Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.40] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Nimbus Commando]

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And this is where my methodology of not to paying much attention to updates. Saves me from a lot of headaches. From mmos, to regular games, to now the poon. Lot harder to be disappointed when you don't know shit went wrong. And by the time I've noticed, I've probably already adapted. Whole thing sounds 32 flavors of retarded. But if I'm being honest. Sometimes it ain't even the dumb actions taken. It's the sheer stupid that goes into it. That folks spent time thinking, writing, and coding this stuff. Then when finished, looked back and thought to themselves. Yea... this is the good stuff. Of all the things we could spend time on and give our players. This is definitely what they would want. And I'm sure some would.... but I bet a lot more would've looked at them funny. If they knew upfront.




But all this stuff is why I referred to you as loremaster. I have learned soooo much fuck shit from reading your posts. I mean, I learn a lot from many posts in general. But you in particular have been invaluable. Even throw in stuff from TiTS to add into my Book of Fuckery.

That is a pure dumpster fire, holy shit who the fuck wanted that shit.

 

[Nidabutt]

Her death could be good.

Damn, that's a bit harsh but I understand.

Your urge to see Kalysea cuck your PC and steal your companions is so powerful that without her dead you'll almost certainly commission that content yourself. Not my kind of thing personally but to each their own. I wish you the best of luck with that.

 

[Nimbus Commando]

Damn, that's a bit harsh but I understand.

Your urge to see Kalysea cuck your PC and steal your companions is so powerful that without her dead you'll almost certainly commission that content yourself. Not my kind of thing personally but to each their own. I wish you the best of luck with that.

No, thanks Bro.

 

[Jbuster]

Honestly? Give the guy the reigns of the whole project. Someone in this that can make you laugh with him is rare and must be properly rewarded.



Well, to be fair, if you want a canonical reason, I'll let a WWE Hall of Famer sum it up.




Is it really too much to ask for the lesbian couple to actually evolve naturally and not, you know, jump to lesbian fanfic just because the writer wanted that and nobody contemplated holding the damn horses on it so the result would actually be more compelling?

Hell, how about instead of just having the wasp lady go "PC, can you tell that generic knight I want to scissor her tenderly in bed?", you have them interact throughout the game and then, by the time you bring Garth's wife back, the wasp comes and tells to the PC the situation.

"I'm romantically interested in the generic knight but because I'm shy, I'm still not entirely sure on whether I should pop the question or not."

You can then either encourage her or decline. If you encourage her, she returns a while back and tells you that the generic knight isn't interested in sharing, which is why they haven't fully managed to start the relationship but she does feel she likes the generic knight more for whatever reason.

You then pick on whether you'll just encourage her to go with the generic knight or disencourage her because "the knight is too jealous" or whatever. Shit ain't difficult, you just got to, you know, actually fucking work it out. That way, you'd have two notable characters and not a fucking NPC I can't even recall the name of (was it Lienda?) and a companion I barely give a shit about.

Shitposters shall inherit the earth, I'm doing my part

Me when Nakano wants to share his new poem with his grandma



And that's the thing, romance isn't a hard to write genre but it does require at minimum some build up in order to get you invested, with this we are just in the middle. Maybe if there was some real issues with them dating I would be more interested but there are not. Azzy is just shy and then they are jumping each other while you watch from the door

Somehow, failing to be a gold star lesbian is grounds to think a character is an awful unenjoyable lesbian romance option. Sort of like the people who go nuts about entirely avoidable signposted NTR. It's not about it being good or bad writing, it's about being possessive.

I don't know what gold star lesbian means I just think the whole thing is boring and feels out of place because, you know, fantasy sex land having the same issues as us, which is silly. It ain't that deep

It's pretty obvious what's going on. Strawmanning is Savin and friends' numero uno argument. Oh you don't like this character that's a modern day lesbian inserted into this fantasy world? You obviously are just a misogynist who's seething about "Fucking dykes!11!" in their games. You don't like futadom #69420? You obviously just want to bitch and moan and have the game only cater to straight men.

It's hilarious how fucking willfully ignorant you have to be to seriously believe this shit. Don't feed me "ItS OpTioNAL iTs AvoIDablE!11" line either, because firstly, it still takes time and effort on the writers to write and code this stuff in. Secondly, this compromises a large part of content that's otherwise walled off from the player. Thirdly, no one has an issue with characters being for one sexuality or kink, it's when it's something like suddenly shoving a menage a trois onto us where one partner is explicitly into one type of gender. The writers have neither the ability or will to explore this sort of scenario in a manner it deserves.

And you know, I recall hearing a lot of players who play female champs and they always say how much a disappointment Kiyoko is, because without doing her preg content, she's just there. Hmm... Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Sounds a lot like a certain someone who's been the subject of this whole discussion...

I never once jumped at them with "Well, she's not for you, chud! Stop imposing yourself onto her preferences!" I do think it's a flaw that Kiyoko isn't catered better to female champs. And you know... She's a fictional character. I've seen people write fanfics where she cheats on her husband, has sex with a wolf, etc. And while I think those are certainly out of character for her, I'm not going to blow up on the author's DMs about how dare they write this character this way.

It's the same tired shit from the very beginning of this game's development. People ascribing actual feelings to fictional characters like they're real people. "The game's not about you, you don't own these characters" "It's unfair for the champ to have multiple lovers and expect the NPCs to be exclusive" "This character you loved is now retconned with new traits, you better like it or else you're a dehumanizing piece of shit" But we're the schizos for complaining about it.

Oh, and for the record I do like Evelyn. My favorite type of women are strong "girlboss" women. From Morgan Le Fay from Fate, Kiryuin Satsuki from Kill La Kill, Makima from Chainsaw Man, all the way to Heather Chandler from Heathers. It's always been my favorite archetype. Before anyone gets the idea I'm just a woman hating asshole who wants to control these poor NPCs because I'm an incel or some shit.

Incel champion with all the sex options locked from the beginning while everyone else is still part of the massive orgy that is Savarra would be a wild concept to apply, hope we someday get that just for the fun of it

I'm not even against of the concept of npc having their own thing going on if that helps to make their world seems fuller, it's a nice idea when it works, gives the whole thing much more deep. Dunno, maybe if thing were less sudden and she talked way less like tumblr incarnated I would like her more, and I don't even dislike her

 

[Skandranon]

I've said this before, but I don't think there's anything wrong with Liaden content in and of itself ( other than Liaden is kinda boring).

The REAL problem is Azzy doesn't have any other content. It's that and the dragon spear, which just is really an attitude change.

Where the quest to expand or rebuild the hive after whatever Kass did? Or a quest to explore what being a 'knight' means to Azzy? Or something exploring how she feels outside her hive away from her masses of brothers and sisters?

Why is her *only* content tied to Liaden? That's the issue. If she had a couple of quests, some more background stuff, some dates or something even...this wouldn't be an issue, for me at least.

I actually really like Azzy. I don't even care if Liaden is glued to her at the hips I'd just like more content actually about Azzy.

 

[K1ng_C00mer]

Incel champion with all the sex options locked from the beginning while everyone else is still part of the massive orgy that is Savarra would be a wild concept to apply, hope we someday get that just for the fun of it

I'm not even against of the concept of npc having their own thing going on if that helps to make their world seems fuller, it's a nice idea when it works, gives the whole thing much more deep. Dunno, maybe if thing were less sudden and she talked way less like tumblr incarnated I would like her more, and I don't even dislike her

A gold star lesbian is a lesbian who never had sex with a man, for reference. Which makes even less sense now that I think about it because no one is upset that Azzy's not a "gold star lesbian", I legit don't know where that person even got that impression that that was the issue here, but I've beaten that horse enough...

To your point, I think TiTs and CoC did it best where it was mainly side characters that had preferences. And yeah, if Azzy was outright someone who was openly polyamorous from the get go, and Liaden wasn't exclusively a lesbian, I wouldn't have an issue with things as it were. The problem is, just like how Alypia took over Etheryn and made her her little waifu wooby who could do no wrong, SkoW took Azzy and made her an object of her sapphic love triangle that falls apart the minute the PC isn't identifying as a female.

And like I said before, SkoW has a way of writing scenes like they're straight out of a yuri slashfic that I personally despise. Even when it's scenes with non-lesbians. Compare orb Kiyoko's pregnancy scenes with Aileh's pregnancy scenes if you want to understand my point. I freely admit this is my own bias here, you might think I'm just being retarded, and you might be correct. You've got Kas showing up and gushing about being a grandma and it's like... Hello? Doesn't this feel a bit out of place here?

 

[MoneyMan181]

I freely admit this is my own bias here, you might think I'm just being retarded, and you might be correct. You've got Kas showing up and gushing about being a grandma and it's like... Hello? Doesn't this feel a bit out of place here?

You're retarded /j

But seriously, being a mother is like Kas's number one goal so her getting emotional about having a grandchild doesn't seem weird to me. Any other character combination it'd be strange, but it actually fits there.

Completely correct about his writing style though, it feels very juvenile most of the time.

 

[GamingSavant]

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And this is where my methodology of not to paying much attention to updates. Saves me from a lot of headaches. From mmos, to regular games, to now the poon. Lot harder to be disappointed when you don't know shit went wrong. And by the time I've noticed, I've probably already adapted. Whole thing sounds 32 flavors of retarded. But if I'm being honest. Sometimes it ain't even the dumb actions taken. It's the sheer stupid that goes into it. That folks spent time thinking, writing, and coding this stuff. Then when finished, looked back and thought to themselves. Yea... this is the good stuff. Of all the things we could spend time on and give our players. This is definitely what they would want. And I'm sure some would.... but I bet a lot more would've looked at them funny. If they knew upfront.




But all this stuff is why I referred to you as loremaster. I have learned soooo much fuck shit from reading your posts. I mean, I learn a lot from many posts in general. But you in particular have been invaluable. Even throw in stuff from TiTS to add into my Book of Fuckery.

this is why I take stuff from writers I'm middle-of-the-road on like SKoW, B, or TOBS with neutral enthusiasm. B feels like I have to read a novel every time that dictates every emotion of how my character is supposed to feel, SKoW can be good but then really bad like the above case, and Tobs just writes some of the cheesiest anime dumb shit you can possibly think of. Savin and WSan are pretty much what I show some interest in, with Savin having more ups than downs and WSan basically producing fire every submission. JStar has grown as a writer too and I was actually quite impressed with the updates to Drifa.

 

[Jbuster]

A gold star lesbian is a lesbian who never had sex with a man, for reference. Which makes even less sense now that I think about it because no one is upset that Azzy's not a "gold star lesbian", I legit don't know where that person even got that impression that that was the issue here, but I've beaten that horse enough...

To your point, I think TiTs and CoC did it best where it was mainly side characters that had preferences. And yeah, if Azzy was outright someone who was openly polyamorous from the get go, and Liaden wasn't exclusively a lesbian, I wouldn't have an issue with things as it were. The problem is, just like how Alypia took over Etheryn and made her her little waifu wooby who could do no wrong, SkoW took Azzy and made her an object of her sapphic love triangle that falls apart the minute the PC isn't identifying as a female.

And like I said before, SkoW has a way of writing scenes like they're straight out of a yuri slashfic that I personally despise. Even when it's scenes with non-lesbians. Compare orb Kiyoko's pregnancy scenes with Aileh's pregnancy scenes if you want to understand my point. I freely admit this is my own bias here, you might think I'm just being retarded, and you might be correct. You've got Kas showing up and gushing about being a grandma and it's like... Hello? Doesn't this feel a bit out of place here?

Only time I ever wrote one of those yuri slashfics was a little witch academia ntr, because I was bored, but man, I'm never looking at those in the same way from now on

Still, Skan made a good point before, after doing the wasp colony quest every other activity involving Azzy feels like filler. Azzy becomes her relationship and without that relationship she's less

 

[MarvintheBee]

Where the quest to expand or rebuild the hive after whatever Kass did? Or a quest to explore what being a 'knight' means to Azzy? Or something exploring how she feels outside her hive away from her masses of brothers and sisters?

Why is her *only* content tied to Liaden? That's the issue. If she had a couple of quests, some more background stuff, some dates or something even...this wouldn't be an issue, for me at least.

Yes, please give us some companion expansions. Like holy shit, some of them are so barebones, some followers have more content than them.
It's just sad to see.

That reminds me, in the document you have linked, basically all the shit there I could find a source for.
Except this:

Do you remember where you got this information?

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

this is why I take stuff from writers I'm middle-of-the-road on like SKoW, B, or TOBS with neutral enthusiasm. B feels like I have to read a novel every time that dictates every emotion of how my character is supposed to feel, SKoW can be good but then really bad like the above case, and Tobs just writes some of the cheesiest anime dumb shit you can possibly think of. Savin and WSan are pretty much what I show some interest in, with Savin having more ups than downs and WSan basically producing fire every submission. JStar has grown as a writer too and I was actually quite impressed with the updates to Drifa.

I'm generally middle of the road on everyone. Because no matter how good they may write in general. Even if something ultimately tickles my pickle. They all eventually do the same thing. That is absolutely rustling my jimmies. Too much exposition and added flair to said exposition. Some worse then others. But ever since I started to play again. I've become hyper aware of just how much unnecessary fluff there is. I've found myself pausing every once in a while. Just to mentally edit things, seeing how much could be cut away. I find myself with such a strong urge to just do it. My great modding undertaking and contribution.

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But I suppose on the upside! There is enough quests and characters that I find interesting enough. To where not even the verbose writing will stop my enjoyment.... at least for the most part. I miss a lot of content, but that's ok! It's there if ever I want it.

 

[GamingSavant]

Yes, please give us some companion expansions. Like holy shit, some of them are so barebones, some followers have more content than them.
It's just sad to see.

That reminds me, in the document you have linked, basically all the shit there I could find a source for.
Except this:
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Do you remember where you got this information?

Viviane is so bare bones I'm actually shocked they gave her a new companion set not long ago. I feel if anyone needs an expansion desperately among the companions it's her.

@ ChubbyFatBoy

The main reason I do that questline for Cait is it expands out several other things including more stuff for Kas, who the game focuses on, so I don't want to miss anything important on a playthrough by potentially skipping a key event. Also after the first playthrough it's just literally skipping dialogue pages lol. One reason I try to throw Savin a bone is cuz the guy is overloaded on work he does between partial community management, head developer for CoC2, head writer for CoC2, and also a big writer for TiTS besides that.

I don't agree with all his decisions or attitude at times but I give credit where it's due, but some people here (won't name names, they know who they are) view that as "dick riding" when I lay out facts instead of join in on hating on what he does.

 

[madyo]

Check out Trials in Tainted Space.

wait it has that? does it has better femalce protagonist corruption and more male npc domination?

 

[Jbuster]

wait it has that? does it has better femalce protagonist corruption and more male npc domination?

There's one guy in TiTS who can join your ship and he's full maledom, he's the guy you're aiming for

Edit; yes to all of that, look for it here in the forum only difference is that in TiTS there's taint, depending on how much transformations and freaky tainted sex you have, while in CoC2 there's corruption and they are kind of the same thing

 

[DoodlesTheBob]

A gold star lesbian is a lesbian who never had sex with a man, for reference. Which makes even less sense now that I think about it because no one is upset that Azzy's not a "gold star lesbian", I legit don't know where that person even got that impression that that was the issue here, but I've beaten that horse enough...

To your point, I think TiTs and CoC did it best where it was mainly side characters that had preferences. And yeah, if Azzy was outright someone who was openly polyamorous from the get go, and Liaden wasn't exclusively a lesbian, I wouldn't have an issue with things as it were. The problem is, just like how Alypia took over Etheryn and made her her little waifu wooby who could do no wrong, SkoW took Azzy and made her an object of her sapphic love triangle that falls apart the minute the PC isn't identifying as a female.

And like I said before, SkoW has a way of writing scenes like they're straight out of a yuri slashfic that I personally despise. Even when it's scenes with non-lesbians. Compare orb Kiyoko's pregnancy scenes with Aileh's pregnancy scenes if you want to understand my point. I freely admit this is my own bias here, you might think I'm just being retarded, and you might be correct. You've got Kas showing up and gushing about being a grandma and it's like... Hello? Doesn't this feel a bit out of place here?

I'm referencing the person/poster who was posting that straights are trying to ruin characters for the gay women in the audience by asking for penis inclusion. The logic follows, they're saying that if the character was to have sex with a traditional masculine identity and body, that character would be ruined. This means they're expecting that character to remain a gold star lesbian in every iteration, every play-through.

 

[FurrBat]

Viviane is so bare bones I'm actually shocked they gave her a new companion set not long ago.

Not gonna lie for quite a while I forgot Viv even was a companion.
Honorary mention to companion who got much content lately(not) :
"Must have been the wind" Quinn
Atugia gets a pass as she got that flashback quest that I nearly forgot about.

 

[InquisitorTobi]

Damn, that's a bit harsh but I understand.

Your urge to see Kalysea cuck your PC and steal your companions is so powerful that without her dead you'll almost certainly commission that content yourself. Not my kind of thing personally but to each their own. I wish you the best of luck with that.

Lmao thinking anyone would commission this when there's already a mod for the game. All people gotta do is wait and eventually someone gonna get around to writing it.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

That is a pure dumpster fire, holy shit who the fuck wanted that shit.

Savin of course, he's the main cuck on the team.

 

[namelessdudewithnoname]

So what exactly is coming this May?

 

[Alterism]

And you know, I recall hearing a lot of players who play female champs and they always say how much a disappointment Kiyoko is, because without doing her preg content, she's just there. Hmm... Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Sounds a lot like a certain someone who's been the subject of this whole discussion...

I'm still a bit flim flammed that B was blocked from letting Zo have a f/f pregnancy.
But, heck. I've wailed enough about that to last a lifetime.

Why is her *only* content tied to Liaden? That's the issue. If she had a couple of quests, some more background stuff, some dates or something even...this wouldn't be an issue, for me at least.

You're preaching to the choir.

I've "occasionally" (queue sarcasm) belly ache'd (queue understatement) that the only content Eubicha has seen is watching her get run through by ensemble of futadommes in a wailing cacophony. I think it's probably a running gag at this point.

Jael'yn isn't in a much different boat. Her last update was her having a thing with Daliza. The only silver lining being that Daliza herself was written by Savin and so has character and characterization pretty much locked in. One of the better things about Savin is that he tries to make his characters have an existence beyond vocation. And~

I don't think it's yet been long enough for another, 'Alterism praises Savin to the annoyed groans of the thread yet again' episode. Maybe next month.

I'm not even against of the concept of npc having their own thing going on if that helps to make their world seems fuller, it's a nice idea when it works, gives the whole thing much more deep. Dunno, maybe if thing were less sudden and she talked way less like tumblr incarnated I would like her more, and I don't even dislike her

If you make the characters characters I'm not going to raise an eyebrow. There's a lot of couples in the game or romances in the game you won't see me toss tomatoes at.
The only pre-jigged relationship I've sided-eyed is Gweyr. An entire quest for one (ONE) 'consensual' sex scene. Which is just watching Garth get pegged.

Livrea fucks her friends and I still warmed to the character because she has character.
Random guard gets a blowjob by maid at table while talking to you? I can't work with that.

And then there's... the maids. The mishandling of which (we're 0 for 2 right now) is the cause of my villain origin story.
I'm only half kidding.