VN Ren'Py Let the Nightshine In [v0.19 Ch. 2] [Sieglinnde]

[alex220477]

Part of the reason why I like to make female characters that behave like Ariana (talking about being slutty) is because, apart from finding it super hot, I really think it's more entertaining... I get really boring with a character like what you mention, that only lives and dies for the protagonist and does all that he wants without having personal decisions and such. I am not saying that is something bad, since obviously some people like it and it's amazing, I am just saying I don't like it and I consider it very boring in general

all this has to do with making Arianna an independent, open girl, with disrespect to another person who has feelings, you create slutty heroines to create fun, it's porn, so it's fine, but why then create an idiot MC in this context, what's the point of the character who would be of no use, MC would be useful in a similar story if he were actively involved, if he reacted like a MAN, then, the game would have a higher thickness, then we will have two strong characters, instead make a classic, she's a slut, he's an idiot, be careful, no one judges the cuckold side, but making him a human larva, is the most common wrong sin, Ari can fuck and cheat, but Mc can't and Ari is jealous, isn't it another thing that contradicts you, you created a female character with an alpha male character, and you gave MC, the submissive character of girls.

 

[alex220477]

how can Arianna not be a worse whore than the street prostitutes, the street prostitutes are better than Arianna, the real prostitutes are forced, they are threatened, they are desperate, it's respect Arianna they are real poor women who do the forced job, Arianna is ouro evil, she is not open-minded as you want to imply, because, here you are lost, she has a boyfriend, she does not have someone who forces her, she is a sick nymphomaniac, here is the exact word, nymphomaniac, and it is a serious and recognized disease, you talk about eroticism, where do you see eroticism in a character who fucks every cock that passes by, where do you consider Arianna a good girl, she has no respect and sense for anyone, you find it exciting that she fucks Mc's father, hahahah, she is sick, but her father-in-law is a piece of shit, open-minded, sick mentality, eroticism, where, when, eroticism is created with the story, not with a thousand sex scenes galore, with everyone, what eroticism is it, it's just mechanical sex, just like you wrote, Mallory has a push, which is a robot Ari, you press the button and she fucks, this is what you mean with Mallory, this would be erotic, hahahahah, a girl who sees a cock beyond the size of her Mc, and automatically, she fucks him, and she fucks everyone in the game, absolutely everyone, NYMPHOMANIA DEAR dev..

 

[Fitharia]

Will Mallory and Alex become a thing at some point? Just wondering as overall she looks like a way better girl for him, Ari seems no matter what path take always going to extreme, on NTR path she just becomes a complete slut, on Vanilla she becomes a critting jealous and sometimes angry bitch, glad on the NTR/Sharing path can least choose to go to sharing. It very well made and feels often realistic as these things can happen, but yea she doesn't deserve Alex really, she justify it with his fetish. Eventualy it herself she lying to, because each action a person do is noone else fault but their own, no matter influences of others. Thanks for this great VN and I hope Alex can find happiness eventualy with Mallory.

 

[Dealbreaker]

You know what I mean? But saying things like "that is just a prostitute" it is just wanting to see things the most basic way possible

This is a simple misunderstanding. I didn't mean it this way, in the contrary. I meant this definition is so wide, that it could include a prostitute (which I don't see as a slut! because she just wants to earn money, this isn't a slut in my book. Prostitute is not a negative term in my view) or an average single woman today. BOTH I DON'T SEE AS SLUTS!! And I wouldn't use slut in a derogative way. I use it as a psychological pheonomenon. This idiotic definition a argue against here is simply too wide. And we have to free it from normative undertones. We have to be pychologically more precise.

 

[Satiro]

compressed?

 

[Dealbreaker]

My definition in that post was the closest. Almost like in dictionary.

Dude, copying definitions out of common dictionaries is not an argument. We need more specific and precise definitions for this discussion, can't you see that? And the additional irony is, that the Cambridge definition derives from times and conventions with strict moral rules which you vehemently reject here. You can't use it to prove your point. I myself argued that that definition is normatively outdated from my point of view in our society no one would call that a slut that would be seen as misogynistic. Also there is no right or wrong definition in an abstract sense with these words man. All depends on the context.

 

[alex220477]

This is a simple misunderstanding. I didn't mean it this way, in the contrary. I meant this definition is so wide, that it could include a prostitute (which I don't see as a slut! because she just wants to earn money, this isn't a slut in my book. Prostitute is not a negative term in my view) or an average single woman today. BOTH I DON'T SEE AS SLUTS!! And I wouldn't use slut in a derogative way. I use it as a psychological pheonomenon. This idiotic definition a argue against here is simply too wide. And we have to free it from normative undertones. We have to be pychologically more precise.

you want the exact term for Arianna, nymphomaniac, which is a serious disease, if you call her or compare her to street whores, who are forced to do it, you offend the poor women, here Arianna, is the worst in terms, anything but open-minded, she is sexually ill, she is an eccentric egoist, a manipulable moron, anything but a smart girl, she is an absolute piece of shit as a person.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Though, you know, isn't that actually normal? In a lot of parts of the game i've shown that Ariana is easily influentiable in certain things

Yes, it is understandable for Ari and I see her the same way as you do here. But we in our discussion should perhaps try to have more distance, that was my suggestion.

 

[Joshy92]

Dude, copying definitions out of common dictionaries is not an argument. We need more specific and precise definitions for this discussion, can't you see that? And the additional irony is, that the Cambridge definition derives from times and conventions with strict moral rules which you vehemently reject here. You can't use it to prove your point. I myself argued that that definition is normatively outdated from my point of view in our society no one would call that a slut that would be seen as misogynistic. Also there is no right or wrong definition in an abstract sense with these words man. All depends on the context.

I think you are reading too much into this. It's a porn game not a novel about the intricacies of cheating or sharing.

 

[Fitharia]

I think you are reading too much into this. It's a porn game not a novel about the intricacies of cheating or sharing.

Yea, I can agree with you there, but i find it silly when a bf give his gf green light to do those things, she full out going lie about it, no matter she sex addicted or not. But she not the only one, seems all the women are the same, just Mallory is the only girl not sex craved, she even wants to be more with Alex, but his gf is so hypocritical to allow it, no matter she keeps wanting other dicks. It would be just simple for her to end the relation and keep on doing what she does and not lead it to a disaster, because this will eventualy end very bad. I just hope to see Alex and Mallory get together and either they do the sharing part or not, she seems a way better girl for him to explore those experiences.

 

[alex220477]

Yea, I can agree with you there, but i find it silly when a bf give his gf green light to do those things, she full out going lie about it, no matter she sex addicted or not. But she not the only one, seems all the women are the same, just Mallory is the only girl not sex craved, she even wants to be more with Alex, but his gf is so hypocritical to allow it, no matter she keeps wanting other dicks. It would be just simple for her to end the relation and keep on doing what she does and not lead it to a disaster, because this will eventualy end very bad.

Well done, you are an idol, you are finally a person who understands the real flaw of NTR, unlike the fan clubs of the game.

 

[Dealbreaker]

That is what it makes it hot to me, how far can she go in all this

She has this kind of evil thinking and behavior too, where she also gets very horny thinking about how other men with huge cocks fuck her while her boyfriend doesn't know. She doesn't like being in control when these other men (like Nelson) fuck her, because is a different kind of sex, since when she has sex with MC, she usually likes to take the lead...

OK, now we are at the heart of the matter. There we are on the same page, and this is what I wanted to know. I completely understand this intention behind your work here. And I find it exciting in a porn game (while normatively rejecting it IRL). And it is clear enough that this is not a normative project for society, but an exciting psychological study. I just wonder if one could make it even more plausible, I guess. Maybe making this what you say here even more apparent in the game and in Aris words. And also this wouldn't need so much different sex partners, but could profit from more concentration, more focus - but these are all matters of storydesign where one can have different opinions and you are the expert so to speak. Maybe this aspect of power and control could be more explicit in the future.
And I would perhaps show the hard consequences of those acts.

 

[Joshy92]

Yea, I can agree with you there, but i find it silly when a bf give his gf green light to do those things, she full out going lie about it, no matter she sex addicted or not. But she not the only one, seems all the women are the same, just Mallory is the only girl not sex craved, she even wants to be more with Alex, but his gf is so hypocritical to allow it, no matter she keeps wanting other dicks. It would be just simple for her to end the relation and keep on doing what she does and not lead it to a disaster, because this will eventualy end very bad. I just hope to see Alex and Mallory get together and either they do the sharing part or not, she seems a way better girl for him to explore those experiences.

I play plenty of sharing games where the LI doesn't lie on the sharing path. It's just here it stands out more because the NTS & the NTR path are kind of combined for a good chunk of the story.

 

[Fitharia]

I play plenty of sharing games where the LI doesn't lie on the sharing path. It's just here it stands out more because the NTS & the NTR path are kind of combined for a good chunk of the story.

I know, i mentioned that earlier too, but sharing is not one sided, sharing works both ways, so Ari shouldn't be jealous to share Alex with Mallory either, Ari is just hypocritical, what path you take with her, take vanilla she get jealous even Alex talk another girl, talk sharing path she is mad at Mallory for feeling more for Alex, and NTR path even worse on top being jealous about Mallory, she just goes in revenge fuck another guy, while Alex didn't respond those feelings yet. In each path Ari stays nearly the same except for sharing and NTR she sex craved even. It well made, so i'm not sad about that, it fits Ari perfectly, but it just a wish to see Mallory and Alex become married in the end and Ari ends in a path she likes, fucking many guys every night without to be stressed she is cheating.

 

[Joshy92]

I know, i mentioned that earlier too, but sharing is not one sided, sharing works both ways, so Ari shouldn't be jealous to share Alex with Mallory either, Ari is just hypocritical, what path you take with her, take vanilla she get jealous even Alex talk another girl, talk sharing path she is mad at Mallory for feeling more for Alex, and NTR path even worse on top being jealous about Mallory, she just goes in revenge fuck another guy, while Alex didn't respond those feelings yet. In each path Ari stays nearly the same except for sharing and NTR she sex craved even.

Well personally I would have called it the cuckold or netorase path because sharing isn't either of those things, but still the game is excellent.

 

[Dealbreaker]

I think you are reading too much into this. It's a porn game not a novel about the intricacies of cheating or sharin

Well, we can always say that here and use it to calm down a bit.
But how do you then explain that more or less every user here has their moral sensibilites and lived experiences lying directly under the surface of the fun? You can sense that in a lot of posts here. In a sense porn is a lot less harmless than a novel. People are very determined in their preferences and rejections here. And that makes it interesting.
And slut is word so often thrown around here that it could use some thought.

 

[Sieglinnde]

I like when people talk about these things and make deep thoughts about the game and such, it genuinely makes me feel good... Of course that I will make me feel more good if they say good things about the game

 

[alex220477]

there is always too much confusion with the terms NTR or NTS, but as someone said, the word share is not unilateral, but is a double use, many times in games, the word is only granted to the woman, man who lets the woman fuck, is sharing, but only one way, and it is wrong, she wants to be shared, the rule wants him to have the same treatment, share, find it in the dictionaries, here, Ari wants to have fun and Alex just has to take the rot, Ari in love, yes, with herself and her pussy, Mallory shows more feelings than Ari, and I don't add anything else.

 

[Joshy92]

Well, we can always say that here and use it to calm down a bit.
But how do you then explain that more or less every user here has their moral sensibilites and lived experiences lying directly under the surface of the fun? You can sense that in a lot of posts here. In a sense porn is a lot less harmless than a novel. People are very determined in their preferences and rejections here. And that makes it interesting.
And slut is word so often thrown around here that it could use some thought.

I don't even know what you mean. People always complain about NTR or NTS. Maybe they just don't like cheating, who the hell knows?

Edit - But if we are going to get into it, then yes I dislike NTR greatly. But I love NTS. And the reason is simple I like wholesome cuck stories, which on the sharing path this is during the latter stages.

 

[Dealbreaker]

I don't even know what you mean. People always complain about NTR or NTS. Maybe they just don't like cheating, who the hell knows?

As simple as I can say it: porn isn't just fun. It has the capacity to hurt and shock people who consume it. It doesn't allow the same kind of distance as a novel does.