VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Kodek]

I don't get why people still don't understand the point of the whole "King and Queen" bs. You guys do know it's actual human psychology to latch onto people/animals hell even objects more emotionally if we call them by their names or we name them ourselves right?

Lily says herself on episode 10 at the pier that the reason she wanted a relationship with MC but not a romantic one was because of her whole life plan and what is the best way to treat a realtionship as shallow? Not using your partner's name and make it seem like it just a transactional kind of relationship.

However, she said so herself that episode as well when they talk about the whole rolling thing that it's not bad that the MC wants to learn more from her even if she said she didn't want to tell him anything yet.

When Sage gets involved into her "non-relationship"(BTW, minus points for Sage on that one betraying the whole "Don't turn on each other"), She immediatly goes defensive and feels even insecure about the whole ordeal to the point of not only accusing Sage of outright being jealous but also asking the MC if he actuall feels like she is only using him, when the mc denies this she chooses or forgets her whole idea and tells him personal stuf no one in the whole campus know, that is SUPER big and it just shows she's been catching feelings for a while know.

She just tried to keep things shallow to protect her job and maybe because a part of her would've started to regret some of her life choices up to that point.

Also, if "King and Queen" is omega cringe for everyone then "Quinn" is cringe by default I'm afraid

We understand why she choose to do it. It does not become less stupid or cringe because we understand that.
And she uses MCs name all of the time even when you start rolling with her and she does that right from the bat too, so that's kind of defeats your whole fucking point, don't you think?

The rolling thing would already serve to keep things shallow, by not labelling it as a relationship even if it's an open one, it would help her not see it as such. I even liked that idea very much since I understood Lily. But the King and Queen shit just added a sour taste to the whole thing. It's forced and it's dumb and it's mostly useless since Lily uses your name most of the time anyways.

And Sage is protective and is attached to the MC even more now because of her family situation. But on this I agree, Sage went right against the sorority rules, but I guess it's because she knows the MC is huge ass snowflake.

 

[Tadpol]

Hi. I have questions about the "others - Zoe" route.
1) Will the MC get cheating points in the next episode?
2) Will the MC automatically end everything he had with Quinn, Riona, Lily, Nicole and others? Or will we get another choice?

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of DPC using already accumulated cheating points against us if we switch to the Zoey route. We'll get some in the future, it seems more than likely, but be careful because we might not start from scratch.

I don't know if Zoey has been able to see everything the MC has done to earn cheating points, but it could make for a funny scene if she told the MC that she's seen him do certain things, and that this kind of behavior is going to have to stop.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of DPC using already accumulated cheating points against us if we switch to the Zoey route. We'll get some in the future, it seems more than likely, but be careful because we might not start from scratch.

I don't know if Zoey has been able to see everything the MC has done to earn cheating points, but it could make for a funny scene if she told the MC that she's seen him do certain things, and that this kind of behavior is going to have to stop.

With Zoey it makes little sense for them to work, because without them we are really cut off from her.

That would be quite a counter-sense.

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

Weed is not addictive.

Um...Yes, it is. If you can't stop smoking weed, you are very much addicted to it. It's like someone that keeps eating food and can't stop himself from eating more.

Continued and frequent use of weed causes physical dependency and addiction. Just because it isn't as addictive as cocaine or heroin doesn't make it *not* addictive.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Um...Yes, it is. If you can't stop smoking weed, you are very much addicted to it. It's like someone that keeps eating food and can't stop himself from eating more.

Continued and frequent use of weed causes physical dependency and addiction. Just because it isn't as addictive as cocaine or heroin doesn't make it *not* addictive.

You're 100% right, I did mean it in a sense that it was less addictive than the others you mentioned (in a physical way).

But addictive was definitely the wrong word for me to use. It is possible to be addicted to anything.

 

[Yellowie The Goldie]

You're 100% right, I did mean it in a sense that it was less addictive than the others you mentioned (in a physical way).

But addictive was definitely the wrong word for me to use. It is possible to be addicted to anything.

Yeah, sorry if I went a bit hard on it but I know people who kept smoking weed and couldn't stop, ultimately ruining their lives financially and mentally because of it.

 

[grarg]

par·a·digm shift
/ˈperəˌdīm ˌSHift/

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noun
noun: paradigm shift; plural noun: paradigm shifts

1. a fundamental change in approach or underlying assumptions.

I'm beginning to think the titles are meaningless, outside of Episode 8 Crossroads, where the Relationship decision is made.

So what is the "Paradigm Shift"? For who? What's the fundamental change in story or game play?

• MC? He's still the party planner. Still a martial artist and guitarist, regardless of going to either competition or party. (Outside of the player redoing the whole game because of the Sage/Jade guilt?) Talking to Chad didn't change anything. Definitely not the Magnar reveal. And you can't count the ending scene, or of everyone getting letters.. Brawler and mini games didn't change at all.
• Jill? She's more...kissy? She teaches the MC to...like winter? (Possible throuple with Bella?)
• Bella? The rule book reveal changed nothing. (Possible throuple with Jill?)
• Sage? Maybe the optional "love" declaration, but again changed nothing (she had these feelings last episode). That she's the glue for her new "family"?
• Maya/Josy? Also declaring you love either of them, and maybe Josy's existential issue (which is dumb and also goes nowhere)/"throuples don't work" theme from DPC again? But that's not plot related. And Maya got her dad issue resolved regardless of getting the contract...
• Quinn is the same bad girl regardless of her honesty and exposition. 0 development on the restaurant/prostitution/scholarship plot. Her dad told her a story from a picture book as a kid...?

Side characters:

• Nick leaves the DIK's and the MC gets a spot on the Party Planner...?
• Maybe Lily suddenly gets fuzzy feelings and has to rethink her life? But that's totally optional for a side character.
• Riona got assaulted and is AWOL.
• More girls get introduced as side or potential side characters in Others.

So nothing changed or was developed for the main characters to cause a new paradigm of storytelling or game play. (Outside of Tybalt walking weird.) There was no major plot point every path went through aside from Quinn exposition, which I highly doubt would turn our MC into some kind of vigilante/life of police service.

The closest would be Zoey, who puts a wrench into Others path. And that's if you're on Others; the game just rejects her automatically on any other path. If not and you accept, The Others route is then destroyed. (Zoey, maybe Lily...possibly a change in Nora?) But even then, you can choose not to.

So maybe, in the future, the Others route is more streamlined and simplified, and DPC will create more focused routes? Is it a new paradigm to DPC storytelling or work routine?

Honestly: what was the big change this episode?

 

[Moni23]

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of DPC using already accumulated cheating points against us if we switch to the Zoey route. We'll get some in the future, it seems more than likely, but be careful because we might not start from scratch.

I don't know if Zoey has been able to see everything the MC has done to earn cheating points, but it could make for a funny scene if she told the MC that she's seen him do certain things, and that this kind of behavior is going to have to stop.

I think Jacob will tell Zoe about MC sleeping with Lily after the BBQ. MC forbids him from seeing Zoe and sleeps with another girl that same night. Honestly, if I were Jacob, I would be pissed.

 

[Znar26]

I don't get why people still don't understand the point of the whole "King and Queen" bs. You guys do know it's actual human psychology to latch onto people/animals hell even objects more emotionally if we call them by their names or we name them ourselves right?

Lily says herself on episode 10 at the pier that the reason she wanted a relationship with MC but not a romantic one was because of her whole life plan and what is the best way to treat a realtionship as shallow? Not using your partner's name and make it seem like it just a transactional kind of relationship.

However, she said so herself that episode as well when they talk about the whole rolling thing that it's not bad that the MC wants to learn more from her even if she said she didn't want to tell him anything yet.

When Sage gets involved into her "non-relationship"(BTW, minus points for Sage on that one betraying the whole "Don't turn on each other"), She immediatly goes defensive and feels even insecure about the whole ordeal to the point of not only accusing Sage of outright being jealous but also asking the MC if he actuall feels like she is only using him, when the mc denies this she chooses or forgets her whole idea and tells him personal stuf no one in the whole campus know, that is SUPER big and it just shows she's been catching feelings for a while know.

She just tried to keep things shallow to protect her job and maybe because a part of her would've started to regret some of her life choices up to that point.

Also, if "King and Queen" is omega cringe for everyone then "Quinn" is cringe by default I'm afraid

Lily is only human. And the whole rollin' thing is now just pretend.
EP11 party.

Spoiler: Lily wants MC

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[Jacowboy]

Honestly: what was the big change this episode?

the falling out of the DIKs, the start of Quinn's "redemption arc" (if we're gonna call that), Zoey finally springing into action and serving as a wrench in most routes, but more importantly, and probably the reason for the title: the reveal of the true mastermind behind all the school shenanigans... I mean, that kinda changes the paradigm quite a bit...

Although, to be fair, DPC kinda fucked up with the titles, since "Paradigm Shift" would've been better for Ep9, and "Vixens" would've been better for Ep11... 'cause the vixens didn't do jack shit in 9... they did come out to play this episode tho...

 

[The Krogan Dude]

Also, if "King and Queen" is omega cringe for everyone then "Quinn" is cringe by default I'm afraid

Except that's a real and common name who has nothing to do with royalty. In fact it's a unisex name. Not like the cringy pre pubere nicknames

 

[TomUK]

The closest would be Zoey, who puts a wrench into Others path. And that's if you're on Others; the game just rejects her automatically on any other path. If not and you accept, The Others route is then destroyed. (Zoey, maybe Lily...possibly a change in Nora?) But even then, you can choose not to.

I'm fairly certain that on either my Jill or Throuple route I had the option to say yes to Zoey, I'm also sure that others on other MG routes have had the option to dump their MG for Zoey.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Yeah, sorry if I went a bit hard on it but I know people who kept smoking weed and couldn't stop, ultimately ruining their lives financially and mentally because of it.

No, it's all good. I didn't take it that way.

I used the wrong word (it's definitely addictive).

 

[TomUK]

I think Jacob will tell Zoe about MC sleeping with Lily after the BBQ. MC forbids him from seeing Zoe and sleeps with another girl that same night. Honestly, if I were Jacob, I would be pissed.

So Zoey is going to fuck Jacob just to try and piss off the mc, that would just make her a whore and Jacob would become a pariah in the DIK house, a bit like Nick.

 

[Chillout1984]

I'm fairly certain that on either my Jill or Throuple route I had the option to say yes to Zoey, I'm also sure that others on other MG routes have had the option to dump their MG for Zoey.

Correct. As long as you get enough "Zoey points" and you don't say "I love you" on either of Josy's and Maya's solo dates, you have the option to drop every MG for Zoey if you want.

No, it's all good. I didn't take it that way.

I used the wrong word (it's definitely addictive).

It also doesn't help that a joint is weed combined with tobacco, another substance that IS very addictive.
I still want to try spacecake, never done it.

 

[grarg]

the falling out of the DIKs,

That's not a paradigm shift. That's just conflict. Did Mona cause one with the HOTs? What did Nick/Mona leaving change? At least with Mona we got potential for development and mystery; Nick leaving does nothing, outside of us going to Chad to figure stuff out.

the start of Quinn's "redemption arc" (if we're gonna call that)

She's out for revenge, it seems. She's now more the "bad girl", even if you're on her route.

, Zoey finally springing into action and serving as a wrench in most routes,

See that's what I thought, but that would undermine Crossroads, and the choice is automatically rejected on certain paths anyway.

but more importantly, and probably the reason for the title: the reveal of the true mastermind behind all the school shenanigans... I mean, that kinda changes the paradigm quite a bit...

That's where I disagree. It's just a plot reveal to the audience, or reveal, if anything, and at the end. Assuming the next episode deals with the Magnar issue entirely, since the audience now has different info than the characters. It had nothing to do with choice, plot, game play, or ones character.

Although, to be fair, DPC kinda fucked up with the titles, since "Paradigm Shift" would've been better for Ep9, and "Vixens" would've been better for Ep11... 'cause the vixens didn't do jack shit in 9... they did come out to play this episode tho...

I agree; Vixens title seems very out of place. Well, again, I don't understand the titles of these episodes. I feel very strongly that this, and other episodes were all filler, and DPC was just doing what his fans wanted and voted on. Which is fine, but why not also have plot and character development in these filler stories? (Bella and Jill haven't grown at all, and they're supposed to be the mature type. Maya did nothing. Josy goes wah. Sage is the only one who's things going for her in the plot, backstory, and her own character.)

 

[DarkLords00]

We understand why she choose to do it. It does not become less stupid or cringe because we understand that.
And she uses MCs name all of the time even when you start rolling with her and she does that right from the bat too, so that's kind of defeats your whole fucking point, don't you think?

The rolling thing would already serve to keep things shallow, by not labelling it as a relationship even if it's an open one, it would help her not see it as such. I even liked that idea very much since I understood Lily. But the King and Queen shit just added a sour taste to the whole thing. It's forced and it's dumb and it's mostly useless since Lily uses your name most of the time anyways.

And Sage is protective and is attached to the MC even more now because of her family situation. But on this I agree, Sage went right against the sorority rules, but I guess it's because she knows the MC is huge ass snowflake.

Look, I'm not going to sit here and argue what's cringe and what isn't since that is all subjective (Example: For me the whole event that starts Quinn path is pure cringe and why is that? Not just because I don't like Quinn but to me the way they both talk and behave (her and DIK MC) goes against what was presented from their characters up to that point) I just thought that when the whole EP 10 happened people where quick to shit on Lily's events only for that when it's not even that big a part of her scenes, heck even in the cluck she posts or when you message you have the option to not use the fake nickname and nothing changes.

On the Sage thing, I disagree partially I do not mind her looking out for MC since it's pretty much canon she always has a crush on him regardless of who is he with or how you shape his personality. But I personally feel she went about it the wrong way (she even apologies by the end of the convo).

Also, I would like to see characters uphold some of their frats codes would be a good change of pace tbh considering no one seems to give a shit and pick and chooses when to uphold them, it's one of the main reasons I kinda don't vibe with any group as of late, heck if there was an option to quit the DIKS in a future choice and I feel the MC is entitled to do so I'd probably pick it in a heartbeat xD

 

[narrisen]

Honestly: what was the big change this episode?

Consequences. For MC, up to this episode he could have fuck around, stick his dick in anyone, hit Tybalt, antagonize jocks, preps, and it never really changed anything from a narrative perspective. From this point on, every negarive RP with frats, any cheater's points will play a major role. People will get hurt, physically or emotionally.

And neglecting the Fish Tank Game will be the greatest demise of all.

 

[treechild1]

That's where I disagree. It's just a plot reveal to the audience, or reveal, if anything, and at the end. Assuming the next episode deals with the Magnar issue entirely, since the audience now has different info than the characters. It had nothing to do with choice, plot, game play, or ones character.

The ridiculous and over dramatic chapter title aside, this was my main disappointment with this chapter. We, as the reader, learn a lot, MC learns jack! For most of the chapter he just obliviously does party planning while all the plot happens elsewhere. It wouldn't be a problem if he (and we) hadn't been so central to the plot before then, with seemingly more input from us on story direction. I feel the mechanics of the game went through more of a paradigm shift than the story.
I still feel Revelations would be a great name for chapter 12. What do think DPC might/should call the next chapter?

 

[Serendipity Blue]

I don't get why people still don't understand the point of the whole "King and Queen" bs. You guys do know it's actual human psychology to latch onto people/animals hell even objects more emotionally if we call them by their names or we name them ourselves right?

Because it makes them both look silly as far as pet names go. Which is fine these are teenagers and there isn't one of us that don't have embarrassing memories that make us want to slap our young selves. But doesn't change the fact it's dumb. I actually think that's partly the point considering Lily's route shows that from the outside aspects of their dynamic make them look bad.

I would not be surprised if the King/Queen things gets dropped alongside all the other showy aspects. Because it's clear Lily has no hope of keeping to her own rules, she's clearly falling in love with him at this point. Which in it's own way would be kinda cool. You see Lily's dynamic go from showy and deliberately shallow, to a real loving relationship with no need to show off.