Ren'Py Completed Midnight Paradise [v1.0f Extra] [Lewdlab]

[derede]

Clearly works for the 2600 patrons who contribute about 26000 usd a month to him.

My point was that it's pointless to expect anything exciting storywise or gameplay wise from this dev. He's going to pick the safest option that will keep his existing patrons, there's no vision here. Expect a lot more night rape.

I have been following this thread since the game released. Man, you should make up your mind.
At first, you bandwagon a negative wave and bashed the dev for trying something new, bashed the game for trying to be bold.
Now, you are bashing the dev and game for not being bold. Which is creating a MC personality like this is enough to be bold. You know, he could go safest route with self insert nerdish character like almost every other game out there.

Plus, if you are hating this game too much and watching other people wallet for how much they spend, why are you following it since february? I swear, I didn't read one comment from you without bashing the game and dev to ground and with pretty exaggerated way. I almost got the feeling that you have a personal grudge with the dev, like he banned you from discord server or something. I understand if you don't like it but this game doesn't deserve this bashing and exaggeration.

Also, personal suggestion for more healthy discussions; use "I" instead of "you" such as: "you don't feel a connection to them" instead use this "I don't feel a connection to them". You are giving your opinion not someone elses.

 

[Robert19]

Midnight Paradise v0.5 CG Rip

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[sarge87]

I tried saving those files under the game/saves folder but it didn’t work? What am I missing?

His saves are incomplete. Use those instead:
https://thef95zone.info/threads/midnight-paradise-v0-5-0-lewdlab.25081/page-128#post-2097444

 

[Hyped]

bashed the dev for trying something new

Doubt it. Was the first point in my review. That it was same ol' nothing new. If you've followed the thread, then you'll know I'm a huge DoD fan. Just a disappointed fan who thought the dev could do better. DoD felt like a timely work of art. But MP showed us it was just a lucky gamble.

At this point MP feels like its purely a money grab render showcase. Man of the house did all of this grindy gameplay much better imho. This game doesn't need to exist. Just my opinion.

Dev's hardworking and wants more money. Nothing wrong with that either. Though I no longer believe he's trying to create the game he originally wanted to, cut lots of features, now just going through the motions. Fans rant, it's all part of the process. No harm.

 

[Onysko]

Doubt it. Was the first point in my review. That it was same ol' nothing new. If you've followed the thread, then you'll know I'm a huge DoD fan. Just a disappointed fan who thought the dev could do better. DoD felt like a timely work of art. But MP showed us it was just a lucky gamble.

At this point MP feels like its purely a money grab render showcase. Man of the house did all of this grindy gameplay much better imho. This game doesn't need to exist. Just my opinion.

Dev's hardworking and wants more money. Nothing wrong with that either. Though I no longer believe he's trying to create the game he originally wanted to, cut lots of features, now just going through the motions. Fans rant, it's all part of the process. No harm.

What's grindy about MP? You literally advance from scene to scene, with some time passing in between or main "story" progression. Well, maybe except for the teacher, but her progression is also pretty quick.

I'm not in the opinion that DoD was a timely work of art. I think the story was awfully convoluted, contrived and filled with pointless twists and cliches. I'm not saying that MP is better in that aspect, it's slowly becoming more similar. Instead of secret cults and dark forces, it's a secret drug and mobs. Some characters are made up from update to update with barely any introduction, like Elianna. And that indeed seems rushed and improvised.

The sandbox is pretty empty for a sandbox, and many games suffer from that recently. I guess it's become a trend lately, like open-world games. So it's hard to justify the sandbox choice for the time being.

But the game boasts much better renders and animations, they are simply superb and top most other games that are out here currently, such as Milfy City. The characters are more fun to read. I wish the story would have taken itself less seriously and save us a repetition of another convoluted and forced plot. And I'm not mad that there isn't much hardcore content yet, but they could fill it with more funny and sexy scenes, make it a bit more "slice of life".

 

[Hyped]

What's grindy about MP? You literally advance from scene to scene, with some time passing in between or main "story" progression. Well, maybe except from the teacher, her progression is also pretty quick.

I'm not in the opinion that DoD was a timely work of art. I think the story was awfully convoluted, contrived and filled with pointless twists and cliches. I'm not saying that MP is better in that aspect, it's slowly becoming more similar. Instead of secret cults and dark forces, it's a secret drug and mobs. Some characters are made up from update to update with barely any introduction, like Elianna. And that indeed seems rushed and improvised.

The sandbox is pretty empty for a sandbox, and many games suffer from that recently. I guess it's become a trend lately, like open-world games. So it's hard to justify the sandbox choice for the time being.

But the game boasts much better renders and animations, they are simply superb and top most other games that are out here currently, such as Milfy City. The characters are more fun to read. I wish the story would have taken itself less seriously and save us a repetition of another convoluted and forced plot. And I'm not mad that there isn't much hardcore content yet, but they could fill it with more funny and sexy scenes, make it a bit more "slice of life".

Many here need saves and walkthroughs to unlock content. That's a certain level of grind imo.
Though I feel the systems in place, the money, the map and such were built for a much grindier system that will manifest soon.
DoD was fun, didn't seem like it was taking itself too seriously and so the quirky fantasy plot was enjoyable. This one feels too uptight.

Have to agree with you, the renders and animations are insanely good. I'm glad the dev's improved on the visual quality, despite the negative reception this game's had.

And I'm not mad that there isn't much hardcore content yet, but they could fill it with more funny and sexy scenes, make it a bit more "slice of life"

One can hope the dev's taking notes.

 

[Onysko]

Many here need saves and walkthroughs to unlock content. That's a certain level of grind imo.
Though I feel the systems in place, the money, the map and such were built for a much grindier system that will manifest soon.
DoD was fun, didn't seem like it was taking itself too seriously and so the quirky fantasy plot was enjoyable. This one feels too uptight.

I don't know... When I think of grindy games I do think about "Man of the House", "Foot of the Mountain", "My Cute Roommate" and so forth... The objectives menu is pretty clear, if I do get stuck I'll indeed use a walkthrough. For example, let me quote Sarge's great WT:

- [evening] go to your room and trigger a scene with Isabel in your car

I'm not sure if you can be more straightforward than that.

And I assume that those who ask for a save do it just to have a full gallery. There are no hidden scenes or tricky parts, really. Not even mini-games.

But yeah, the talk about paying rent in the upcoming updates is indeed a sign for a coming grind. But who knows, maybe doing these small jobs (that didn't even require anything from the player) like stealing the car, could settle that side of things surprisingly easily.

 

[desmosome]

I only played the first release so I might not have the full picture, but I think the dev just didn't evolve with the changing market. DoD was pretty great for its time. We didn't have many big games with amazing characters or story back then. DoD managed to be decent in a lot of those categories. The MC was a typical shower peeping, night molesting, juvenile twat. But the plot was centered around mind control and it was fine to have a MC like that. Tbh, that MC wasn't likable at all too but I liked the enslaving ending and thought it fit the character.

These days, you need to really step up your writing if your game isn't framed in a very specific way targeting specific fetishes. For example, if this game was framed as a drug based corruption game, it could focus on that to have an appeal to those crowds. I feel like this dev is just doing random stuff without much thought behind it. We have the typical insufferable twat of an MC in a story where some competence is expected out of him to take over the company. We have a tired and cliche of stairway to heaven in a game thats introducing some date rape drug. We have free roam in a linear VN. Everything is just wrong.

I think the biggest issue is that the dev didn't realize that good writing is something more and more players are expecting from these games. If DoD came out today with upgraded graphics, I doubt it would make the same kind of splash.

 

[Hyped]

I feel like this dev is just doing random stuff without much thought behind it.

Well said, sums it up. Think he wanted it to be a drug based corruption game, but then got scared of losing his patrons and is now buying time while he figures out a way to conclude this mess.

Feels like we've had a whole decade of lewd games since 2017 when DoD came out. I've said similar earlier in the thread, DoD if released today would struggle to get 50 patrons.

 

[CptRexx]

This game had a great start but later on it went down to hill and now it's all dusty. Gotta keep this game clean or it will get worse.

 

[Bueno]

I think the biggest issue is that the dev didn't realize that good writing is something more and more players are expecting from these games. If DoD came out today with upgraded graphics, I doubt it would make the same kind of splash.

Amen, while the graphics are spectacular the actual game play/story is cookie cutter.

 

[dkatryl]

On a more technical note, am i the only one puzzled that the dev didnt go with the standard thumbnail icons for the save slots?

I dont give 2 shits about being able to name my save files, especially since im on android and often the default keyboard doesnt hit 'enter' properly, but not having thumbnails is a weird choice.

 

[a1fox3]

I used the search for the "Walkthrough Mode" color codes mean but no dice.

Does anyone know what the colors mean. (Pink and Green). (Pink and Red.)
So far I seen "Red", "Pink" and "Green".

 

[JLoveless]

Thanks for the update

 

[LegendKing23]

I used the search for the "Walkthrough Mode" color codes mean but no dice.

Does anyone know what the colors mean. View attachment 388100 (Pink and Green). View attachment 388101 (Pink and Red.)
So far I seen "Red", "Pink" and "Green".

If i remember correctly somebody said that green was +1 karma point, pink was 0 and red was -1 karma point.

 

[ppoooors]

I only played the first release so I might not have the full picture, but I think the dev just didn't evolve with the changing market. DoD was pretty great for its time. We didn't have many big games with amazing characters or story back then. DoD managed to be decent in a lot of those categories. The MC was a typical shower peeping, night molesting, juvenile twat. But the plot was centered around mind control and it was fine to have a MC like that. Tbh, that MC wasn't likable at all too but I liked the enslaving ending and thought it fit the character.

These days, you need to really step up your writing if your game isn't framed in a very specific way targeting specific fetishes. For example, if this game was framed as a drug based corruption game, it could focus on that to have an appeal to those crowds. I feel like this dev is just doing random stuff without much thought behind it. We have the typical insufferable twat of an MC in a story where some competence is expected out of him to take over the company. We have a tired and cliche of stairway to heaven in a game thats introducing some date rape drug. We have free roam in a linear VN. Everything is just wrong.

I think the biggest issue is that the dev didn't realize that good writing is something more and more players are expecting from these games. If DoD came out today with upgraded graphics, I doubt it would make the same kind of splash.

I get what you're saying, but I'm curious as to what games do you think are doing it "right" at the moment?
Yeah mind-controlling incest stories were a thing but I can't think of another thing to have actually replaced it so...

 

[lostraven]

I think the biggest issue is that the dev didn't realize that good writing is something more and more players are expecting from these games. If DoD came out today with upgraded graphics, I doubt it would make the same kind of splash.

As an actual Dev writer for a few games, I think the expectation is huge.

Just a year or two ago, the writer was seen as secondary, if it was good, great, if not, your game could still slide through.
It's not quite the case anymore, with so many devs producing high quality competitive work, devs have really needed to step up with the story market.

People want rich complex worlds with in-depth characters, which can become quite difficult to juggle sometimes with the porn aspects they also want to see.

 

[a1fox3]

If i remember correctly somebody said that green was +1 karma point, pink was 0 and red was -1 karma point.

After getting through the first night and doing all red I have -4 bad points and doing a green playthrough I now have 4 points.

In the console it is called good_or_bad = xx.
Choosing all red looks like this good_or_bad = -4 and choosing all green looks like this good_or_bad = 4

Green is good points.
Pink is 0 points.
Red is bad points.

I guess it could be called good and bad karma.

Now the question is what are they for?
Do we need good points for the company or a mix of them?
Do we need good points for the incest or bad for incest?

 

[desmosome]

I get what you're saying, but I'm curious as to what games do you think are doing it "right" at the moment?
Yeah mind-controlling incest stories were a thing but I can't think of another thing to have actually replaced it so...

BaDIK - good writing. Good characters. Slice of life.
City of Broken Dreamers - Story driven. Good universe building. Realistic characters.
DeLuca - likable characters. Nice backstory. Competent MC.
Primal Instinct - amazing "cinematography." Interesting characters. Mysterious story brewing.
Heavy five - I'm behind on playing this game, but the first release was already real quality. The lore of the universe seen through the ship's console and things like that really add a nice touch. Character behaviors that reflects how you treat them.
Becoming a Rockstar - MC can be a douchebag, but he is generally competent and is pretty "cool." Good set of characters. The girl across the street inviting a stranger into her home to fuck her was a bit random and too unrealistic, but that scene was hot as fuck lol.

I'm sure there are other gems.

Then there are games that focus on fetishes. Japanese NTR stuff. Corruption. The Tyrant. Black/Anime Lilith games. Etc. You won't find amazing writing in most of them, but if the kinks are right for you, you can treat it as a fap game.

I will get around to playing the recent updates, but as far as I've seen MP has no identity. Incest is not even a fetish at this point. Its so overdone that it needs something extra. Maybe an interesting story developing like Primal Instinct or Love and Submission (rip). Or maybe something that just takes the depravity and dials it up like Corruption (this one is getting real old at this point though). Not for me personally, but others like a good romance involving incest. Maybe something like Dreaming of Dana - I did enjoy that one.

Anyways, basically... I think what people want these days are straight up fap games that delivers on their kinks, or a good story with atmosphere and some mystery, or amazing characters that are written intelligently. None of that "Oh my god... I'm hugging my mom and her breasts are touching me... I am a shower peeping virgin asswipe of a MC. I will molest them in their sleep for no apparant reason and build up the lust points. I am a nice guy though." What you need is realistic actions from characters if you are trying to make a serious game, or outlandish porn logic in a faptastic game. When you have retarded characters inside a game that takes itself seriously, it just becomes a pile of turd.

Adding a side note on Melody which seems to be popular but I find pretty dumb. This is a game that suffers greatly from wooden dialogue. Characters have zero personality that sets them apart. They all speak in the same monotonic, formal, robotic way. MC seems like the biggest nice guy(tm) ever. One thing this game does the best out of anything else I've tried is the outfits. Everyone has a normal wardrobe and change outfits everyday. That was so refreshing when I first played Melody.

edit: added Becoming a Rockstar. And some quips about Melody.

 

[Wallnut]

My progress is shown out of 3 and it said I was done with characters that I kept unlocking new scenes with. Like my yoga and massage for Joyce read 4/3 instead of 4/4 complete. Dunno if that is as intended