I released a new game called "Tifa's Dark Heaven"... How would you prefer this month updates to be?


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Sieglinnde

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Interesting.
Always fascinating seeing some people hating on “cheating slut” in NTR games.
It's like hating NTR for NTR. Or hating the reason that gets you interested in the game. Beautiful girl fucks with pleasure. As she should, especially considering given permission.

I am, for one, very happy that NTR is relatively popular and available. Beautiful (if) women fucking with many men around is what makes the game so desirable in the first place. This, and not some plain vanilla harem game with no burning emotions or real agency of lustful women.
I advise you not to give attention to that "alex220477", he is someone who has created multiple, multiple accounts to give bad reviews to NTR games in general, and have been given me a lot of bad reviews with other accounts as well in my games... It is very, very sad
 

Joshy92

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I really like the new picture in the OP. Ariana winking like that is super hot.

I want to worship her so much.
 

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Also, I just wanted to make a statement.
I personally have not seen much "NTR hate" in this thread. And I wonder to be honest if your black-and-white staement really grasps the nuances of the discussion and the game here. I myself for example have stated that I want the NTR route, that I love good cheating stories that I dont see a problem on a moral level and that I like Ari to be a slut. Nevertheless you critizesed me for questioning the plausibility of her simply fucking around they way she did in the update. Maybe you view that already as slut-shaming which it isn't.
In my opinion you are conflating two very distinct discussions:
1. People, who don't want girls in porn games being promiscuous and cheating, often arguing morally against that. Also they see that on principle as a violation of the alpha role in men, and they don't get a kik out of it (which one should accept though, people are different). They don't want to imagine being in a position where their girl breaks out of a monogamous relationship. They don't want this kind of uncontrolled and forced competition. Also they have a certain image of girls in general, which includes innocence and reliability (not necessarily submissiveness which is very well compatible to the slut). Again - I wom't judge them for that like you do, even if I don't share it in the context of porn games. But I do know that innocence in girls can be very erotic.
2. People who want her to be a slut but have another conception of being a slut. This is the real discussion here. I hate to break it to you, but what you describe is a certain specific image of slut which pretends to be freed from morals but in fact is totally in line with what society and media dictate today, it is full of moral implications itself: being supposedly daring, free and strong,, and the men not accepting that are negative insecure and jealous - man, speaking of morally loaded shaming language here.
What I conceptualize as "slut", is in contrast not the fullfillment of such a societal ideal but a woman who has to confront and explore her sexuality but has to do that not necessarily and always out of her own free will, who is conflicted about it (this makes for interesting stories), who has a journey with it (starting from innocence and getting more depraved), who is overwhelmed by it and not always on top of it, who gets seduced by it and not always decides and chooses it. In other words: a slut is a woman who REACTS sensually and sexually who is RESPONSIVE and GIVES IN. And who does this regardless of the consequences. WHO CANNOT HELP HERSELF. This defines her, not her being totally self-determined - this is boring and bland. I don't want her to be written like a man, I want a heteosexual tension in my porn games based on different behaviors, this is what makes it interesting. I want her to be human and plausible. Of course sluts can be submissive I would reckon they mostly are. Following your impulses doesn't make you free and strong, in the contrary. But it can be very exciting to watch and be charming but also dangerous to see in a woman.
You speak of Mary Sue. Your concept of slut is the Mary Sue here in porn - the turbo slut which has always been that way totally free, totally fucking around, only driven by free choice and libido. There is no conflict and development there, no problems of power and desire, everything gets instantly acted upon. And you have to accept that "worshipping" is not the way all male users relate erotically to the girls in these games. I don't want to worship sluts, I want to watch them, these are different things. There are things inbetween between worshipping and hate.
So, you like to give warnings to the dev about the development of the game. I don't want to be so dramatic (we talk about porn, in the end) but I see the danger in the opposite extreme: everything becomes a fuckfest of empowered totally "free" and boring slut-Mary Sues. This destroys psychologically nuanced and enganging storylines.
 
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Also, I am anti-woke. So mainstream western anti-male propaganda does not resonate with me positively. Missed shots there.
I am pro-beauty and all for a sexuality positive society. For both females and males, in real fairness.
Direct contradiction there. The second sentence is exactly what western "propaganda" says all the time.
Also I don't get the "fairness" point. Desire has nothing to do with fairness. This is utopian thoughtt. Case in point: I can't see Ari getting with losers, can you? She looks at the alpha males. Is this "fair"?
 
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The definition of slut is a woman that has sex with multiple partners without hard emotional attachment.
This could be a prostitute. Or, if she is not simultaneously in a relationship, if she doesn't cheat, this is the state of a lot of single women in non-traditional societies today. I wouldn't call them sluts. A lot of them don't even like the sex very much. They could simply be lonely. Motives are key here.
 
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The only problem with Ariana is her lies.
But this is central, this is not a bug, it's the feature. You should ask why she lies. She doesn't lie because of some kind of repressive society. She lies because of her inner conflict of motives, she wants security and sexual promiscuity at the same time. she knows she is hurting other persons. She wants her cake and eat it, too. As a said already, it's not a swinger club, there she wouldn't have to lie. Humans don't function the way you paint your "paradise".
 
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Joshy92

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I think some people are focusing too much on the whole Ari cheating or whatever. I mean it's a porn game lets just enjoy either the NTR or the NTS whichever floats your boat.
 

Sieglinnde

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a no personality obedient boring female for insecure, negative and jealous men
Part of the reason why I like to make female characters that behave like Ariana (talking about being slutty) is because, apart from finding it super hot, I really think it's more entertaining... I get really boring with a character like what you mention, that only lives and dies for the protagonist and does all that he wants without having personal decisions and such. I am not saying that is something bad, since obviously some people like it and it's amazing, I am just saying I don't like it and I consider it very boring in general
 

Joshy92

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Part of the reason why I like to make female characters that behave like Ariana (talking about being slutty) is because, apart from finding it super hot, I really think it's more entertaining... I get really boring with a character like what you mention, that only lives and dies for the protagonist and does all that he wants without having personal decisions and such. I am not saying that is something bad, since obviously some people like it and it's amazing, I am just saying I don't like it and I consider it very boring in general
I could be imagining things, but it feels like the MC is slowly starting to better understand his desires and stuff on the sharing path.

The NTS in LTNSI feels like a Japanese game imo and the Japanese do some of the hottest NTS around.
 

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The NTS in LTNSI feels like a Japanese game imo and the Japanese do some of the hottest NTS around.
I agree. And I think that is partly because the Japanese have retained a good feeling for the fact, that a big part of the NTS appeal is the permanent and gradual violation of sensibilities, pushing and breaking of boundaries, the violation of possessive claims, the hurting of emotions, forced self restraint, the different and many stages of acceptance etc. They tend to write it often as a sseries of successive shocks on the side of the MC. And if there are no boundaries, claims and sensibilities to begin with, if they aren't allowed to be there and to be felt at the start of the game, this genre looses.
 
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So there are a total of 4 routes in the game? Vanilla, Sharing, NTR/sharing and sharing sub-route? Can someone give me a rundown of the last three please?
 

Sieglinnde

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People who want her to be a slut but have another conception of being a slut. This is the real discussion here. I hate to break it to you, but what you describe is a certain specific image of slut which pretends to be freed from morals but in fact is totally in line with what society and media dictate today, it is full of moral implications itself: being supposedly daring, free and strong,, and the men not accepting that are negative insecure and jealous
I get what you say, in the part of someone who pretends to be freed for morals but is in line with what society dictates today... Though, you know, isn't that actually normal? In a lot of parts of the game i've shown that Ariana is easily influentiable in certain things... Regarding sex, of course... And this is because she already has a predisposition to really like this kind of thing, so it's understandable... How Mallory influences her in a way when it's all starting, telling her to make MC a cuck and stuff like that. I really think that these kind of things depends on what would you call a "slut", you know?

So, you like to give warnings to the dev about the development of the game. I don't want to be so dramatic (we talk about porn, in the end) but I see the danger in the opposite extreme: everything becomes a fuckfest of empowered totally "free" and boring slut-Mary Sues. This destroys psychologically nuanced and enganging storylines
I get what you say man but you know... You also have to have in mind that, in the full NTR routes, that's what I really want to explore... How much is Ariana (or well, the other women in the game, but mostly Ariana since she is one of the protagonists) willing to do in terms of depravity... She crossed many lines doing it with the dad of the man who used to "bully" MC, but just imagine also doing it with MC father... That is what it makes it hot to me, how far can she go in all this... She gets excited by the idea of being fucked by men like that, and in this routes (well, mainly the NTR/Sharing route) she just doesn't care anymore and wants it all... But still, she doesn't want MC to leave her, she doesn't want him to know, either... And she absolutely don't want him to get hurt, but the thing is that she can't help it and that's it, she just enjoys it... It's like, little by little, becoming more like Pamela. She has this kind of evil thinking and behavior too, where she also gets very horny thinking about how other men with huge cocks fuck her while her boyfriend doesn't know. She doesn't like being in control when these other men (like Nelson) fuck her, because is a different kind of sex, since when she has sex with MC, she usually likes to take the lead...
Also she plays with that as well as what she says to Nelson in this update, you know? Saying things like:
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And While Nelson asks her about her boyfriend while being naked, like if everything was normal... He still goes on her and kiss her, making her horny... That's the point, to see how everything became so depraved

This could be a prostitute. Or, if she is not simultaneously in a relationship, if she doesn't cheat, this is the state of a lot of single women in non-traditional societies today
I don't agree with this man... That takes away all the fun of it, in my opinion... The thing here is seeing a young woman who is very experienced but in fact, she is pretty much faithful and such... And the idea of "something might be happening" it is what makes it hot, because you know she could be capable of "doing it"... You know what I mean? But saying things like "that is just a prostitute" it is just wanting to see things the most basic way possible, like when someone doesn't like how Ariana acts and generally says "she is just a whore, she belongs to streets" and things like that... That isn't fun, man! If you don't like it and have that idea, it's fine, but I invite you to think more deeply on it... See the things that are hot in her... Not simply saying "oh she lies and cheat she's a slut I hate her"
 
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