Ren'Py Bobby's Memoirs of Depravity [v0.15.503] [ZipTieFun]

[Milmurnir]

The evidence may lie somewhere at the bottom of this thread I don't know that, and neither do you, so you might want to be more careful with statements like "immediately branded a 'scammer.' I'm certain there were numerous provocations" unless you have some citations to back it up.

I have no intention of searching through old messages. These provocations targeting the developer - I hope you understand what I mean. When I initially began discussing various circumstances, I was immediately labeled a moralist and Zip's defender. Later, I reiterated my arguments favoring basic rationality - 'innocent until proven guilty.' People repeated the same criticisms but now called me naive. Then came an outright offensive post that moderation later removed.

Are you suggesting these individuals didn't immediately attack him after the subscription changes? You've written about this yourself. I find that hard to believe. I've witnessed how futile it is here to present a simple argument: you lack evidence. Everything Zip did falls within his personal prerogative and breaches no agreements. Breaking promises? That constitutes no proof whatsoever.

Yes, you have to believe the creator that when he was supposed to update he had to move or there was a power outage (quotes from Zip ) Your comment is completely out of touch with reality but I'm not going to convince you. You have to see the truth for yourself. It took me a long time

Let me reiterate—this is not a definitive claim. Must I repeat the same thing ten or twenty times? I’m merely speculating about potential life circumstances. Basic logic and causality exist—there could have been force majeure events. Anything might have happened in Zip’s life. I don’t know him personally and can only rely on online information, which, by the way, might be unreliable. What exactly are you trying to convince me of? That there won’t be an update? And what then? As I’ve said before: maybe there won’t be one, or maybe he’ll surprise everyone and release it.

I have never written that he broke the law. I once wrote that the most honest payment is payment for creation. Generally, it is as the less skeptical write. Subscription is a voluntary payment without the obligation to get something for it. Where is the breaking of the law here?

But you never actually wrote that! I don't understand—I'm being precise in my wording. I stated that if he had violated the platform's terms of service—specifically regarding financial manipulation through subscriptions or abuse of his position—the administration would have immediately become aware. Consequently, his account would have been suspended. They'd learn of this through defrauded users who lost money on these subscriptions. Those victims would file complaints detailing their grievances against the developer. All this gets investigated. The administration monitors such matters.

Yet! We see Zip continuing his operations, including financial activities.

 

[James8585]

I seriously doubt other platforms will follow Patreon's example. Of course it's about money. Besides, people like Zip deserve to have their reputations tarnished, not face legal consequences. This is too much.

Not at all. Why does Zip's reputation need tarnishing. If he delivers there's no problem. The content is as bad or good as most porn games. It's fantasy. It isn't real. Being woke about fantasy is an absurd notion. Are you a censor. Why are you on a porn forum. Literal stupidity. What are you censoring? Literal hypocrisy and bullshit.

Every single dev in this genre, every single one could meet deadlines, none of them do, except one's releasing monthly, or tri monthly. There are all of a handful of those. Providing there are regular updates who cares?

This update was bad, it added nothing except a tease. It promised far more. An update is sooner expected. In fact when it says part 4. It's because it is due sooner. Zip has been relatively regular. About every 4 months. Dumbass

 

[Sid01]

Are you suggesting these individuals didn't immediately attack him after the subscription changes? You've written about this yourself. I find that hard to believe. I've witnessed how futile it is here to present a simple argument: you lack evidence. Everything Zip did falls within his personal prerogative and breaches no agreements. Breaking promises? That constitutes no proof whatsoever.

No one attacked Zip immediately after the subscription change.. it was only me who noticed that he limited the number of subscriptions for one dollar and it happened relatively recently. For me it is one of the proofs that he is only cutting coupons and maximizing the source of income but no one here on the forum has brought it up in the general criticism. This is just another incriminating evidence against Zip but nothing groundbreaking.
Yes.. breaking promises is not evidence.. it is becoming increasingly difficult for me to discuss with you.

Let me reiterate—this is not a definitive claim. Must I repeat the same thing ten or twenty times? I’m merely speculating about potential life circumstances. Basic logic and causality exist—there could have been force majeure events. Anything might have happened in Zip’s life. I don’t know him personally and can only rely on online information, which, by the way, might be unreliable. What exactly are you trying to convince me of? That there won’t be an update? And what then? As I’ve said before: maybe there won’t be one, or maybe he’ll surprise everyone and release it.

Yes.. an incredible coincidence. And twice in a row in the same period of time. I will not mention the progress of the update counted in percentages. I refer you to subscribe star Zip. All posts have been preserved and will save me writing.

But you never actually wrote that! I don't understand—I'm being precise in my wording. I stated that if he had violated the platform's terms of service—specifically regarding financial manipulation through subscriptions or abuse of his position—the administration would have immediately become aware. Consequently, his account would have been suspended. They'd learn of this through defrauded users who lost money on these subscriptions. Those victims would file complaints detailing their grievances against the developer. All this gets investigated. The administration monitors such matters.

Yet! We see Zip continuing his operations, including financial activities.

So? Can you cheat someone without breaking the law? You can. That's called immoral behavior.

 

[Sid01]

Not at all. Why does Zip's reputation need tarnishing. If he delivers there's no problem. The content is as bad or good as most porn games. It's fantasy. It isn't real. Being woke about fantasy is an absurd notion. Are you a censor. Why are you on a porn forum. Literal stupidity. What are you censoring? Literal hypocrisy and bullshit.

Every single dev in this genre, every single one could meet deadlines, none of them do, except one's releasing monthly, or tri monthly. There are all of a handful of those. Providing there are regular updates who cares?

This update was bad, it added nothing except a tease. It promised far more. An update is sooner expected. In fact when it says part 4. It's because it is due sooner. Zip has been relatively regular. About every 4 months. Dumbass

Yes... welcome to the fresh group of new Zip subscribers. Enjoy this nice moment of update because it passes quickly.

 

[Milmurnir]

No one attacked Zip immediately after the subscription change.. it was only me who noticed that he limited the number of subscriptions for one dollar and it happened relatively recently. For me it is one of the proofs that he is only cutting coupons and maximizing the source of income but no one here on the forum has brought it up in the general criticism. This is just another incriminating evidence against Zip but nothing groundbreaking.
Yes.. breaking promises is not evidence.. it is becoming increasingly difficult for me to discuss with you.



Yes.. an incredible coincidence. And twice in a row in the same period of time. I will not mention the progress of the update counted in percentages. I refer you to subscribe star Zip. All posts have been preserved and will save me writing.




So? Can you cheat someone without breaking the law? You can. That's called immoral behavior.

You keep repeating the same points to me. You're conflating direct evidence with circumstantial evidence.

• Direct evidence: A documented act violating specific agreements.
• Circumstantial evidence: Broken promises and missed deadlines.

Zip changed his subscription policy—this wasn't a violation, understand that. It's merely a red flag warranting caution, nothing more. This doesn't constitute proof to label someone a fraudster. Comprehend this: you're citing the same circumstantial points repeatedly.

You cannot accuse someone of fraud on this basis. If you persist, these are:

1. False allegations
2. Defamatory to one's honor and dignity
   (Legally actionable—a pre-trial cease-and-desist could be filed.)

I need prove nothing. Why convince me? I'm a non-stakeholder—a free-content consumer. I've stated this repeatedly, including what actually qualifies as fraud evidence versus what doesn't.

 

[Sid01]

You keep repeating the same points to me. You're conflating direct evidence with circumstantial evidence.

• Direct evidence: A documented act violating specific agreements.
• Circumstantial evidence: Broken promises and missed deadlines.

Zip changed his subscription policy—this wasn't a violation, understand that. It's merely a red flag warranting caution, nothing more. This doesn't constitute proof to label someone a fraudster. Comprehend this: you're citing the same circumstantial points repeatedly.

You cannot accuse someone of fraud on this basis. If you persist, these are:

1. False allegations
2. Defamatory to one's honor and dignity
   (Legally actionable—a pre-trial cease-and-desist could be filed.)

I need prove nothing. Why convince me? I'm a non-stakeholder—a free-content consumer. I've stated this repeatedly, including what actually qualifies as fraud evidence versus what doesn't.

I don't know what you're on about, man. I clearly wrote that Zip didn't break the law and my intention is not to gather evidence for strictly legal purposes. All I'm doing is criticizing immoral behavior. Are you a lawyer, too?

 

[Milmurnir]

I don't know what you're on about, man. I clearly wrote that Zip didn't break the law and my intention is not to gather evidence for strictly legal purposes. All I'm doing is criticizing immoral behavior. Are you a lawyer, too?

Frankly, there exist emotionally volatile persons who might engage in this behavior.
Calling someone a scammer risks provoking lawsuits in this hyper-sensitive era. Even if justified, false claims are legally actionable. Some people will sue—win or lose, you'll waste money

 

[James8585]

Yes... welcome to the fresh group of new Zip subscribers. Enjoy this nice moment of update because it passes quickly.

I subbed because go on and tell the fucking class please? Please tell me the average of Zip's updates per year? Last year he updated an average of how many times? This was with Patreon going woke. He swapped platforms, changed the name, memoirs, and updated how many times? Explain it. You have nothing to complain about. Apart from the downtime over the holidays from the last Lucy exclusive update, perhaps it was extended, and what came back was this, where an update, the 4th part is due. Obviously it is due, it says the next update, part 4. Really obvious. He has kept up rhetoric, a bunch of notes and pictures on the current platform it's operating from. He adds content on his progression regularly.

Stop being a dweeb. The average was 3 updates a year. Previously it was 2. I cannot recall. Last year there were 3 I think. Memoirs, changed name, an update before it changed name. Then the Lucy update.

 

[Sid01]

Frankly, there exist emotionally volatile persons who might engage in this behavior.
Calling someone a scammer risks provoking lawsuits in this hyper-sensitive era. Even if justified, false claims are legally actionable. Some people will sue—win or lose, you'll waste money

Oh so you're the lawyer sent by Zip. Have you gathered enough incriminating evidence yet? Aren't you the one threatening to harass me with phone calls?

 

[Sid01]

I subbed because go on and tell the fucking class please? Please tell me the average of Zip's updates per year? Last year he updated an average of how many times? This was with Patreon going woke. He swapped platforms, changed the name, memoirs, and updated how many times? Explain it. You have nothing to complain about. Apart from the downtime over the holidays from the last Lucy exclusive update, perhaps it was extended, and what came back was this, where an update, the 4th part is due. Obviously it is due, it says the next update, part 4. Really obvious. He has kept up rhetoric, a bunch of notes and pictures on the current platform it's operating from. He adds content on his progression regularly.

Stop being a dweeb. The average was 3 updates a year. Previously it was 2 . I cannot recall. Last year there were 3 I think. Memoirs. Changed name, an update before it changed name. Then the Lucy update.

There were two updates last year. About 5-6 scenes. Much less than he promised. If you have access to subscriber you can analyze everything.

 

[Milmurnir]

Oh so you're the lawyer sent by Zip. Have you gathered enough incriminating evidence yet? Aren't you the one threatening to harass me with phone calls?

I’ll clarify: They could easily find your comment and take it to a law firm. If defamation is proven, the offender typically ends up paying fines. But! The legal costs alone are astronomical—even if the case is subjective. I’m not exaggerating.

Fun fact: Harassment via calls also carries administrative penalties. For underage trolls, their parents foot the bill. There’s a perverse satisfaction in watching these play out in strict, orthodox households. I genuinely feel for those kids—their parents don’t hold back on punishment

 

[James8585]

There were two updates last year. About 5-6 scenes. Much less than he promised. If you have access to subscriber you can analyze everything.

No. There were three. 2 under the present heading Memoirs, and one directly before. Patreon went woke in Spring. I know because I had, my computer changed, at Xmas, the former version. RAince also had an update last year before it went woke.

 

[Sid01]

I’ll clarify: They could easily find your comment and take it to a law firm. If defamation is proven, the offender typically ends up paying fines. But! The legal costs alone are astronomical—even if the case is subjective. I’m not exaggerating.

Fun fact: Harassment via calls also carries administrative penalties. For underage trolls, their parents foot the bill. There’s a perverse satisfaction in watching these play out in strict, orthodox households. I genuinely feel for those kids—their parents don’t hold back on punishment

It's much more complicated than you think. First of all, these would have to be accusations against specific people. Name and surname, not some Zip or some SId.

 

[Milmurnir]

It's much more complicated than you think. First of all, these would have to be accusations against specific people. Name and surname, not some Zip or some SId.

Yeah, that's correct. But you've got to remember laws vary by state. Plus there's how lawyers can twist things in court. Ugh... I've seen so many completely ridiculous, messed-up cases.

 

[Sid01]

Yeah, that's correct. But you've got to remember laws vary by state. Plus there's how lawyers can twist things in court. Ugh... I've seen so many completely ridiculous, messed-up cases.

I don't know how it is in the States, I'm from Europe . Besides, I haven't heard of such cases going beyond the borders of one country. It's too complicated legally.

 

[Milmurnir]

I don't know how it is in the States, I'm from Europe . Besides, I haven't heard of such cases going beyond the borders of one country. It's too complicated legally.

The process is extraordinarily complex and, crucially, financially prohibitive. Such actions are only undertaken by mentally unstable individuals lacking proper oversight - usually parents or legal guardians.

 

[Sid01]

The process is extraordinarily complex and, crucially, financially prohibitive. Such actions are only undertaken by mentally unstable individuals lacking proper oversight - usually parents or legal guardians.

I believe in your word.

 

[James8585]

Yeah, that's correct. But you've got to remember laws vary by state. Plus there's how lawyers can twist things in court. Ugh... I've seen so many completely ridiculous, messed-up cases.

What are they suing and under what warrant? To obtain the warrant would mean data rights turned over, and then extradition if he isn't a citizen, or compliance with international police, and for what violation has this occurred? Instead a platform makes up rules or censors content. Rather than turning over data, like names and addresses, of course if serious crime like terrorism, human trafficking, smuggling, etc has occurred they often have to comply with warrants. Where is the company even located?

What nonsense was this even about? You can get refunded directly from the site, or you can get your bank to block the transactions by suggesting fraud occurred. They'll pursue refunds easier, if the site/dev won't.

Patreon supposedly dropped a lot of dev's who it was happening with. Not all, plenty of deads on that site with pages.

WTF are we discussing court on a porn game for? It's absurd. Wahaaaa didn't get an update yet call the care police? Real crime is phone games. Real crime. Extorting, racketeering, AI bots, coercing, rigging. Yet some how like online gambling it is legal? It's worse than online gambling. Online gambling doesn't sell to kids. Phone games have no limit on their transactions. They use bots to rig all the prizes, dev teams exploit the games and actively kick and attack anybody not purchasing, they use scammers to target players purchasing, sending nude pictures of women to get more details and investment. The care police allow it?

 

[Teslaplane8]

 

[Sid01]

No. There were three. 2 under the present heading Memoirs, and one directly before. Patreon went woke in Spring. I know because I had, my computer changed, at Xmas, the former version. RAince also had an update last year before it went woke.

You're probably right. The plan was to have one, but Zip traditionally didn't meet the deadlines and had to split it into smaller ones.