SquallofNight

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Also i thought she could only teleport between bodies of water, how did she create it? (did Amber create it? must've missed it).
Actually, Liz can link bodies of water to her location. She was the one who flooded the battlefield against Cole, not Amber.

4) Truly sad as i finally accept that Emily was a side character all along.
Calm down brother, let WW cook. She already has the hype (Ella talking about her and all that), we just need an arc and cool power.

5) I don't know what the humans existing in the monster world at one point means, but I'll let WW cook.
That's their original world: as in, the sea humans (which MC and Syla are part of) and sky humans both lived there until the monster's invasion.
 

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Actually, Liz can link bodies of water to her location. She was the one who flooded the battlefield against Cole, not Amber.


Calm down brother, let WW cook. She already has the hype (Ella talking about her and all that), we just need an arc and cool power.


That's their original world: as in, the sea humans (which MC and Syla are part of) and sky humans both lived there until the monster's invasion.
I thought their schtick was balanced by Amber being able to create water and Liz being able to use the created water. Clearly they don't synergise as much as i thought. Both of em are walking powerhouses by themselves

Its been a while, was anything said to contradict Emily not being able to get super powers?

Yeah but whats the point of it, just some world building? or is it playing into the human vs superhuman dynamic going on? They had subjugated monsters so clearly humans can fend off monsters by themselves, atleast until whatever wiped them out.
 
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That's their original world: as in, the sea humans (which MC and Syla are part of) and sky humans both lived there until the monster's invasion.
It’s like Mortal Kombat if you think about it; the monsters invade and conquer a realm/dimension. The alternate humans fought and lost a war against them and were either killed or turned into monsters. The dimension gets corrupted and becomes part of the Monster World.
 

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Yeah but whats the point of it, just some world building? or is it playing into the human vs superhuman dynamic going on? They had subjugated monsters so clearly humans can fend off monsters by themselves, atleast until whatever wiped them out.
It's a bit more than just some world building, it gives context for the black moon's purpose and what might happen in the coming arc. It also gives confirmation on lore hints dropped by shop items, alternate humans exist and superhumans aren't unique to earth
 

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Took a while to to play this update. But here are some thoughts:

1) Micheal is obviously the MVP this update. We got to learn so much about him. Kinda sad that even this friendship is a means to an end to gather strength for him. But the story seems to heavily implying that he will find true strength when he finally understands the true meaning of friendship. Bro is actually top five characters in the game. Also perspective changing to him at the end actually gave me chills.
Like I'm pretty sure all of the exact things i was complaining about in this thread about Micheal a little while ago got answered.
2) Liz is fucking op af lmao. She is basically cheating with that power. Also i thought she could only teleport between bodies of water, how did she create it? (did Amber create it? must've missed it).
3) I'm so fuckin glad the update didn't end with Micheals death being up in the air. I would actually fucking lose it otherwise.
4) Truly sad as i finally accept that Emily was a side character all along. Ella is getting better and better every update, I can admit she is gonna be a on MC's side.
5) I don't know what the humans existing in the monster world at one point means, but I'll let WW cook.

Finally, sincerely hope next update won't be the half way point of the game. As much as I like this game, another four years of story seems much. Hope its like 70% complete atleast.
If MC is monogomus then its either Ella or Alice. both of them are the only one who I believe are attrected to MC in his original form before he became superhuman.

Ella is getting indeed getting better with each update, but question is, is the doll personlity is just one side of Ella (Simmilar to younh Yhwath inside Ichingo, or she is full reperesntation of Ella).

Next update (From Devs post I believe will come out around April-June), will answer most questions.
 

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I thought their schtick was balanced by Amber being able to create water and Liz being able to use the created water. Clearly they don't synergise as much as i thought. Both of em are walking powerhouses by themselves

Its been a while, was anything said to contradict Emily not being able to get super powers?

Yeah but whats the point of it, just some world building? or is it playing into the human vs superhuman dynamic going on? They had subjugated monsters so clearly humans can fend off monsters by themselves, atleast until whatever wiped them out.
It is heavily implied that Syla was a Seahuman before becoming a superhuman and then monsterifying. The Vestige directly says that MC is "carrying their legacy, kinsman" or something like that.
 
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SquallofNight

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I thought their schtick was balanced by Amber being able to create water and Liz being able to use the created water. Clearly they don't synergise as much as i thought. Both of em are walking powerhouses by themselves
From what I remember: Liz can connect bodies of water, but if she switches to Amber, the link disappears (alongside the body of water). What they gained by being merged into one was Amber regenerating Liz's body when it's damaged and their shared power supply.

Its been a while, was anything said to contradict Emily not being able to get super powers?
She could always gain powers, Ella just didn't know which power would suit her best, nor if her mental state at the time would support the process.

Yeah but whats the point of it, just some world building? or is it playing into the human vs superhuman dynamic going on? They had subjugated monsters so clearly humans can fend off monsters by themselves, atleast until whatever wiped them out.
We don't know yet. They were introduced as "monster pieces" for MC after the Battle of Diamond by Shopkeeper, just now we're exploring them a bit more. Only future can tell.
 
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Yeah but whats the point of it, just some world building? or is it playing into the human vs superhuman dynamic going on? They had subjugated monsters so clearly humans can fend off monsters by themselves, atleast until whatever wiped them out.
I don't think it's that. The seahumans were very likely superhumans. The memories in the fossil the MC eats talks about powers stolen from monsters, the enhancement cylinder in the armory recognizes Apostle traits, and the propaganda video speaks on evolution derived from monsters. The seahumans were probably doing what Bramon is experimenting with, inducing superhuman ascension with captured monsters. Either they started off with subjugating very weak monsters and worked their way up, or they had some natural superhumans, too.

I'd say that the point of the seahumans is as a foil to H.E.R.O. and S.I.N., and more specifically Bramon and Tanos Xanthe. Both of them are certain that they can science their way out of the problem of monster invasions. That they can learn how to steal the powers of the monsters and then either wipe them out subjugate them as tools. But a civilization that had been stealing monster powers and subjugating them for generations still fell to the monsters once the Apostles really put their effort in. What are the odds that the brief period of research Bramon and Tanos have before things really kick off will give them a silver bullet?
 

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I don't think it's that. The seahumans were very likely superhumans. The memories in the fossil the MC eats talks about powers stolen from monsters, the enhancement cylinder in the armory recognizes Apostle traits, and the propaganda video speaks on evolution derived from monsters. The seahumans were probably doing what Bramon is experimenting with, inducing superhuman ascension with captured monsters. Either they started off with subjugating very weak monsters and worked their way up, or they had some natural superhumans, too.

I'd say that the point of the seahumans is as a foil to H.E.R.O. and S.I.N., and more specifically Bramon and Tanos Xanthe. Both of them are certain that they can science their way out of the problem of monster invasions. That they can learn how to steal the powers of the monsters and then either wipe them out subjugate them as tools. But a civilization that had been stealing monster powers and subjugating them for generations still fell to the monsters once the Apostles really put their effort in. What are the odds that the brief period of research Bramon and Tanos have before things really kick off will give them a silver bullet?
However we also learnt during the dreamworld that big titty clown henri actually has a broken power which caused the apostles to lock in so there can be a very big chance that once Henri accepts his power and fully utilizes it that he will be even stronger than any superhuman including Bernhaldt. This of course only leaves the chosen and the apostles, mostly apostles but its really cool to see where it goes with him.
 

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He probs will wield everything at some point, same could be said for creation as a whole. The thing is if he is at say level 5, he will be able to wield it at say level 3 ish, only at the level of someone he can rofl stomp generally or easily enough at least. But in the hypothetical if he gets creative he can make disgusting combos to compensate for the lack of power, this is where skill, being smart and cooperation come into play. Otherwise he just gets outclassed by sheer power by whatever his equivalent on other elements like Fantasy or Destruction. So him at level 4 would be able to combo a bunch of level 2 into a coherent chimera strategy/ability of sorts.

Of course this is just speculation based on how copy abilities are usually treated in media, it is either not balanced cough Yuta in JJK or it is there but does not matter all that much for some reason or another such as the case of Kurapika, could had just as well won through conjuration alone theoretically and he still sucks at the other nen domains anyway so his Emperor time is not that overwhelming. Used the nen reference to highlight that sometimes it is better to just stick at what you are good at rather than spread yourself too thin. Either way he needs to basically ask mommy Aglaeicwif how to mind rape in the mind world or something similar, throw in a sex scene plox since he wont fuck his own mom.
Yeah thats the thing, it makes sense for him to not be as powerful in other aspects, but then whats the point, he was turned into a hybrid half and half for a reason if at the end of the day he is just less powerful than a pure spawn its just pointless
 

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Xanthe did say that in order to use other monsters' abilities instead of just their body parts he would need to transform his own energy or life force, which would weaken him. I think what he meant by that was that his ability to transform is a result of the energy currently flowing through his veins, but that energy is also responsible for his regeneration, it's not like he has two different sources of power for his Memory and Body abilities. However, to use other abilities he would either need to spend some of his energy to transform the energy to his chosen monster or superhuman, and if that transformation is permanent, he would lose some power permanently for his regeneration, shape-shifting and memory abilities. What this means is that his total amount of power would not decrease, but it would be divided and the monster energy he can use for his shapeshifting cannot be used for his other abilities. As a result, he would need more power in total to have the same amount of monster energy available for shapeshifting before his transformation. For example, let's say the Mc has 600 monster power, he transforms 100 of that power to Valravn's darkness. The Mc still has 600 power, but he can only use his 500 power for shape shifting before he runs out. As a result, the MC's shape shifting powers have weakened despite his total monster power pool not changing at all.

However, if the ability to transform his energy and use other abilities is temporary like the Silats, then he will be burning through far more power than before, because he will need to constantly spend energy on it like his other transformations, and his efficiency will take a nosedive. Unlike Michael, the Mc doesn't have any rapid direct methods of recovering his energy, his digestion might be fast, but it wasn't instant in the Cole fight, when Deryl fed him.
He is a hybrid so maybe he can somehow compensate for Sylas power, but then again hybrid are supposed to be weaker than pure spawns so maybe the 4th apostle has a way to bypass this.
 
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