Nerttu

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Your choises with Tracy during the game gives good or bad ending. It is simple like that. Play game and see witch ending you get. If you get bad ending, Tracy`s TRUST is not high enough. Read my post JUST above yours.
 

Kaelthas

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Great thoughts. Alice moved her way up to favorite girl for me. I'm looking forward to see how it resolves. I'm guessing choices will determine Mom and Alice's fates. Mom did meet the Doctor after all, at least twice, without any "apparent" consequences. I wonder how things will play out with Dad.
Maybe Dad is the Head of order
 

Ennoch

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Did we get a confirmation that tracy died ?
I think the correct answer is: Tracy dies on a certain route. Sure, that route is pretty much the easiest one to end up being on because actually a single choice in an earlier episode will lead us to it, regardless of any other options throughout all the episodes. But still, its an optional route.
 

derdiedas1

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I'm getting this error after "Time to go to Aby's place, now that I have the key from Tracy". I already searched for a fix but I didn't find anything. I reloaded different saves, I redownloaded the game 4 times and (3 times from Win: MEGA and once from Win: NOPY). Can someone help me fix this please?
 

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You loaded an old save in just the wrong place.

There's an easy fix. Get the unofficial patch in the OP, or do it yourself by opening your save, then opening the console and typing:
navigation = Navigation()
time = "Morning"

FYI, you could find this yourself by searching for "navigation" in this thread. Type navigation into the search box in the top right, and click "Search this thread only"
 

derdiedas1

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You loaded an old save in just the wrong place.

There's an easy fix. Get the unofficial patch in the OP, or do it yourself by opening your save, then opening the console and typing:
navigation = Navigation()
time = "Morning"

FYI, you could find this yourself by searching for "navigation" in this thread. Type navigation into the search box in the top right, and click "Search this thread only"
it worked, thanks!
 

Walter Victor

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If Tracy is/was the heroine, it follows that Alice is the villain. Tracy tried to keep Alice away from the MC for a reason. And Alice has done things that would lend to that conclusion, as others have noted. She may have been forced into this, or not. Only the final episode will show us the truth. By the way, Aby may not be a part of the Order. Her conversation with Alice indicates that Aby really know what is going on.

I just reread the walkthrough instructions for Episode 8, where it indicates that the choice of whether to follow Nora or go on a date with Aby is an important decision. Since it hasn't made much of a difference, so far, I fear it will make a big difference in the finale, and I will have to do a lot of replaying. :)
 

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If Tracy is/was the heroine, it follows that Alice is the villain. Tracy tried to keep Alice away from the MC for a reason.
Was it that she was specifically trying to keep the two of them apart, or was it just a case of, she wanted to keep the entire family apart (Stashing Alice at Aunt Jenna's and her brother at military school) as a means of making sure she didn't have all her "eggs" (as it were) in one basket?

I've never gotten the impression that Tracy suspects Alice of anything, and while there might have been a few things here and there that are supposed to lead us to believe that Alice is in some way involved in all this, it's been subtle enough that it's pretty easy to miss. Really, the picture with her and Aby is the first thing I can think of that got my suspicions up. Certainly, I haven't seen anything about her behavior that makes me think something's wrong, though I suppose we could just have a total Manchurian Candidate situation waiting to blow up on us here.
 

Walter Victor

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Vordertur, nothing could make me happier than to have Alice completely innocent of any involvement with the Order. What concerns me most, though, is the fact that from the beginning, Alice was painted as an angel, and Tracy, a devil. It is only recently we found out that Tracy is really a force for good. So, where, if you consider the inevitable plot twist in any good work of fiction, does that leave Alice? Perhaps Alice is working with the Order because they promised to cure her father. Who knows? Only Dr Sin [or maybe The Shadow] knows.
 

Cicero72

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Vordertur, nothing could make me happier than to have Alice completely innocent of any involvement with the Order. What concerns me most, though, is the fact that from the beginning, Alice was painted as an angel, and Tracy, a devil. It is only recently we found out that Tracy is really a force for good. So, where, if you consider the inevitable plot twist in any good work of fiction, does that leave Alice? Perhaps Alice is working with the Order because they promised to cure her father. Who knows? Only Dr Sin [or maybe The Shadow] knows.
I'm guessing there will be reveal with Alice and Mom. I'm interested to see what they might be. My sense is that Alice is being manipulated or controlled, and she might not know it. It's hard to say to what extent. I'm hoping the essence confirms that Alice loves the MC. I'm also wondering if we'll see the nameless guy from the party.
 

Vordertur

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What concerns me most, though, is the fact that from the beginning, Alice was painted as an angel, and Tracy, a devil. It is only recently we found out that Tracy is really a force for good. So, where, if you consider the inevitable plot twist in any good work of fiction, does that leave Alice?
I certainly see your point. For what it's worth, I always felt that Tracy being set up from the beginning as "the baddie" was such an obvious ploy that it had to be a red herring. She's bitchy to the main character, she's secretive, she's X, Y, Z... it's like a checklist. She might as well have been wearing a sandwich board that says "I totally look like I'm in cahoots with the bad guys, don't I? But pay close attention, and you'll pick up a thing or two which'll make you think that eventually there'll be some kind of twist and it'll turn out I was innocent of wrongdoing all along."

And as it turns out, yeah, that was the case.

Thing is, I feel like if they were going to do something similar with Alice but in reverse, there should have been a little more telegraphing. She's portrayed as just good and pure with no real hints that there's something not quite kosher about her.

That being said, Jenna and her mysteeeeeerious background seems a little too obvious, as does Aby's being essentially thrust at the player. To me, Aby is like a too-obvious attempt at a Trojan horse which makes me almost think that she can't be the Order's Ace in the Hole, either. And yet, the idea that they had a long-running agent slipped in close to Tracy (remember that she's Tracy's BFF) to throw Tracy off the scent, keep her away from finding out useful info, etc. Well... yeah. I wonder.

Wheels within wheels, within wheels.

Or, you know, i could just be reading waaaaaay too much into everything.

Entirely possible.

But damn fun.
 

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Hi all - I've just made a big update to the mod. Now has a Replay Gallery Unlocker so you can see all scenes with all characters, and has ability to toggle variables so you can see all content variations of scenes that have it. Also has some more dialogue corrections and features from @HooDat.

 

troll822

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Thing is, I feel like if they were going to do something similar with Alice but in reverse, there should have been a little more telegraphing. She's portrayed as just good and pure with no real hints that there's something not quite kosher about her.

That being said, Jenna and her mysteeeeeerious background seems a little too obvious, as does Aby's being essentially thrust at the player. To me, Aby is like a too-obvious attempt at a Trojan horse which makes me almost think that she can't be the Order's Ace in the Hole, either. And yet, the idea that they had a long-running agent slipped in close to Tracy (remember that she's Tracy's BFF) to throw Tracy off the scent, keep her away from finding out useful info, etc. Well... yeah. I wonder.

Wheels within wheels, within wheels.

Or, you know, i could just be reading waaaaaay too much into everything.

Entirely possible.

But damn fun.
Well, Alice's dreams in EP10, the phone call to Aby, how she is secretly a friend of Aby (Aby has her pic, not Tracy's) are kinda letting us know that Alice is not as innocent.
I would dare say that either the father sent the first email to MC or Alice, both for reasons of their own that may not be altruistic.
 

Walter Victor

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If the father is involved, the possibility also exists that Mrs. Turner/Mom is involved, with or without Alice. We have several hints of that, especially in the dream sequences. We have lots of clues involving all the ladies. But many or all of them may be red herrings. It is fun to speculate, but probably futile.

I'm just worried that I will have to redo too many of my paths! :)
 
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