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[TonyMurray]

Wow, there's my future wife! She's stunning!

Sarah over Kimi for you?

 

[yossa999]

I admit, I'm a sucker for bringing the family back together, so the MC/Olivia stuff I really liked and hope that is continued well.

 

[Lagunavii]

Sarah over Kimi for you?

Based on looks at the moment, yes, my apologies to Kimi, it was close, but I do like redheads

Now if kimi turns out to be a lot kinkier, we'll the choice will have to be looked at again

 

[yossa999]

Based on looks at the moment, yes, my apologies to Kimi, it was close, but I do like redheads

Now if kimi turns out to be a lot kinkier, we'll the choice will have to be looked at again

That's the problem with this game, they all are stunning.

Spoiler: But Kimi...

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[MiltonPowers]

Based on looks at the moment, yes, my apologies to Kimi, it was close, but I do like redheads

Now if kimi turns out to be a lot kinkier, we'll the choice will have to be looked at again

I'm not for or against redheads, hair color is whatever it is for me. But I have to agree that Sarah is one of the most stunning redheads I have seen across all AVNs, if not #1 (for me anyway).

 

[Lagunavii]

I'm not for or against redheads, hair color is whatever it is for me. But I have to agree that Sarah is one of the most stunning redheads I have seen across all AVNs, if not #1 (for me anyway).

Just having redhair is not normally a instant win for me. I prefer Bella to Sage for example (she's a close second) but I can only go off what Tony has shared with me so far as I've not yet played the game and based on what I've seen Sarah is just fucking gorgeous.

 

[TonyMurray]

Based on looks at the moment, yes, my apologies to Kimi, it was close, but I do like redheads

Now if kimi turns out to be a lot kinkier, we'll the choice will have to be looked at again

She's a (student) nurse, so some points potential there!

That's the problem with this game, they all are stunning.

Spoiler: But Kimi...

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Great shot. I'm looking forward to seeing more of her, but that can be said for all of them...

 

[Zorro#34]

Beyond Tomorrow by Dream Games

When people talk about games that have beautiful renders, the ones I tend to hear about are Summer’s Gone, Summer Heat, and Dreamland. There are others that occasionally come up too, but those are probably the ones I hear of the most. I’m here to tell you that I think Beyond Tomorrow should be spoken about in that same conversation. Seriously, it looks fucking beautiful, and all of the women in it so far can also be described that same way.

I cannot think of a game I’ve played where the women look consistently so good. I have no idea who will be LIs, although I’ve pretty much eliminated two (unless some things change), but I’d go for every last one of them here. Taking the women out of it, the other renders look great too, from nighttime city views, to little bird close-ups, it just looks fantastic.

I’ve only played Chapter One, but looking at the game thread, I’m hopeful that Chapter Two will be along soon – and in there, hopefully some progression. The story we have so far is a bit slow, but it’s engaging enough, and I like some of the setup we have, especially with some family trauma that threatens to hit me in the feels when it gets resolved, one way or the other. There is plenty of intrigue as well, though most of it is kind of under the radar. It’s not in your face, but there are little hints here and there – a facial expression in one render, some dialogue in another scene, a single image showing a gun lying on a coffee table…

The GUI looks really nice too, and although there isn’t much to say about it, the gameplay seems tidy enough. There are a few choices to make, but nothing that feels big or consequential so far – although I guess one or two of them could go that way. Either way, I’m excited to see more of everything on show here, from the visuals to the story, and also to check out what the lewd scenes will be like (and who with). So far, there are two scenes that include topless girls, but no sex. Hopefully Chapter Two will add some of that as well.
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To me, this game is an example of how a rework can be detrimental. Before the rework, Samantha used to be FWBs with the MC, which made sense. Now, she's just a friend, and, considering how close she is with the siblings already, I think she's friendzoned forever - if the MC hasn't noticed her by now, he never will. Also, despite the plot of the old version having moved further, new players are pushed back to Ch. 1. Having completed the Chapter, I've felt that nothing of substance has happened in its 'real time' - every really important thing we saw was from flashbacks. So, I actually got bored with an AVN.
With some other gripes (a major dislike for Olivia and a minor dislike for the MC), I ended up dropping the game.

 

[TonyMurray]

To me, this game is an example of how a rework can be detrimental. Before the rework, Samantha used to be FWBs with the MC, which made sense. Now, she's just a friend, and, considering how close she is with the siblings already, I think she's friendzoned forever - if the MC hasn't noticed her by now, he never will. Also, despite the plot of the old version having moved further, new players are pushed back to Ch. 1. Having completed the Chapter, I've felt that nothing of substance has happened in its 'real time' - every really important thing we saw was from flashbacks. So, I actually got bored with an AVN.
With some other gripes (a major dislike for Olivia and a minor dislike for the MC), I ended up dropping the game.

Ouch! I haven't played the original, but I did skip through it just to see what it was like with some of the missed bits and different characters etc. From what I could see, it appears that there's a lot more depth to it now (based on the amount of content - some things literally just flew by in the original two chapters, by comparison. Olivia I like, but it looks like she's had a boobjob since the original - I preferred her looks there. Most everything else, from what I can tell with a quick look, is improved, for my tastes.

I did think there were some important things happening "in the present" though. I agree some of the key stuff is in flashbacks, but I think it works better that way, rather than having to go too far back, or jump around too much. I think there are also signs for Sam as well, so I don't think she's in a permanent friendzone at all.

 

[Zorro#34]

I think there are also signs for Sam as well, so I don't think she's in a permanent friendzone at all.

Idk, I think she's got more chemistry with Olivia than the MC right now . The guy seemed 100% focused on his Mom to me. While that's entirely justified, and I actually dislike Olivia for not caring about the Mom enough, it's no good for Sam's chances.

 

[yossa999]

To me, this game is an example of how a rework can be detrimental. Before the rework, Samantha used to be FWBs with the MC, which made sense. Now, she's just a friend, and, considering how close she is with the siblings already, I think she's friendzoned forever - if the MC hasn't noticed her by now, he never will.

To me, this is just an example of how different people's opinions, preferences and tastes are, and a developer should have their own vision of the game and the story they're writing and stick to it regardless of anyone else's opinion, and only take feedback into account when it fits their vision but helps them make the game better.

Because right before the rework, Dream was overcriticized, that Sam is an unavoidable girlfriend, that it's a big turn off for everyone (yes, they always speak on behalf of everyone), several exalted personalities announced their departure several times. Well, he made her a childhood friend and just one of the possible LI. And hello, everything is wrong again.

And let me quote for the hundredth time DPC's answer to the question of whether user feedback influences his plans for the game's plot.

Story-related feedback/response does not affect planned content. With no intention of sounding rude, players' opinions about the story, who gets screen time, or lewd scenes don't matter to me. Players are in for the ride but not driving the car.

 

[yossa999]

But to be completely honest, I liked the old Sam better.
Unfortunatelly at the same time, the previous Sam was bad for the whole game, imho. The other girls just had a huge starting handicap compared to her.
A really caring, loving, understanding girl who is always there for MC and Olivia, always trying to help them understand each other, reconcile them, sexy and also MC's girlfriend and a childhood friend. No way they were only friends with benefits before, she was already a wife material. The other girls simply couldn't compete with her.

 

[Zorro#34]

To me, this is just an example of how different people's opinions, preferences and tastes are, and a developer should have their own vision of the game and the story they're writing and stick to it regardless of anyone else's opinion, and only take feedback into account when it fits their vision but helps them make the game better.

Because right before the rework, Dream was overcriticized, that Sam is an unavoidable girlfriend, that it's a big turn off for everyone (yes, they always speak on behalf of everyone), several exalted personalities announced their departure several times. Well, he made her a childhood friend and just one of the possible LI. And hello, everything is wrong again.

That's true, everyone is different. Like, some rather vocal players furiously hate starting GFs but are okay with exes - I'm the other way around.
I also agree that devs shouldn't let feedback influence their plans for the game in a major way, because:

a) Like you said, it's impossible to please everyone,
b) The dev might not be able to successfully adapt the planned story for the new realities,
c) (if the change is made mid-game without a rework) The difference between the early parts and the later game may become too obvious, making the players doubt the dev's abilities.

Example: College Kings is often criticized for different things, such as bugs and unstable writing, but I think it's also a case of how the devs listened to the fans too much: if one pays attention to which LIs got more screen time in CK1 and CK2, they'll see very different faces in there, with some CK1 girls being completely gone. Even I, a fan of Nora who ruled CK2 unchallenged, feel bad for the other LIs' fans. Not a good impression.

While there are always exceptions (like Jenny from Office Perks who got changed early, and now rules her game completely thanks to that), I feel like the devs should stick to considering the feedback for their next game rather than the one they're currently making.

A really caring, loving, understanding girl who is always there for MC and Olivia, always trying to help them understand each other, reconcile them, sexy and also MC's girlfriend and a childhood friend. No way they were only friends with benefits before, she was already a wife material. The other girls simply couldn't compete with her.

And that's not bad imo, it could be an interesting test of the MC's integrity. But, like it's said, different opinions.

 

[yossa999]

That's true, everyone is different. Like, some rather vocal players furiously hate starting GFs but are okay with exes - I'm the other way around.
I also agree that devs shouldn't let feedback influence their plans for the game in a major way, because:

I don't know if you follow The Neverwhere Tales and its main thread, but the favorite topic and the primal hate sink there is the MC's unavoidable girlfriend, Kaija. Very funny thread

a) Like you said, it's impossible to please everyone,
b) The dev might not be able to successfully adapt the planned story for the new realities,
c) (if the change is made mid-game without a rework) The difference between the early parts and the later game may become too obvious, making the players doubt the dev's abilities.

Example: College Kings is often criticized for different things, such as bugs and unstable writing, but I think it's also a case of how the devs listened to the fans too much: if one pays attention to which LIs got more screen time in CK1 and CK2, they'll see very different faces in there, with some CK1 girls being completely gone. That's not a good impression, and even I, a fan of Nora who ruled CK2 unchallenged, feel bad for the other LIs' fans. Not a good impression.

I think a lot of indie developers actually start their projects as a hobby, without really putting in the work to storyboard, think through and create a solid backstory for each character, or list major events and plot points. I think at best they have a basic idea of what their game is about, which can fit into a couple of paragraphs, and maybe a more detailed script for one chapter ahead. Later, when they release the initial chapter and get the first feedback, a bunch of new ideas appear that are poorly compatible with what they had in mind, and they start to treat the game more seriously than just a hobby and they have to seriously take on the script of the entire game and fix plot errors and inconsistencies in the first chapters.

I feel like the devs should stick to considering the feedback for their next game rather than the one they're currently making.

With the amount of custom renders and just different pictures that Dream made last year, I think it would be quite possible to make a small separate game

And that's not bad imo, it could be an interesting test of the MC's integrity. But, like it's said, different opinions.

I'm afraid it would rather be a disappointment, because I just didn't see a reason why MC would suddenly break up with Sam, unless he never loved her but just used her, really considered her just a friend with benefiets. And only by turning off the immersion in the game's plot and just playing for the sake of lewds would I be able to break up with her and go after other girls.

 

[Zorro#34]

I don't know if you follow The Neverwhere Tales and its main thread, but the favorite topic and the primal hate sink there is the MC's unavoidable girlfriend, Kaija. Very funny thread

Sigh… Those poor starting GFs/FWBs, they get so much undeserved hate… I've played 6 games including them, and the choice whether to break up or not was always very memorable (I've stayed with 4, and broke up with 2).

On the other hand, I've played around 20 games with exes, and I only like 2 - Kristyn from Fog of War and Kimberly from Yesterday's Crossroads… Yet they still 'lost' their games to Kendra and Julia, respectively. Well, there's also Nikki from Intertwined, who's still competing vs Alexis, but I've always felt like her relationship with the MC was on pause rather than completely ended (because it can be renewed very soon after being introduced).

C'mon guys, if you don't like your AVN starting GF, just give her to me!

 

[Dessolos]

Sigh… Those poor starting GFs/FWBs, they get so much undeserved hate… I've played 6 games including them, and the choice whether to break up or not was always very memorable (I've stayed with 4, and broke up with 2).

On the other hand, I've played around 20 games with exes, and I only like 2 - Kristyn from Fog of War and Kimberly from Yesterday's Crossroads… Yet they still 'lost' their games to Kendra and Julia, respectively. Well, there's also Nikki from Intertwined, who's still competing vs Alexis, but I've always felt like her relationship with the MC was on pause rather completely ended.

C'mon guys, if you don't like your AVN starting GF, just give her to me!

Honestly I like Ex girlfriends because I just like the idea of getting back together with them even the shitty ones. ( looking at you Artemis and Trouble at Home) but honestly not often an EX is my favorite I just like the idea enough to play their path. But man Kristyn from Fog of War almost made me drop the game I liked her so much that it was super sad when the breakup happened I had to ctrl skip to make sure she comes back lol.

But yeah I personally like starting with a GF or wife I mean it does depend on the context of the game. As I do want the option to break up with them so I don't cheat. But I kind of like the whole idea of having a pre-established relationship especially if it's a good relationship. It's kind of why I play sharing games. Most people play sharing / NTR games for the actual sharing or NTR aspect but me I play them for the relationship. As I find the good ones are decent at showing of the loving relationship between MC and his wife or girlfriend.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Another Man’s Wife by Too Perilous

I’d had this game downloaded and unplayed for quite a while and decided I needed to play it or delete it, and I’m both happy and sad that I chose to play it. Happy because it was relatively decent, but mostly because it gave me a surprise. Sad because it got abandoned so there’s no real resolution, with unfinished scenes in the game itself and then further scenes in the gallery that just add confusion.

The game itself has pretty standard swinging/swapping/hotwifing concept (I use the three because you get to the end of the playable content before fully being able to define where you’re going with it), but I quite like the set up of it. On the one hand, it takes a while for the couple to take the plunge after a pretty lengthy discussion about it, which feels right, but on the other hand, when they do it seems way too fast.

This is perhaps explained in the bit that properly surprised me. There’s a pretty lengthy (by AVN standards) scene that I thought was really well done where it was just the couple talking, and mostly the wife opening up and exposing some secrets that have been eating her up. I really liked this, although it did come with a bit of confusion as to how it led to the couple experimenting with an open marriage. I just really liked the raw honesty and the emotional element of this scene in isolation, it actually made me feel something for the wife. There was another, much shorter, scene with another female character before this that also worked quite well in the same way.

As far as the game goes, the mechanics are a bit unusual in that you have confidence points and you have points for each of the three girls you spend any good amount of time with, but these reset at various points. You go into a scene and it might feel a bit random as to whether you’ll have high, medium, or low confidence, and confidence can affect the choices that come up. Resetting the Steph (wife) points is a bit weird too, especially in the circumstances it happens, where it feels like a plus point or two is warranted but instead it’s a minus 9 or 10.

The graphics are pretty standard, and the girls okay, although I can’t help feeling that Amber’s head is from someone else’s body! The scenes and animations are decent enough without wowing, and I feel this could have been a good game had it continued. There’s a non-sex related side story regarding insider trading at the MC’s place of work, and that could have added an interesting aspect away from the open-marriage scene, but then the bonus ending scene in the gallery focuses on this and it feels like it has no relation to the game whatsoever and just adds a lot more confusion to what I had been playing...
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the game are abondoned now i dunno why

 

[TonyMurray]

the game are abondoned now i dunno why

Yeah, this was one that could have done something good, but it was abandoned just as it was starting to get there...

 

[Eleanorduval]

Yeah, this was one that could have done something good, but it was abandoned just as it was starting to get there...

it is was only one path?

 

[TonyMurray]

it is was only one path?

I don't know about paths, but there were a few options. I seem to remember once choice/set of choices could see you leaving the friends' house without doing anything much, while the other could result in the wife fucking the friend's husband while MC and friend's wife watch from the balcony. I don't remember too much else in detail in that regard though. I think the major choice came afterwards, but there wasn't much gameplay after that. I could have some of those details wrong though, as it was a while ago.