemed to be the last time Asuna mentally apologized to Kirito. After that, apparently, she stopped feeling guilty.
I think it's more likely that it's not fatigue from the game, but just a misunderstanding of what is happening. Okay, we who play a new update every month. But imagine people who play the whole version from the start - the behavior and characters of the characters at the beginning, and then, after 10 hours of play and a month of in-game time, they see completely different behavior and characters.
As for NTR, I think that proper NTR is where the person who is being stolen is not emotionally connected to the person who is stealing. That is, Asuna can be lustful and want Inoda's cock as much as she wants, but she should only be emotionally connected to Kirito (she should love, cook dinners, and so on). It is this aspect that should cause emotional suffering to the player. They love each other, but the body belongs to the other. Many authors forget this and believe that for NTR it is enough to designate an official relationship between two people. But no. This is a mistake. This mistake was made by the authors of Turning the page and King Summer. In the middle of the game, the heroines they fall in love with the one who "stole" them on and completely forget about the existing partner. And Fujino made the same mistake. Although I do not know, maybe it's because he does not know how to prescribe a normal, healthy relationship? After all, this had never happened in his games before. Or maybe Fujino doesn't think it's important. But no matter how many times they say that this game is a parody, do not forget that this is a parody of the strongest and most famous couple in the entertainment industry. A couple that has been around for 22 years in the form of novels, anime, and games. I think many people expected Asuna to be STOLEN, not that Asuna would become a hypocritical, selfish whore.

 

[mos555]

Like Inoda, a character who even can't run properly fatso being a sex-god with unlimited stamina (because of big dick and reading too much about sex... like, really?)

Well, the problem here is rather that Fujino decided to expand the lore and character of Inoda. In other games, there are homeless people who shouldn't even have a dick because of their lifestyle and health. Or fat 50-year-old guys who spent their whole lives drinking beer and sitting on the couch. Where does their stamina come from? But there are such characters so that in the game, parallel to NTR, there is also an element of humiliation for the heroine. Like, "she's so horny that she doesn't care who she fucks with, even bums." It's just necessary to show how degraded the heroine is, and the homeless themselves are just dolls for the stage. But in the case of Inoda, Fujino expanded the character's story and ended up with something strange. Fat guy 18+ years old, psychopath, rapist, manipulator. With unlimited stamina and divine luck. Extremely unrealistic. It would be better if Inoda remained just a wooden log with a big dick.

 

[kinglionheart]

The blowjob at the campsite seemed to be the last time Asuna mentally apologized to Kirito. After that, apparently, she stopped feeling guilty.
I think it's more likely that it's not fatigue from the game, but just a misunderstanding of what is happening. Okay, we who play a new update every month. But imagine people who play the whole version from the start - the behavior and characters of the characters at the beginning, and then, after 10 hours of play and a month of in-game time, they see completely different behavior and characters.
As for NTR, I think that proper NTR is where the person who is being stolen is not emotionally connected to the person who is stealing. That is, Asuna can be lustful and want Inoda's cock as much as she wants, but she should only be emotionally connected to Kirito (she should love, cook dinners, and so on). It is this aspect that should cause emotional suffering to the player. They love each other, but the body belongs to the other. Many authors forget this and believe that for NTR it is enough to designate an official relationship between two people. But no. This is a mistake. This mistake was made by the authors of Turning the page and King Summer. In the middle of the game, the heroines fall in love with the one they cheated on and completely forget about the existing partner. And Fujino made the same mistake. Although I do not know, maybe it's because he does not know how to prescribe a normal, healthy relationship? After all, this had never happened in his games before. Or maybe Fujino doesn't think it's important. But no matter how many times they say that this game is a parody, do not forget that this is a parody of the strongest and most famous couple in the entertainment industry. A couple that has been around for 22 years in the form of novels, anime, and games. I think many people expected Asuna to be STOLEN, not that Asuna would become a hypocritical, selfish whore.

To be fair to Fujino and most other NTR authors out there. They should not have the knowledge and experience of writing about NTR, I hope. So everyone is just copying what others have done. Part 1 did do a good job for the relationship of Kirito and Asuna. I did feel they were strongest emotionally, not physically. But that had the problem not having any realistic way to break them up so Part 2 broke that relationship to make the NTR happen. A catch-22 situation for Fujino. Either keep their relationship strong but no actual NTR can happen or break their relationship but it doesn't feel like NTR anymore.

I am glad you mention those other games because I remember liking them in the beginning but quickly lost interest since it got so boring and the sex scenes were not very hot. This game kept me invested for the extra hot sex scene and interesting premise of VR world but it is time for a change.

 

[Aniky Light]

Willing cheater is not a bad thing, but the problem is characters are not suitable for that and story is a bad written one for that. Like Inoda, a character who even can't run properly fatso being a sex-god with unlimited stamina (because of big dick and reading too much about sex... like, really?) being the one stealing main heroine, or Kirito which we thought at first that he is just classic mini dick NTR protagonist but we've proven wrong (because characters like Sinon enjoying Kirito's dick proves this wrong), or Sinon and Suguha, properly written woman characters who are not just big dick addicted NTR sluts. And we have Asuna, just a slut who is addicted to big dick, which is not a bad thing actually, but being her a hypocritical and greedy bitch, she is just unlikeable and unbearable, especially in a game we have a characters like Sinon and Suguha which know big dick but not surrendered to that. Her personality is lacks most (like she accepts everything Inoda wants and always forgives him but when it comes to her boyfriend she does exact opposite) compared to other woman characters (except her bitch mother) and this makes the game a bad NTR game.

Also there is another thing... If this game just follows NTR cliches for its endings, then why somebody should wait for 2+ years to writer completes it? Why pay money monthly for the game? At least I wouldn't want to pay if I am going to see same cliched NTR ending while paying and waiting 2+ years for it.

Inoda and Asuna scenes and interactions are just boring to me, but this is just a personal preference. I'm here for other characters, like Sinon, Suguha or even Alice. NTR plot and story in this game is just like any other cliched NTR games, like Asuna being extremely easily corruptible, Inoda is just being a virgin fatass sex god, Kirito being brain dead protagonist... Almost 90%+ of NTR games follow same plot, so nothing new and interesting here.

PS: I know nothing about sword art online, so I'm not here for cartoon & comic heroines. If anyone here plays the game just for sword art online heroines, the things I've written above are just nonsense and should be ignored.

I doubt that Suguha is addicted to big dick, in fact she doesn't care, she doesn't like big dick because if a person with a big dick doesn't look like Kirito, that person he doesn't even have to try xD

 

[timurotbasaroglu]

I doubt that Suguha is addicted to big dick, in fact she doesn't care, she doesn't like big dick because if a person with a big dick doesn't look like Kirito, that person he doesn't even have to try xD

No man, you got it wrong. Asuna is the one big dick addicted, Suguha and Sinon are not. That's what I meant.

 

[Aniky Light]

No man, you got it wrong. Asuna is the one big dick addicted, Suguha and Sinon are not. That's what I meant.

maybe I read it wrong, because I read that Sino and Suguha are not only independent of the big dick, it's like they like both big and small ones

 

[Aniky Light]

Imagine if Inoda gets the power to change appearance, meaning he can become any person
the typical scene, Inoda takes the form of Kirito and fucks Asuna
Asuna: Kirito I didn't imagine you were this big
*Mentre scopano, entra il vero Kirito*
Kirito: Asuna? What are you doing?
Asuna: Who are you?
Kirito: It's me, Kirito
Asuna: What? if you're there, who is this *shocked and embarrassed but still nailed on the dick*

So who knows what might happen next?

Ok, forget everything I said, it's bullshit xD

 

[mos555]

To be fair to Fujino and most other NTR authors out there. They should not have the knowledge and experience of writing about NTR, I hope. So everyone is just copying what others have done. Part 1 did do a good job for the relationship of Kirito and Asuna. I did feel they were strongest emotionally, not physically. But that had the problem not having any realistic way to break them up so Part 2 broke that relationship to make the NTR happen. A catch-22 situation for Fujino. Either keep their relationship strong but no actual NTR can happen or break their relationship but it doesn't feel like NTR anymore.

I am glad you mention those other games because I remember liking them in the beginning but quickly lost interest since it got so boring and the sex scenes were not very hot. This game kept me invested for the extra hot sex scene and interesting premise of VR world but it is time for a change.

For proper NTR, there is no need to destroy the relationship. Asuna could love Kirito, marry Kirito, and even have Inoda's child so that Kirito could raise someone else's child. The destruction of relationships is the mistake that excludes NTR from the game. I think, brother, you meant that if Asuna loves Kirito so much, then why would she cheat on him? Well, in good NTR, the authors use a disease that causes lust or the seal of lust (in fantasy settings). Fujino could have come up with something that would force Asuna to vent her lust on someone else. Yes, even Oberon's actions could have put some kind of bookmark in her brain. This would completely justify everything and Asuna could continue to love Kirito. Fujino apparently decided to complicate his life and, indeed, drove himself into the "catch 22".

As for the games I mentioned, I associate them with disappointment. If you need to remember games with bad NTR, then the first thing you remember is them.

 

[mos555]

I doubt that Suguha is addicted to big dick, in fact she doesn't care, she doesn't like big dick because if a person with a big dick doesn't look like Kirito, that person he doesn't even have to try xD

This means that love has won. Even after spending a lot of time with a big dick of the Hebishima, Suguha still chose Kirito. That's the power of love.

 

[kinglionheart]

For proper NTR, there is no need to destroy the relationship. Asuna could love Kirito, marry Kirito, and even have Inoda's child so that Kirito could raise someone else's child. The destruction of relationships is the mistake that excludes NTR from the game. I think, brother, you meant that if Asuna loves Kirito so much, then why would she cheat on him? Well, in good NTR, the authors use a disease that causes lust or the seal of lust (in fantasy settings). Fujino could have come up with something that would force Asuna to vent her lust on someone else. Yes, even Oberon's actions could have put some kind of bookmark in her brain. This would completely justify everything and Asuna could continue to love Kirito. Fujino apparently decided to complicate his life and, indeed, drove himself into the "catch 22".
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As for the games I mentioned, I associate them with disappointment. If you need to remember games with bad NTR, then the first thing you remember is them.

Yea "broke" was the wrong word. I meant "weaken". Their relationship was so solid it didn't feel anything could happen without weakening it first. I have to say I am glad Fujino didn't use the lust curse trope here. Didn't fit the the environment of the game. He did use a variant of the lust disease if he continues with the Sugou trauma plotline.

 

[mos555]

Yea "broke" was the wrong word. I meant "weaken". Their relationship was so solid it didn't feel anything could happen without weakening it first. I have to say I am glad Fujino didn't use the lust curse trope here. Didn't fit the the environment of the game. He did use a variant of the lust disease if he continues with the Sugou trauma plotline.

Well, the curse (seal) of lust could work in virtual reality, and then switch to the real world because of, for example, antennas. It was so simple and obvious that I'm even surprised why Fujino didn't use it.

In the case of Sugo's mental influence, somewhere at the end of the game there should be a scene where Asuna "wakes up" and thinks "What's wrong with me, it wasn't me, why did I do all this?" But it can't stop anymore because the body got used to it. This would bring the relationship between Asuna and Kirito back to its previous level, and Asuna's carnal desires would bring NTR back into the game.
Fujino, if you're here, use this idea.

 

[4-kun]

Well, the curse (seal) of lust could work in virtual reality, and then switch to the real world because of, for example, antennas. It was so simple and obvious that I'm even surprised why Fujino didn't use it.

In the case of Sugo's mental influence, somewhere at the end of the game there should be a scene where Asuna "wakes up" and thinks "What's wrong with me, it wasn't me, why did I do all this?" But it can't stop anymore because the body got used to it. This would bring the relationship between Asuna and Kirito back to its previous level, and Asuna's carnal desires would bring NTR back into the game.
Fujino, if you're here, use this idea.

sounds like another soft reset for part 3

 

[Queen_Nothing]

In the case of Sugo's mental influence, somewhere at the end of the game there should be a scene where Asuna "wakes up" and thinks "What's wrong with me, it wasn't me, why did I do all this?" But it can't stop anymore because the body got used to it. This would bring the relationship between Asuna and Kirito back to its previous level, and Asuna's carnal desires would bring NTR back into the game.
Fujino, if you're here, use this idea.

That's what I'm hoping this update is, really. Reaffirming their love to bring forth Yui, then Asuna logs off and has marathon sweaty sex with Inoda.

I think one day she'll get her memories with Sugou back and she'll be in full, crazy cheating mode. But we gotta restore the loving relationship between Asuna and Kirito to make it hit hard. But I don't think the girls in Fujino's works are usually able to balance true love and sex addiction, I think they usually just fall in love with the NTR antagonist. Remembering what I know of the perks list, it seems Asuna is going to just shift her love towards Inoda and have to put up a fake relationship with Kirito.

 

[seifukulover]

Well, the problem here is rather that Fujino decided to expand the lore and character of Inoda. In other games, there are homeless people who shouldn't even have a dick because of their lifestyle and health. Or fat 50-year-old guys who spent their whole lives drinking beer and sitting on the couch. Where does their stamina come from? But there are such characters so that in the game, parallel to NTR, there is also an element of humiliation for the heroine. Like, "she's so horny that she doesn't care who she fucks with, even bums." It's just necessary to show how degraded the heroine is, and the homeless themselves are just dolls for the stage. But in the case of Inoda, Fujino expanded the character's story and ended up with something strange. Fat guy 18+ years old, psychopath, rapist, manipulator. With unlimited stamina and divine luck. Extremely unrealistic. It would be better if Inoda remained just a wooden log with a big dick.

I will give Fujino credit, because he really knows how to write a loathsome villain. It doesn't matter that his powers and luck are unrealistic, because they're just meant to show how much of a threat the villain is. And hating the villain is a good thing, because it pays off in the end when you see him defeated.

My problem with the whole NTR thing is that the author directly tells us "This villain is going to win and there's no payoff for you". I guess we're just supposed to enjoy the ride until we reach the bad ending?