VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

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Impurity2937

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It is really not a good game for that. Killing the (IMO) best Li in the game isn't going to make it better. (I know "she was never meant to be a Li, only a side girl ..." but the ones who are meant to be Lis are meh or worse Kajia so don't care.)
I totally agree, that's actually the only LI player makes rewarding progress relation-wise.

Kajia is with us from the start, not much happening there and the only decision is if we forgive her (so keep having intimate relation) or not, zero development.

Elea has some decent content but the same as Kajia she likes us from the start so the matter of choosing her is just taking her on ice cream, to the beach and to the club...

Fiona is in love in MC from the moment she run into him on morning jog, from the start she is bland and happy with whatever you say and do.

Medb is my personal second best after Finnabair since we see big development and depth in how she sees and treats MC, we also spend quite a lot time with her and MC needs to put some effort get into her pants.

Finnabair had the most character and relation development from them all, from the girl blinded by hatred who wanted to kill MC twice, day after day we get each other know better and better to the point where she calls us a friend and shows us her secret place (us and no one else). That's rewarding and being rewarded is important when you try to build relationship or achieve something in general, it's worthless if you get something without even trying.

And so we are on the same page here, I'm talking about character/relation depth/development, not personal preferences of how specific LI looks like.
 
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Pixillin'

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I totally agree, that's actually the only LI player makes rewarding progress relation-wise.

Kajia is with us from the start, not much happening there and the only decision is if we forgive her (so keep having intimate relation) or not, zero development.

Elea has some decent content but the same as Kajia she likes us from the start so the matter of choosing her is just taking her on ice cream, to the beach and to the club...

Fiona is in love in MC from the moment she run into him on morning jog, from the start she is bland and happy with whatever you say and do.

Medb is my personal second best after Finnabair since we see big development and depth in how she sees and treats MC, we also spend quite a lot time with her and MC needs to put some effort get into her pants.

Finnabair had the most character and relation development from them all, from the girl blinded by hatred who wanted to kill MC twice, day after day we get each other know better and better to the point where she calls us a friend and shows us her secret place (us and no one else). That's rewarding and being rewarded is important when you try to build relationship or achieve something in general, it's worthless if you get something without even trying.

And so we are on the same page here, I'm talking about character/relation depth/development, not personal preferences of how specific LIs look like.
Agree, Finn (and Medb) are the only relationships where it feels like you had to do any work for it. I guess Kajia would feel like that if I could forgive her for betraying MC for every day of their relationship going back to when they were children - which I can't. The problem with Medb is - first of all she was Finn's mom and after all of their talks, she feels more like a mother figure to MC than the MC's mom does.
 

Impurity2937

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Agree, Finn (and Medb) are the only relationships where it feels like you had to do any work for it. I guess Kajia would feel like that if I could forgive her for betraying MC for every day of their relationship going back to when they were children - which I can't. The problem with Medb is - first of all she was Finn's mom and after all of their talks, she feels more like a mother figure to MC than the MC's mom does.
I've got the same feeling about Medb although it's "better than nothing" at this point so among all other choices I find her the best choice now.

Finn's death was also very well written, I must say not even for a second I thought it will end up like that... Her mission and not saying anything to us was justified as well as her death in terms of story-wise. Tensions between Templars and Alfars make it possible that "shit hit the fan", nevertheless in terms of killing the best/one of the best characters it was bad...

I was already more towards Alfars side in terms of this conflict but after Finn's death choice is obvious now, it is either peace or death to the Templars.

Btw is it me or MC has weird face/is kinda ugly? (at least in terms of AVNs)
 
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xapican

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I've got the same feeling about Medb although it's "better than nothing" at this point so among all other choices I find her the best choice now.

Finn's death was also very well written, I must say not even for a second I thought it will end up like that... Her mission and not saying anything to us was justified as well as her death in terms of story-wise. Tensions between Templars and Alfars make it possible that "shit hit the fan", nevertheless in terms of killing the best/one of the best characters it was bad...

I was already more towards Alfars side in terms of this conflict but after Finn's death choice is obvious now, it is either peace or death to the Templars.

Btw is it me or MC has weird face/is kinda ugly? (at least in terms of AVNs)
sorry that comemnt of MC's face cracked me up :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: No, you're not alone ;)

Regaring, Finn and Medb, that story arc was exactly written to increase the Relationship (not only LI points) with Alfar, unfortunatly for those who liked Finn, she was never thought to be a LI or Side LI she was created how Ceolag said just to unify MC and Medb, and set the stage for the journey, (the goal was earning Alfars respect)

the story allows you a unified path wit Alfar and Templar from what I understood. But outcome still to be seen (on all paths of course)
as pointed out repeatedly in the thread, the conflict is not between Alfars/ Templars it is between corruption and power this threatens not only the Humans (Templars) it threatens all species, Alfar , and the other.
Eleas, and Fionas path, is still to be developed, so yeah they're Bland at the moment, I delibartly left Kaija out of this, because given the 3 paths you have with her it is more complex she is one of the better written characters, in this Novel.
 

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It is really not a good game for that. Killing the (IMO) best Li in the game isn't going to make it better. (I know "she was never meant to be a Li, only a side girl ..." but the ones who are meant to be Lis are meh or worse Kajia so don't care.)

Seriously you have to move on. The lady tried to kill the MC. Twice! :LOL:
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Seriously you have to move on. The lady tried to kill the MC. Twice! :LOL:
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TWICE!!!!
Not gonna lie, on my first run I killed her with a smile on my face, it was awesome to see theirs surprised and shocked faces lol. Since there was not much content on this path, I checked how it goes with her alive and she was really well written character.
 

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Not gonna lie, on my first run I killed her with a smile on my face, it was awesome to see theirs surprised and shocked faces lol. Since there was not much content on this path, I checked how it goes with her alive and she was really well written character.
Exactly the same, for a "young" elf but over the line mature for human standards age she acted very childishly since the start so wasn't a hard decision for me to kill her on the spot the first run I made so annoyingly she behaved towards the MC, its fiction so no real consequences on that kill :LOL: and that is one of the joys of gaming and fantasy, to do things you would never do IRL.

Like you I went back to the save there and played it differently (another great thing of gaming, respawn :LOL:) and even though she got a nice short character development arc I never got too attached to the character anyway, wasn't that hard to let it (her) go.
 
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I totally agree, that's actually the only LI player makes rewarding progress relation-wise.

Kajia is with us from the start, not much happening there and the only decision is if we forgive her (so keep having intimate relation) or not, zero development.

Elea has some decent content but the same as Kajia she likes us from the start so the matter of choosing her is just taking her on ice cream, to the beach and to the club...

Fiona is in love in MC from the moment she run into him on morning jog, from the start she is bland and happy with whatever you say and do.

Medb is my personal second best after Finnabair since we see big development and depth in how she sees and treats MC, we also spend quite a lot time with her and MC needs to put some effort get into her pants.

Finnabair had the most character and relation development from them all, from the girl blinded by hatred who wanted to kill MC twice, day after day we get each other know better and better to the point where she calls us a friend and shows us her secret place (us and no one else). That's rewarding and being rewarded is important when you try to build relationship or achieve something in general, it's worthless if you get something without even trying.

And so we are on the same page here, I'm talking about character/relation depth/development, not personal preferences of how specific LI looks like.
I'm just waiting to see what's in the next update. For me the murder of Finnabair is a bigger deal than the betrayal of MC by Kajia and his parents. So I'm waiting to see how the aftermath is handled, but unless there's a good revenge path I'm probably done with this one.
 
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Pixillin'

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sorry that comemnt of MC's face cracked me up :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: No, you're not alone ;)

Regaring, Finn and Medb, that story arc was exactly written to increase the Relationship (not only LI points) with Alfar, unfortunatly for those who liked Finn, she was never thought to be a LI or Side LI she was created how Ceolag said just to unify MC and Medb, and set the stage for the journey, (the goal was earning Alfars respect)

the story allows you a unified path wit Alfar and Templar from what I understood. But outcome still to be seen (on all paths of course)
as pointed out repeatedly in the thread, the conflict is not between Alfars/ Templars it is between corruption and power this threatens not only the Humans (Templars) it threatens all species, Alfar , and the other.
Eleas, and Fionas path, is still to be developed, so yeah they're Bland at the moment, I delibartly left Kaija out of this, because given the 3 paths you have with her it is more complex she is one of the better written characters, in this Novel.
I think Ceo might have messed it up a bit if that's the case because I'm 100% with the Alfar no and 0% with the Templars. Unless it's for revenge, I want absolutely nothing to do with the Templars or anyone who is with the Templars. But, while I'm "unified" with Medb, I see her as a mother figure not a Li.
 

xapican

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Revenge?
would that bring Finnabair back? , It would at least close and allow the MC to move on, (what he has to do anyway)
who would that serve ?
what will be achieved if you claim 1000 times the life which was taken ?
and after slaughtering (probably the Templars, which have no right to revenge their losses) the culprits, what then ?
 

Pixillin'

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Revenge?
would that bring Finnabair back? , It would at least close and allow the MC to move on, (what he has to do anyway)
who would that serve ?
what will be achieved if you claim 1000 times the life which was taken ?
and after slaughtering (probably the Templars, which have no right to revenge their losses) the culprits, what then ?
I would absolutely kill whoever killed Finn, without a second thought and regardless of the reason they did it. Personally I think it's what Finnabair would have wanted but regardless it's what I want. After learning that MC's parents and childhood friend/girlfriend had betrayed him, the same organization then killed my Li. They all, IMO, deserve a painful death. If I can't have that though then I want absolutely nothing to do with them - not one more conversation with any of them. I'd join the hellspawn or the Neverwhere cartels before I'd help the Templars.
 

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I haven't kept up with the discussions here, so I'm probably just spouting nonsense now.
But perhaps everything that has happened is intended (by the dev) to make the MC forge his own path, to gather his own allies and not rely on any of the established groups.
The MC will not ally/allign with any of the known factions. This has been said by Ceo.
 
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