TomUK

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The closest would be Zoey, who puts a wrench into Others path. And that's if you're on Others; the game just rejects her automatically on any other path. If not and you accept, The Others route is then destroyed. (Zoey, maybe Lily...possibly a change in Nora?) But even then, you can choose not to.
I'm fairly certain that on either my Jill or Throuple route I had the option to say yes to Zoey, I'm also sure that others on other MG routes have had the option to dump their MG for Zoey.
 

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I think Jacob will tell Zoe about MC sleeping with Lily after the BBQ. MC forbids him from seeing Zoe and sleeps with another girl that same night. Honestly, if I were Jacob, I would be pissed.
So Zoey is going to fuck Jacob just to try and piss off the mc, that would just make her a whore and Jacob would become a pariah in the DIK house, a bit like Nick.
 

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I'm fairly certain that on either my Jill or Throuple route I had the option to say yes to Zoey, I'm also sure that others on other MG routes have had the option to dump their MG for Zoey.
Correct. As long as you get enough "Zoey points" and you don't say "I love you" on either of Josy's and Maya's solo dates, you have the option to drop every MG for Zoey if you want.


No, it's all good. I didn't take it that way. (y)

I used the wrong word (it's definitely addictive).
It also doesn't help that a joint is weed combined with tobacco, another substance that IS very addictive.
I still want to try spacecake, never done it.
 

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the falling out of the DIKs,
That's not a paradigm shift. That's just conflict. Did Mona cause one with the HOTs? What did Nick/Mona leaving change? At least with Mona we got potential for development and mystery; Nick leaving does nothing, outside of us going to Chad to figure stuff out.

the start of Quinn's "redemption arc" (if we're gonna call that)
She's out for revenge, it seems. She's now more the "bad girl", even if you're on her route.

, Zoey finally springing into action and serving as a wrench in most routes,
See that's what I thought, but that would undermine Crossroads, and the choice is automatically rejected on certain paths anyway.

but more importantly, and probably the reason for the title: the reveal of the true mastermind behind all the school shenanigans... I mean, that kinda changes the paradigm quite a bit...
That's where I disagree. It's just a plot reveal to the audience, or reveal, if anything, and at the end. Assuming the next episode deals with the Magnar issue entirely, since the audience now has different info than the characters. It had nothing to do with choice, plot, game play, or ones character.

Although, to be fair, DPC kinda fucked up with the titles, since "Paradigm Shift" would've been better for Ep9, and "Vixens" would've been better for Ep11... 'cause the vixens didn't do jack shit in 9... they did come out to play this episode tho...
I agree; Vixens title seems very out of place. Well, again, I don't understand the titles of these episodes. I feel very strongly that this, and other episodes were all filler, and DPC was just doing what his fans wanted and voted on. Which is fine, but why not also have plot and character development in these filler stories? (Bella and Jill haven't grown at all, and they're supposed to be the mature type. Maya did nothing. Josy goes wah. Sage is the only one who's things going for her in the plot, backstory, and her own character.)
 

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We understand why she choose to do it. It does not become less stupid or cringe because we understand that.
And she uses MCs name all of the time even when you start rolling with her and she does that right from the bat too, so that's kind of defeats your whole fucking point, don't you think?

The rolling thing would already serve to keep things shallow, by not labelling it as a relationship even if it's an open one, it would help her not see it as such. I even liked that idea very much since I understood Lily. But the King and Queen shit just added a sour taste to the whole thing. It's forced and it's dumb and it's mostly useless since Lily uses your name most of the time anyways.

And Sage is protective and is attached to the MC even more now because of her family situation. But on this I agree, Sage went right against the sorority rules, but I guess it's because she knows the MC is huge ass snowflake.
Look, I'm not going to sit here and argue what's cringe and what isn't since that is all subjective (Example: For me the whole event that starts Quinn path is pure cringe and why is that? Not just because I don't like Quinn but to me the way they both talk and behave (her and DIK MC) goes against what was presented from their characters up to that point) I just thought that when the whole EP 10 happened people where quick to shit on Lily's events only for that when it's not even that big a part of her scenes, heck even in the cluck she posts or when you message you have the option to not use the fake nickname and nothing changes.

On the Sage thing, I disagree partially I do not mind her looking out for MC since it's pretty much canon she always has a crush on him regardless of who is he with or how you shape his personality. But I personally feel she went about it the wrong way (she even apologies by the end of the convo).

Also, I would like to see characters uphold some of their frats codes would be a good change of pace tbh considering no one seems to give a shit and pick and chooses when to uphold them, it's one of the main reasons I kinda don't vibe with any group as of late, heck if there was an option to quit the DIKS in a future choice and I feel the MC is entitled to do so I'd probably pick it in a heartbeat xD
 
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narrisen

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Honestly: what was the big change this episode?
Consequences. For MC, up to this episode he could have fuck around, stick his dick in anyone, hit Tybalt, antagonize jocks, preps, and it never really changed anything from a narrative perspective. From this point on, every negarive RP with frats, any cheater's points will play a major role. People will get hurt, physically or emotionally.

And neglecting the Fish Tank Game will be the greatest demise of all.
 
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That's where I disagree. It's just a plot reveal to the audience, or reveal, if anything, and at the end. Assuming the next episode deals with the Magnar issue entirely, since the audience now has different info than the characters. It had nothing to do with choice, plot, game play, or ones character.
The ridiculous and over dramatic chapter title aside, this was my main disappointment with this chapter. We, as the reader, learn a lot, MC learns jack! For most of the chapter he just obliviously does party planning while all the plot happens elsewhere. It wouldn't be a problem if he (and we) hadn't been so central to the plot before then, with seemingly more input from us on story direction. I feel the mechanics of the game went through more of a paradigm shift than the story.
I still feel Revelations would be a great name for chapter 12. What do think DPC might/should call the next chapter?
 
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I don't get why people still don't understand the point of the whole "King and Queen" bs. You guys do know it's actual human psychology to latch onto people/animals hell even objects more emotionally if we call them by their names or we name them ourselves right?
Because it makes them both look silly as far as pet names go. Which is fine these are teenagers and there isn't one of us that don't have embarrassing memories that make us want to slap our young selves. But doesn't change the fact it's dumb. I actually think that's partly the point considering Lily's route shows that from the outside aspects of their dynamic make them look bad.

I would not be surprised if the King/Queen things gets dropped alongside all the other showy aspects. Because it's clear Lily has no hope of keeping to her own rules, she's clearly falling in love with him at this point. Which in it's own way would be kinda cool. You see Lily's dynamic go from showy and deliberately shallow, to a real loving relationship with no need to show off.
 
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The ridiculous and over dramatic chapter title aside, this was my main disappointment with this chapter. We, as the reader, learn a lot, MC learns jack! For most of the chapter he just obliviously does party planning while all the plot happens elsewhere. It wouldn't be a problem if he (and we) hadn't been so central to the plot before then, with seemingly more input from us on story direction. I feel the mechanics of the game went through more of a paradigm shift than the story.
I still feel Revelations would be a great name for chapter 12. What do think DPC might/should call the next chapter?
About the only thing MC can learn (if he isn't oblivious to it) is that:
- He can't have both Lily and Nicole at the same time anymore
- Quinn seems to be jealous of Lily if you're rolling with Lily
- There seems to be more women romantically interested in him that previously weren't (like Mel)
- There has been more than just a friendly past between Bella and Jill
- He learns (a bit) of the history of Lily, Sage and Quinn
- He learns what really happened with Riona
- He learns that his video is leaked to Burke
- He learns Stephen and Jade are divorcing
Among other stuff.

It's true that for the main plot MC doesn't learn much, but he does learn quite a bit about the characters around him. The thing that could be the biggest paradigm shift(s) to MC and the Scooby Gang however was only talked about, but they did nothing with it (yet): Find out more about the histories of Lynette's and Sage's biological parents.

I think the title of ep 12 will still be something that has to do with the Betas.
 
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The ridiculous and over dramatic chapter title aside, this was my main disappointment with this chapter. We, as the reader, learn a lot, MC learns jack! For most of the chapter he just obliviously does party planning while all the plot happens elsewhere. It wouldn't be a problem if he (and we) hadn't been so central to the plot before then, with seemingly more input from us on story direction. I feel the mechanics of the game went through more of a paradigm shift than the story.
I still feel Revelations would be a great name for chapter 12. What do think DPC might/should call the next chapter?
Because the MC is not the main character :/ all we do in this game is season the food but we don't cook.
 
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About the only thing MC can learn (if he isn't oblivious to it) is that:
- He can't have both Lily and Nicole at the same time anymore
- Quinn seems to be jealous of Lily if you're rolling with Lily
- There seems to be more women romantically interested in him that previously weren't (like Mel)
- There has been more than just a friendly past between Bella and Lilly
- He learns (a bit) of the history of Lily, Sage and Quinn
- He learns what really happened with Riona
- He learns that his video is leaked to Burke
- He learns Stephen and Jade are divorcing
Among other stuff.

It's true that for the main plot MC doesn't learn much, but he does learn quite a bit about the characters around him. The thing that could be the biggest paradigm shift(s) to MC and the Scooby Gang however was only talked about, but they did nothing with it (yet): Find out more about the histories of Lynette's and Sage's biological parents.

I think the title of ep 12 will still be something that has to do with the Betas.
What happened btw Bella and Lily, did you meant to write Jilly?
 

treechild1

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About the only thing MC can learn (if he isn't oblivious to it) is that:
- He can't have both Lily and Nicole at the same time anymore
- Quinn seems to be jealous of Lily if you're rolling with Lily
- There seems to be more women romantically interested in him that previously weren't (like Mel)
- There has been more than just a friendly past between Bella and Lilly
- He learns (a bit) of the history of Lily, Sage and Quinn
- He learns what really happened with Riona
- He learns that his video is leaked to Burke
- He learns Stephen and Jade are divorcing
Among other stuff.

It's true that for the main plot MC doesn't learn much, but he does learn quite a bit about the characters around him. The thing that could be the biggest paradigm shift(s) to MC and the Scooby Gang however was only talked about, but they did nothing with it (yet): Find out more about the histories of Lynette's and Sage's biological parents.

I think the title of ep 12 will still be something that has to do with the Betas.
Yes, I meant main plot specifically. I agree, he’s can learn a lot on specific paths, piecemeal like always. But, take the others route specifically, we learn a lot, but the MC is pretty clueless throughout the entirety of that version of the story.
 

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I feel like Quinn might go full berserk and potentially die in her revenge path if MC isn't here to brocoli her out of danger
 

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What happened btw Bella and Lily, did you meant to write Jilly?
Haha indeed that was a typo and I will correct it. We can talk alot about if and what might have happened between Lily and Bella, but that would all just be fantasies for now xD
 

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Hi. I have questions about the "others - Zoe" route.
1) Will the MC get cheating points in the next episode?
2) Will the MC automatically end everything he had with Quinn, Riona, Lily, Nicole and others? Or will we get another choice?
From what I noticed based on the MC's interaction with Camila at the end of the episode and a quick look into the code, it seems like getting back with Zoey will cut you off from the side girls.
 
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Until now (v0.11.1) that variable is referred in just two places.

ep11_header.rpy, line 77
Code:
default ep11_bianca_path = False

ep11_freeroam_party_events.rpy, line 7288
Code:
       menu:
           "We should stop":
               $ dk(-1)
               mc "We should stop before it escalates. You're right; it can be dangerous."
               scene ep11_pp_bia_event15 with dissolve
               bia "Ok... Are you sure?"
               jump ep11_bia_stop_label
           "Flirt more":
               $ ep11_bianca_path = False
               if not branchAlone:
                   $ tc += 5
It's quite strange that such a variable is set to False if the player chooses to "Flirt more". Setting it to True under that condition would have been the obvious choice.

DPC could have chosen to use a negative logic (just to troll folks peeping in his code), but that would have worked only defaulting that variable to True.

Defaulting such a variable to False and then setting it to False under a condition doesn't make any sense, since at the end of Ep 11 that variable will be always False wether the condition is met or not.

So, if DPC wants to use the variable ep11_bianca_path in future episodes... he has to release an hotfix for Episode 11 correcting this bug, and most of all force everyone to play Episode 11 again loadig from a save before the "We should stop / Flirt more" meno, because... any save created with current v0.11.1 must be thrown in the trashcan, since it will always have ep11_bianca_path == False, no matter what the player chose... :HideThePain:
Here is my two cents what if it's intentional? DPC has not released a patch on this and he would have done so immediately after reports of it being set to false. So my asumption would be flirt more actually does end a potential relationship :unsure:
 
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