VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[Sabertooth__]

First of all, this isn't a movie or animation, and to compare this to a film is like comparing apples and oranges. I never said it doesn't take time; I said again, "A good story doesn't have to take 20+ years to tell either." Second, A good story doesn't need complex storylines either. A direct, simplistic approach can work just as well. Other VN novels are good at the core and are linear, which don't branch out into 30+ different paths. He could have written the story based on six or seven characters and most likely achieved his results at a quicker pace.

If you read some of his Patreon comments, most want to see the core character with Sophia more than anything else, Dylan, Ellie, Patricia, and Sam, plus some outside characters like Aiden. If he focuses on them more instead of having 90+ characters, I think he would achieve more significant progress with less, and his Patreon Member count would be higher than it is now.

He could have done this in less time if he didn't have, me being facetious here, 30+ routes with some of the routes having the same themes as others.

My comment emphasised on the fact that anything of art require such manual attention to work takes time. The mediums are different, the effort here isn't. Be it anime, animated movies or manga or comics.

And just like visual novels with 5-6 Characters are good, VN novel with 20 characters can also be good and definitely way better if done right. This very thing would be celebrated because of a huge range of fetishes only if L&P could do 7000 renders a year instead of barely getting near 1800.

And what an exaggeration it is to call 90+ characters. Characters which have scenes are limited to only these

Nathalie, Aiden, Liam, Dylan, Alyssa, Sam Ellie, Julia, Morello Larry, Patricia, Amber,
Tutoring Job, Bennett, Janitor, Nursing Home, Zac, Vicky Deshawn, Neil, Jennifer,
Cathy, Principal, Movers, Thugs, Emma

Total - 25.

out of which Alyssa is hardly getting anything.
Morello's storyline isn't coming back for a while
Amber one or two scenes a week
Bennett Storyline has been cut short and currently only has 82 renders. Janitor is another with only 80 renders and no event in sight.
Neil is forgetten, Principal has no role, Movers aren't coming back till the end just like the Thugs.
Liam doesn't seem to have a seen for the next few days, even if he did no one here would be excited for it. So it doesn't matter.
Jennifer doesn't have route either. It is just a event or two.

So just tell me where are your 90+ characters, if you count 5 charcters from the 2nd job it makes no sense since we will only get one scene from it. Similar 3 movers make no difference, since whenever they have a scene it will be together. Same goes for the thugs. And it is downright non sensical to count all the students in Sophia's class in characters, they are just filling space or the gym Instructor,. Dylan's martial arts instructor who is likely to never have a scene. Logan and his friends too shouldn't be counted separately because they are just part of Ellie Sophia route. They don't have exclusive scenes. Whenever Sophia Ellie have their scene they will just be a part of it.


There are primarily only Pat, Ellie, Dylan Sam, Aiden, 2 jobs, Nathalie, Vicky, Alyssa, Zac, Liam. Not a huge number of main stay storylines. Rest of the characters have a once in blue a moon appearance and some might never even show up again
A streamlined linear game would be boring as hell with Sophia constantly pushing herself every next scene with the same 4-5 Characters, making it look like just a monotonous, run of the mill sex fest game in a span of 3-4 PD And the scenes will just look forced as there is nothing to show besides these same 5 people.

 

[PatreonTed]

Ok...I finally figured it out from reading the comments, this game is meant for the blue ballers that love slow burns, man how desperate can someone be waiting years just to see a tit from a Daz render model.

There's a lot of games where I just hammer on the space bar to see some titties, but once I realized this one was going to be a ridiculously slow burn, I started to enjoy it more. Variety is the spice of life!

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

wow, 100k plus discussions. nice.

Save for deleted ones

 

[mirian]

Thanks friend, I think it worked

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

Hi, How many saves do I need to play each paths . There is blackmails, a boarding school, side works and other choices. I don't know how to start it and choose the most interesting paths. Sorry for bad english.

I have three saves that seem to cover all possible events on the filthy path. I might have made a minor manipulation around the variables on the way, don't remember exactly. I know for sure I paired boarding school with one side job, and no boarding school with the other. Be creative

P.S. Your English is fine, no need to be sorry.

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

Progress Report Ver. 0.170.

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[Lord_Xanatos]

Progress Report Ver. 0.170.

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[Adolfo]

Not as fancy as Apollodore's one but this is what I managed to save and keep up-to-date here

Day	Day of the week	PD	Time of the day	Release	Event
20	Friday	13
			Morning	v0.155
					Literature lesson (Aiden's 4th task)
					School break (bonus scene)
					Don Morello (optional)
			Noon
				v0.160	Dylan/Ellie Part 1 + Part 2
				v0.161	Aiden's Meeting
				v0.165	Dylan keeps Amber company while waiting for Sam
				v0.170	2nd side job 3rd day (Tutoring Job)
			Afternoon
				update 5	Sophia/Sam
				update 6	Sophia/Claire/Marie (with Dylan)
			Evening
				update 7	Sophia/Dylan Part 1
				update 8	Sophia/Dylan Part 2
				update 9	Dylan/Ellie/Christine
				update 10	Dylan/Emma + rest
21	Saturday	14
			Morning
					Sophia/Ellie (Very short)
					Sophia/Sam (Very short)
					Sophia/Ellie
			Noon
					1st side job OR: 2nd side Job
					Sophia/Dylan
			Afternoon
					Sophia/Dylan
			Evening
					Sophia/Dylan
					Meeting "museum college guys"

These are intels for the other days, either from discussions with L&P that have been shared or future events that are mentioned or inferred from the story.
The "within" of the "sex scene within X playable days" has to be counted from PD 12 when the information was given.

PD 15 - Day 22 - Sunday
[1st lesbian sex scene with an important character: Within the next 3 playable days]

• ranch event with Patricia at her friend Zoey place, probably all day long. Sophia will get the a phone call from Patricia on Saturday to invite her if she spent the day with Alyssa instead of going to Yoga on PD 11.

PD 16 - Day 23 - Monday
[1st big hetero sex scene with an important character: Within the next 4 playable days]
[2nd big hetero sex scene with an important character: Within the next 4 playable days]
[2nd lesbian sex scene with an important character: Within the next 4 playable days]

• there are "several Ellie's events spread out over the day" (aka Ellie's day) and the return of the sauna guys Tyler and Logan
  • Dylan/Ellie storyline is supposed to end here
• She usually does not teach on Mondays, but after what happened in v0.161 she will meet Aiden and they are going to have a "have a 'private chat' on Monday at school" . but it seems that the principal Johnson will call her in as substitute teacher. So there could be another task.
• "Something definitely really "wild" what is not with the husband [...] and it will be something no one will definitely expect at the moment!" as per L&P old quote

PD 17 - Day 24 - Tuesday
[3rd big lesbian sex(ual) scene with an important character: Within the next 5 playable days]

• 2 Ellie's events
• She is teaching on Tuesdays and probably there will be the first sport lesson if the school gym is ready (after the "usual" Literature class)
• 2nd optional solution for Aiden (less comfortable than Morello)
• Alyssa will be back and they are likely to meet at soccer practice ("I think Tuesday next week when our boys have soccer practice will be the earliest we can see each other again.")

PD 18 - Day 25 - Wednesday

• Biology class, likely another Aiden's task
• The 1st chance to get rid of Bennett (source)
• [unconfirmed/unreliable] Around this time or the next days the side jobs might end but there could be an option to continue them later on. More recent intel says the 1st job could be there till the end of the game.

PD 19 - Day 26 - Thursday
[4th lesbian sex scene with an important character: Within the next 7 playable days]

• 2 Ellie's events

PD 20 - Day 27 - Friday

• Literature class, likely another Aiden's task

[...]
PD 24 - Day 31 - Tuesday

• Deadline for Mr. Bennett's proposal

After what Mr.Gamer__ shared:

I guess that the "sex scene WITH an important character", the "with" is not to be intended as "Sophia with.." but as "a sex scene involving an important character", where the important character is one of the 3 2 MCs, Sophia and Dylan, and Ellie.
We are walking on a thin line between the language barrier on one side and mastering the art of being willingly vague and ambiguous on the other.

Great work.
I can give some tips for the schedule.

In the wild scene of PD 16 you can add that is a very hot and big hetero scene. One user posted time ago

About that scene I asked if there will be penetration and LP answered "maybe"

About Aiden tasks on PD16 and PD 17 there will be one each day. It's what I urderstood to a question that I made to LP. Sometimes he can be a bit cryptic in his answers.

We return to the original idea that the comfortable exit for Aiden will be on PD18.
LP has said: "The first solution was already in the morning of this day with asking Don Morello for help. The next will be in around 5 game days."

 

[intrigan]

Ok...I finally figured it out from reading the comments, this game is meant for the blue ballers that love slow burns, man how desperate can someone be waiting years just to see a tit from a Daz render model.

There are enough games for every taste on F95 to melt your balls forever in an endless orgasm. W&M was created in order to fully immerse the gamer in the game, as if these people really exist. The effect of full immersion in the life of Sophie's family. Somewhere in the back of your brain, sometimes flashes the thought: - How is Sophie, her children? During this time, a vast fan community has been created, which already influences the author with a wonderful series of comics from ST9-Pol, many other sketches, thoughts and wishes. This is already a whole world where fantasy has merged with reality.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

All this talk of too many characters, or a story that's too slow, just highlights the no-win scenario for fans of this game. What makes AWAM special (aside from the great art) is that it's a layered story. Too many games only focus in on the main/core characters, and that gets old really quickly. On paper, I think there's good sense behind how the story is paced because, at its best, it provides for a logical progression of Sophia's corruption. I think all of us can agree that we like that her corruption has been a gradual process. And part of that process is that she interacts with a wide cast of characters who all have their role to play in her corruption. It isn't just the same two characters, scene after scene, day after day, update after update. There's a real attempt to make her progress feel organic.

The real problem, the original sin, is that this game is simply too ambitious for one person. Even with diligent planning (which we know he doesn't do), this game cannot be completed in a reasonable time frame. Both the story, and its development, are too slow. Each update takes too long and advances the plot too little to really feel satisfying. But, if he were to cut content, and focus exclusively on the main characters, the game would lose a good deal of what makes it attractive. Sure, in the short-term I think a lot of people would be happy, and he may even make more money, but I think that approach would undermine what makes the game special.

People are tired of the slow burn, the constant delays to development, and the prospect of another decade before there's actual sex. Outside of building a mid-size team to develop the game alongside him, the only solution that would result in faster progress would be to cut content and characters. And while I do agree that cutting some characters/content could improve the game, I don't think it would be too long before you would make cuts that would detract from the game.

The long and short of it is that fans of AWAM are in a no-win situation because the game was not properly scaled to what one person can create in a reasonable timeframe.

 

[froufrou2019]

Says the guy who's been a member for almost 2 years in a forum that is dedicated to daz render porn games. Yes, hypocrisy at its finest.

Taking my comment out of context to call me a hypocrite is a bit dirty don't you think? I was simply making light fun of the loyal fans of this specific "game", I never dissed the subculture itself. Still waiting years for a rendered tit takes dedication, so I guess that's worth something...positive? maybe? Man you A Wife and Mother fans are something else, yeesh. Ok fine you win, the Shakespearian story of A Wife and Mother is Oscar worthy, it should be appreciated for it's unique and complex subject matter and for me or anyone else being curious about why there is no "action" in a porn VN after so many years is just ignorant.

 

[jamdan]

You can have games with a lot of characters, that isn't the main issue, although it is one.

It's that this game has a lot of characters + almost all of them have their own routes + several of them overlap. Either directly (like Dylan and Amber) or indirectly, by being pretty much the same thing. Like the 2 side-jobs and the blackmail paths. A lot of the characters also play the same role, like all of Ellie's friends.

That creates a situation where the amount of routes/branches keep multiplying the further along you go. To the point where it's just a tangled web of madness.

To the discussion on the last page about the story. One of the most important things for writing a story that real authors do is to edit and slim things down. One of Stephen Kings rules is the 10% rule. Which means when you finish a draft, go back over it and edit out 10% of it. That's why they always do multiple drafts. The entire Harry Potter series is a little over 1M words. This game probably has more words than the entire Harry Potter series. Or at least is getting pretty darn close.

The central plot in this story is Sophia's corruption. You can do that with 5 characters or 50. The number of characters doesn't correlate to how good the story is. There are plenty of harem games on here that have all the LI's be hollow husks that just exist for MC. And there are great games that have 3-5 LI's who all play a role, develop, and move the story along.

Obviously VN devs aren't professional authors. But if devs studied writing the same way they study art and animation, these games would be significantly better. And most of them would end up being shorter too.

 

[Deleted member 576]

I have to admit i am very excited for update .170.

Why?

Because after .170 there is nothing that interests me until pd 16. Which means i dont have to check this thread for the next 2 years.

 

[Sadowdark]

I have to admit i am very excited for update .170.

Why?

Because after .170 there is nothing that interests me until pd 16. Which means i dont have to check this thread for the next 2 years.

More like two years is a conservative estimate I think it will take longer.

 

[Sadowdark]

I think for L&P I have no problem with how first and second characters have sex. The problem arises in the case of the main character, Sophia, who is the most important. So her first sex scene will of course be delayed as much as possible as she knows his followers are mainly for Sophia,and they'll be waiting to pay and get nervous.

 

[Sabertooth__]

All this talk of too many characters, or a story that's too slow, just highlights the no-win scenario for fans of this game. What makes AWAM special (aside from the great art) is that it's a layered story. Too many games only focus in on the main/core characters, and that gets old really quickly. On paper, I think there's good sense behind how the story is paced because, at its best, it provides for a logical progression of Sophia's corruption. I think all of us can agree that we like that her corruption has been a gradual process. And part of that process is that she interacts with a wide cast of characters who all have their role to play in her corruption. It isn't just the same two characters, scene after scene, day after day, update after update. There's a real attempt to make her progress feel organic.

The real problem, the original sin, is that this game is simply too ambitious for one person. Even with diligent planning (which we know he doesn't do), this game cannot be completed in a reasonable time frame. Both the story, and its development, are too slow. Each update takes too long and advances the plot too little to really feel satisfying. But, if he were to cut content, and focus exclusively on the main characters, the game would lose a good deal of what makes it attractive. Sure, in the short-term I think a lot of people would be happy, and he may even make more money, but I think that approach would undermine what makes the game special.

People are tired of the slow burn, the constant delays to development, and the prospect of another decade before there's actual sex. Outside of building a mid-size team to develop the game alongside him, the only solution that would result in faster progress would be to cut content and characters. And while I do agree that cutting some characters/content could improve the game, I don't think it would be too long before you would make cuts that would detract from the game.

The long and short of it is that fans of AWAM are in a no-win situation because the game was not properly scaled to what one person can create in a reasonable timeframe.

That's what I tried to lay out before as well. The game is too big for one man. Even if this game were being developed by the fastest Devs atleast the ones i know of like DPC and DM it would still take them 6-7 years to complete the story from here on out assuming each day an average 2000 renders that L&P is moving towards. Big days like PD 16 and majority of future game days can potentially even be 3000 renders. Not to mention the visual quality will obviously not be as good as it is now.

This job is not for one man. If he had the capability then the novel's thought and scale is splendid. His vision is great, his capabilities not enough. Such creators can only wish for a patient fanbase. Which is almost impossible in L&P's case since he is essentially making a porn game.

The manga release format is similar to how these VNs are released. Majority mangas run for 10-15 yrs, some over 30 years. But there is a Mutua understanding in the community that this is how it is. In this VN sphere some deliver tons of stuff immediately, most don't do a slowburn and jump straight into action. The expectations are different in this community and L&P is literally going against the flow in this regard.

The only hope is for him to find an artist who can individually handle scenes without his involvement.

 

[lupogba6]

Progress Report Ver. 0.170.

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[Hlextor]

That's what I tried to lay out before as well. The game is too big for one man. Even if this game were being developed by the fastest Devs atleast the ones i know of like DPC and DM it would still take them 6-7 years to complete the story from here on out assuming each day an average 2000 renders that L&P is moving towards. Big days like PD 16 and majority of future game days can potentially even be 3000 renders.

This job is not for one man. If he had the capability then the novel's thought and scale is splendid. His vision is great, his capabilities not enough. Such creators can only wish for a patient fanbase. Which is almost impossible in L&P's case since he is essentially making a porn game.

The manga release format is similar to how these VNs are released. Majority mangas run for 10-15 yrs, some over 30 years. But there is a Mutua understanding in the community that this is how it is. In this VN sphere some deliver tons of stuff immediately, most don't do a slowburn and jump straight into action. The expectations are different in this community and L&P is literally going against the flow in this regard.

The only hope is for him to find an artist who can individually handle scenes without his involvement.

The risk of a burnout at some point is unfortunately extremely high

 

[dolfe67]

The manga release format is similar to how these VNs are released. Majority mangas run for 10-15 yrs, some over 30 years. But there is a Mutua understanding in the community that this is how it is. In this VN sphere some deliver tons of stuff immediately, most don't do a slowburn and jump straight into action. The expectations are different in this community and L&P is literally going against the flow in this regard.

The difference is also that the story is moving very slow in AWAM. In the same period, manga have way more content.

And if I may compare AWAM to GGGB (a lot of paths in that game by a solo dev), the problem is not the story but the renders output. Ambitious stories like this by solo dev is way faster to tell with sprites instead of full renders for each step of characters.

 

[kamal1996]

can anyone tell me if there will b option between the nurse job with old man or the tutoring job. I m excited for the nursing job. will v0.170 will also include that or not. thnkq