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The premise is there for a game to be good. But the execution is so poor that it's probably beyond saving.
This I'm kinda just clicking and hoping for the best :LOL: although the MC makes me want to punch him in the face repeatably.

i get lost in this game...
It kind of reminds me of Indecent Desires but at least in this game you can actually find people
 
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Its not an option when 1/3rd or more of the sex content rendered involves non-consent. Players will naturally want to see all of it.
Thats their choice then. The issue here is that story currently is not based upon a romantic approach, that means.. expecting something like that is the issue. It MAY offer a romantic approach later on. Maybe. It never promised that tho. The mc is an ass. He MAY change for the better but we can't tell yet. Expecting him to become a white knight is understandable but like expecting a non-ntr route in an ntr game.

I have no idea how the story will turn out later or, character developement and all. But pure romance approach was never promised and the game made it exceedingly clear that the mc is a sly (at best) jerk. Why would anyone think he would suddenly turn coat for the better? Hoping for that is fine but expecting and then demanding it is just silly. Not that i'm saying you do that but in this story the romance route seems to be the secondary/optional one if there will be one at all.
 

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Either use console to get the next scenes, or pray that the dev will test things before releasing bugged versions, in the other engine at least the events were triggered, than he changes to Renpy were things should be ok but what happened is that some errors were corrected and 45 new arrived
i have better idea ! Delete and play good games :) every time i download this game i download some shit ! before this update i download and when i go to kitchen game jump to my room have some scene and text is from kitchen 2 minutes before this scene in my room and can`t do anything ! now i download new version better version to see what nothing only new shit not a game !!! :(
 

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Thats their choice then. The issue here is that story currently is not based upon a romantic approach, that means.. expecting something like that is the issue. It MAY offer a romantic approach later on. Maybe. It never promised that tho. The mc is an ass. He MAY change for the better but we can't tell yet. Expecting him to become a white knight is understandable but like expecting a non-ntr route in an ntr game.

I have no idea how the story will turn out later or, character developement and all. But pure romance approach was never promised and the game made it exceedingly clear that the mc is a sly (at best) jerk. Why would anyone think he would suddenly turn coat for the better? Hoping for that is fine but expecting and then demanding it is just silly. Not that i'm saying you do that but in this story the romance route seems to be the secondary/optional one if there will be one at all.
Couldn't agree with you more vigorously. This isn't a romantic incest game. We have a cocky alpha jerk mc. Maybe some were hoping he'd have an arc where he learns from his tiny mistakes and gets better with women without being an ass.

But 90% or more of the erotic scene options we're starting out with are pretty jail worthy, and likely going to get worse. Don't mind a jerk mc, but can we have a family incest harem game that's slightly less rapey.
 
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Lets be honest, the VN follows in the footsteps of a long and proud tradition of porn games! If you are into mom, you have to be a sleepcreeping blackmailer as well! Comitted to family first and foremost! ...as long as they are commited to spoil the schlong, pamper the pecker.
If they pretend not to notice the icing that is dried over half their bodies when they wake up thats a bonus. Its all in the family after all, and a family sticks together.
 

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So the EA of incest games (making over 25,000 dollars a month), mostly adds all the easy checklist crowd pleasing features. This game lacks personality and warmth, much like games made by those giant factory studios.

Dev could easily have done better than this with the resources he has.
This dude has actually finished a game with outstanding renders, huge updates and hot chicks. He's on to his next game and the chicks are even hotter, everything is more refined. Technically, no game maker deserves more money than an actual doctor who saves lives and all that. But that's how Patreon and such portals work. Someone creates something and people like it. Measuring the quality put out based on the money a dev makes gets shaky at a certain treshold, I'd say at 5.000 bucks / month if not even less. Is SummerTime Saga worth the 50+k the dev makes? No. Is this game worth the money? Hell no, but at the same time, this dev fucking delivers. SMS gets lackluster updates, disappoints for months on end. This new game is already a full, hot experience.

With all those abandoned and canceled games piling up, this dev stands out and deserves what he gets. Just my 2 cents. He actually delivers at the highest graphic fidelity. We just have to agree to disagree and that's cool.

And to be perfectly honest, might sound crazy, but I'm not playing these game for the personality and warmth. I'm happy when the chicks are hot and unique enough to make me care. If you want personality and warmth, I'd just look for actual visual novels without the erotic content.
 
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This new game is already a full, hot experience.
You must have accidentally clicked on the wrong thread because you couldn't possibly be talking about Midnight Paradise, right? The game's been in development hell for months, and even after switching engines, is still a buggy, and still for some, unplayable mess.
 
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This dude has actually finished a game with outstanding renders, huge updates and hot chicks. He's on to his next game and the chicks are even hotter, everything is more refined. Technically, no game maker deserves more money than an actual doctor who saves lives and all that. But that's how Patreon and such portals work. Someone creates something and people like it. Measuring the quality put out based on the money a dev makes gets shaky at a certain treshold, I'd say at 5.000 bucks / month if not even less. Is SummerTime Saga worth the 50+k the dev makes? No. Is this game worth the money? Hell no, but at the same time, this dev fucking delivers. SMS gets lackluster updates, disappoints for months on end. This new game is already a full, hot experience.

With all those abandoned and canceled games piling up, this dev stands out and deserves what he gets. Just my 2 cents. He actually delivers at the highest graphic fidelity. We just have to agree to disagree and that's cool.

And to be perfectly honest, might sound crazy, but I'm not playing these game for the personality and warmth. I'm happy when the chicks are hot and unique enough to make me care. If you want personality and warmth, I'd just look for actual visual novels without the erotic content.
Summertime Saga has hand-drawn content, which is a lot more effort than posing a few basic pre made assets, and happening to own a giant rendering rig. The comparisons get worse with the 25,000 that LL makes vs the 4,000 or or so that PhillyGames makes. CoBD is arguably the most refined vn made for this audience, the benchmark imho.

You may not want a little character depth, but there's others here wanting something more than a HoneyPop for incest, unlocking a couple of renders after minutes of random clicking, which is what this is shaping up to be. Just opinions here, they seem critical because LL used to be a top 3 dev that I patronized and admired once upon a time.
 

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Why no new content, wtf.
There's actually new content. You just need to swim aimlessly until you find it, if you don't know where to look for it.
  • 2 Thorne events.
  • 1 Isabel event.
  • 1 Joyce event.
  • Level 2-3 Massage and Yoga with Joyce
  • Level 3 Massage with Isabel
  • Level 3-4 Tutoring with Jane
 
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What about the new 3.1 content ?
I can't find any of the new update stuff...
Like I said it's really not that much. After completing everything in the walkthrough you'll get access to two new scenes in Thorne's office. You will eventually get a car and one day while going to your room in the the morning you will trigger a scene with mom. This scene enables massage level 3 and yoga level 3.
At massage level 2 with Isabel you will eventually trigger a scene in her room in the morning which then enables massage level 3.
 
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Like I said it's really not that much. After completing everything in the walkthrough you'll get access to two new scenes in Thorne's office. You will eventually get a car and eventually one day while going to your room in the the morning you will trigger a scene with mom. This scene enables massage level 3 and yoga level 3.
At massage level 2 with Isabel you will eventually trigger a scene in her room in the morning which then enables massage level 3.
Thanks.
So I've done it all already... :/
 

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You must have accidentally clicked on the wrong thread because you couldn't possibly be talking about Midnight Paradise, right? The game's been in development hell for months, and even after switching engines, is still a buggy, and still for some, unplayable mess.
I have to admit that I have just now checked it out. :) So I didn't realize it was in dev hell. That's disappointing, of course.

Summertime Saga has hand-drawn content, which is a lot more effort than posing a few basic pre made assets, and happening to own a giant rendering rig. The comparisons get worse with the 25,000 that LL makes vs the 4,000 or or so that PhillyGames makes. CoBD is arguably the most refined vn made for this audience, the benchmark imho.
Absolutely - STS has awesome hand-drawn content. But the last really big update was like, how long ago? For me, and looking at the thread on it, many others as well, that dude is milking his audience. Which I'm cool with, but I just stopped caring after the last "remade Jenny update". I started getting into DAZ two years ago and I not only spent a lot of money, but the learning curve was really steep at times. I'm still learning new things everyday. It's not just about owning a big rig and it's suddenly magically rendering itself. It's a lot of learning if you want stuff to look decent. One could even weaken your "big rig" comment with the fact that you could alternatively outsource your rendering to external render farms, which is even easier if you use Poser. It's not just rigging something and be done with it. There's a good reason why this devs games look way better than 90% of Renpy games out there.

And concerning CoBD, it being the benchmark, yeah, I absolutely agree with you. But for me, the beautiful, perfect (!) renders were just like watching X-Art in comparison to some real actual porn content. Too perfect, too artsy, just didn't strike a nerve with me. Everyone is different with what he wants. But hell, sure, Phillygames do deserve every dollar they get and more. But their game has been around since February and they are already up to almost 5000 bucks a month... I don't think Dreams of Desire was cashing those bucks after less than 6 months of being around. The 25k the dev makes are a testament to this dev actually finishing a project on a high level throughout. So some of your comparisons aren't completely fair I think.

You may not want a little character depth, but there's others here who want something more than a HoneyPop for incest, unlocking a couple of renders after minutes of random clicking, which is what this is shaping up to be. Just opinions here, they seem critical because LL used to be a top 3 dev that I patronized and admired once upon a time.
I do think that most devs are in it for the money and not for expressing their art or inner thoughts. I also think that it shows, just based on who makes the most cash, that people want hot chicks and lots of fucking over some girls that are written so well that you could actually fall in love with them just by reading their lines. I can not remember too many girls where I'd say "yeah this chick is totally unique and I'd totally recognize her out of a crowd". They do exist, but they are rare just due to the nature of these games.

And dude, I think it's important to be critical, as openly as possible. We're in this forum to talk about these games. Just stated what I think and you did the same. I'm cool with all that.
 
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I am not getting Ruby text message in the morning, after talking about her job in afternoon.
Someone help....??????????
End of content. There is a small related scene in the gallery instead thats tied to it. I mean if you talked with her about jumping in for her.
 

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There's actually new content. You just need to swim aimlessly until you find it, if you don't know where to look for it.
  • 2 Thorne events.
  • 1 Isabel event.
  • 1 Joyce event.
  • Level 2-3 Massage and Yoga with Joyce
  • Level 3 Massage with Isabel
  • Level 3-4 Tutoring with Jane
how to do all that ? yoga in my game is same scene over and over again she tell me when i come again she show me that i don`t need clothes and i do the same scene over 70 times ! massage the same over and over again nothing new ! tutoring touch butt or lift dress or her feet nothing more how to continue ???
 
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